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true, the killings were known as hamidian massacres, and mostly it was centered in Sasun, Mush/Taron this is when fidayi movement started to take serious shape but in 1915, at April 24rth in Kostantinapol, Istanbul, that’s when most of the killings took place, during the course of the few days and according to some reports, Armenian dead were somewhere around 2400-5000

Azat ho Sipan@ che aper?

Sasun Jan, in my opinion ANCA is one of the, if not the most solid Armenian organization, and does a great job in every aspect and interests of Armenians around the world. I have been starch supporter of ANCA for many years now

sorry Sasun jan but this made me laugh very hard

barev u bari es yekel mer Hyeforum, Hayeren grelu hamar batsi forumum trvats "transit"-its karoghes ogthel nayev aystexits

what is a defenition of "extrem ultra Iranian Nationalism"? if it is what i think it is, then you are wishing and planting seeds for another persian empire shah tried that and he was overturned, Nasir tried, Sadam tried, Hitler tried................ so on and on, you want a secular democratic republic of Iran! dont you? I wish to have a neighbor like that

Armen I totally agree with you, but when I said it is politically correct thing to do I took into account our differences even when it comes to persuasion of the AG, sometimes I'm amazed and wonder if we ever will have a unified voice in any given question, and raising a voice to the victims of and what goes on in Sudan is a tremendous task for Armenians, I wish it was deferent, and I guess because of this psyche we paid dearly true out our history and more so ever now days. You don’t have to look further, just take a look around this forum

Armen, when our great Andranik was asked when fighting in Bulgaria against ottomans, "we know you’re Armenian General, but why are you fighting here in Bulgaria when your people need you so bad" Andranik replied "I'm Armenian yes and I'm also a solder who is fighting for all those people who are oppressed and live under ottoman yoke" Yes I agree, to say the list it’s a very politically correct thing to do,

shnorhavor taredarts@t Aneta jan, amenayn bariq em tsankanum

Skhara I really dont know this person and I cant make a judgment based just on that statment, but I strongly agree with the massege.

Racism vs. Nationalism: Controversial politician speaks out after arrest for inciting hate By Julia Hakobyan ArmeniaNow Reporter Three weeks after being released from custody an ultranationalistic Armenian politician announced that his arrest was nothing but a trumped-up charge and said he would continue his fight against “anti-Armenian” ideologists. Avetisyan: I have nothing against Jews Armen Avetisyan, leader of the Armenian Aryan Order was arrested two months ago for anti-Semitic propaganda and went on trial “for inciting ethnic, racial and religious hatred”. In a series of interviews Avetisyan blamed the country’s current hardship on Judaic-Masonic forces and made appeals to cleanse the country from Jews. (Masons is believed by some to be a powerful international net which influence the global political processes.) Avetisyan, a marginally-influential though controversial public figure, has been placed on probation and given a suspended three-year sentence. The court said it considered that he has no past criminal record, that he is a veteran of the Artsax war and that he has three underage children, in allowing his release. Neither the brief incarceration, nor the suspended sentence seem to have tempered Avetisyan’s radical positions. “The trial was a farce and the arrest was just an attempt to put pressure on me and to make me shut up,” said Avetisyan to journalists on Wednesday. “The arrest was reminiscent of Stalin’s repression of 1937, when disapproved people were taken into custody. It was not an act of justice and Jewish people had nothing to do with that. I never expressed hatred toward the entire Jeshish community in Armenia.” Avetisyan believes that the true reason for his arrest was his activity against officials whom he claims are homosexual. Last fall Avetisyan made scandalous announcements that he had videos and photographs of Armenian politicians engaged in homosexual acts. Avetisyan promised to publish the list if those politicians would not resign. (No official resigned as a result, nor were any videos released.) Avetisyan said that for now he decided not to publish the list of homosexual officials. As for his anti-Jewish announcements Avetisyan said that accusation was based on complaints not of the whole Jewish community, but one Jewish Non-Governmental Organization “Jewish Temporal Community of Armenia.” Avetisyan claims that false statements made by the organization’s leader, Rimma Varzhapetyan, caused Armenia to be criticized in an international report on ethnic tolerance. When Avetisyan was in custody Etel Markova, a Jew who attends synagogue in Armenia appeared on “ALM” TV talk show with accusations against Varzhapetyan. Markova said that Jews in Armenia were never oppressed neither by authorities nor by people and that the accusation against Avetisyan did not correspond to reality. She said she regrets that Armenia appeared in the report and stated that Varzhapetyan makes such announcements to attract more donations from Jewish communities abroad. Gersh Meir Burshtein, a Chief Rabbi of Armenia shares Markova’s opinion that there is no oppression of Jews in Armenia. The rabbi however accused Avetisyan for anti-Jewish publications, adding that the opinion of one politician is not worth accusing Armenian people of anti-Semitism. Burshtein however refused to comment on Varzhapetyan’s announcements. “The only Jewish organization, which has official status and has a right to officially represent the Jewish community in Armenia is the synagogue. As a Chief Rabbi I can say Jews enjoy tolerance in Armenia and are in better conditions than the communities in Georgia or Russia,” Burshtein told ArmeniaNow. The Rabbi said that Avetisyan’s anti-Jewish announcement was a “debut” in Armenia which had no precedents, adding however that they never applied to police. He refused to comment on whether the arrest was an appropriate punishment saying that it is not in his jurisdiction to make comments over the activity of Armenian courts. Burshtein instead accused Armenia mass-media for publishing and therefore supporting Avetisyan’s position without including comments of Armenian officials who in fact represent the position of the country. Meanwhile Avetisyan said he does not mind to meet and discuss with Jewish organizations the issues related to his announcements and accusations. “I never incite hatred and will not to any ethnic groups in Armenia. Armenia is home for all those who care for its prosperity. My fight is against Armenia’s enemies and the arrest could not make me quit my activity,” Avetisyan said. http://armenianow.com/eng/?go=pub&id=717

Tantig, here is my/our secret 1. Two times a week, we go to a nice restaurant, have a little wine, some good food and companionship. She goes Tuesdays, I go Fridays. 2. We also sleep in separate beds. Hers is in Florida and mine is in New York. 3. I take my wife everywhere, but she keeps finding her way back. 4. I asked my wife where she wanted to go for our anniversary. "Somewhere I haven't been in a long time!" she said. So I suggested the kitchen. 5. We always hold hands. If I let go, she shops. 6. She has an electric blender, electric toaster, and electric bread maker. Then she said, "There are too many gadgets, and no place to sit down!" So I bought her an electric chair. 7. My wife told me the car wasn't running well because there was water in the carburetor. I asked where the car was, she told me, "In the lake." 8. My wife is on a new diet. Coconuts and bananas. She hasn't lost weight, but BOY, can she climb a tree now! 9. She got a mudpack and looked great for two days. Then the mud fell off. 10. She ran after the garbage truck, yelling, "Am I too late for the garbage?" The driver said, "No, jump in!"

Dreamland Mosjan

EURASIA INSIGHT NAGORNO Artsax TALKS: PRELUDE TO PEACE? Samvel Martirosyan 4/12/05 Tensions between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Artsax are growing in the run-up to an upcoming summit meeting to discuss new proposals from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe for an end to the 17-year conflict over the disputed region. For the past month, skirmishes on the ceasefire line between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces have been reported almost every day. The exchange of gunfire has brought the highest casualty rate since the 1994 ceasefire agreement that ended the three-year war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the territory. In March, at least six servicemen were killed in the exchanges. Three Azerbaijani soldiers have also been taken prisoner by Armenian forces, and the Armenian defense ministry reported on April 7 that an Armenian soldier was now held by Azerbaijan. The clashes come as both sides state that they are ready to make serious compromises to resolve the conflict. Armenian Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian and Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov are scheduled to meet on April 15 in London as a precursor to a possible meeting between Armenian President Robert Kocharian and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev on the sidelines of a May 16 Council of Europe summit in Warsaw. "We have never questioned the need for compromises in the settlement of the Nagorno Artsax conflict," Armenian President Robert Kocharian was quoted as saying by the news agency Mediamax at an April 11 meeting with students at Yerevan State University. "We have to understand that compromises in the settlement are inevitable. But we had better not speak about their possible scale today." The extent of those compromises, Kocharian said, depended on Armenia’s domestic political and economic situation and the position taken by the international community on a resolution to the crisis. Azerbaijan has charged that the ruckus over the skirmishes is a negotiating tactic staged by Armenia to strengthen their position at the London meeting, as well as to shore up popular support for President Robert Kocharian’s government. "[The Armenians] have to sit at the negotiating table and have their final say," Azerbaijani Parliamentary Deputy Speaker Ziyafat Asgarov stated on April 6, the Baku-based Space TV reported. "I believe that they are trying to avoid having their say and deliberately violating the cease-fire to give the international community the impression that stability is being disrupted." Speaking at the Armenian parliament’s March 29-31 hearings on Nagorno-Artsax, Armenian Defense Minister Serge Sarkissian charged that attempts by Azerbaijani forces in the territory to take better positions had reduced the distance between Armenian and Azerbaijani troops to a mere 35-50 meters in some places. "Where do we want to lead the people, what do we want - a new war? . . . Can war last for eternity?" the Armenian news service ArmInfo quoted Sarkissian, a former commander of Armenian forces in Artsax, as saying on April 7. "This is an option too, though. [W]hen people make such a decision, then the defense minister will also have to assume this position." In Armenia, Russian news outlets have added to the tensions with reports that cite Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev as saying that "[t]he war may start at any moment." Azerbaijani media outlets have not carried the remarks. The OSCE has also expressed concern over the growing Nagorno Artsax tensions. "Aggressive statements must stop and the sides must do their best to establish an atmosphere of mutual trust," OSCE Acting Chairman and Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitri Rupel stated during a March 30 trip to Yerevan. During his stay in the Armenian capital, Rupel met with the de facto president of Nagorno Artsax, Arkadi Ghukasian, and told reporters that, despite the ceasefire violations, chances were strong that negotiations between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno Artsax would open by the end of summer. The participation of Nagorno Artsax representatives in the talks would be a first for the OSCE-brokered peace process – and a move long opposed by Azerbaijan. The OSCE appears to hold strong hopes that Baku will yield on this point. "There are some details for which solutions are impossible without the participation of Nagorno Artsax," OSCE Minsk Group Chairman Russian Ambassador Yuri Merzlyakov told the Azerbaijani news agency APA in a recent interview. Meanwhile, both sides stress that they are ready to talk peace. Sarkissian has stated that the Armenian government would agree to a referendum on the status of Nagorno-Artsax to be held in the territory under the auspices of the OSCE and United Nations, and also agree to negotiations over the status of the seven Azerbaijani regions currently occupied by Armenian forces. The defense minister presented the fact that Armenia has not to date recognized Nagorno-Artsax’s independence as a third concession made to Azerbaijan, though the chances appear to be slim that Baku would acknowledge it as such. Increasingly, Yerevan appears to be focusing its peace overtures on the seven regions bordering Artsax that are currently occupied by Armenian forces. "I think such a pragmatic approach by the Armenian side may become a pledge of success," Sarkissian told parliament. Armenia, however, he said, would not return the regions to Azerbaijan without "strict guarantees of security and non-resumption of war, guaranteed by the international community, separate countries and organizations." The statements could be seen as a quid pro quo for Azerbaijani concessions to Armenian demands on Artsax itself. Armenian Foreign Minister Vardan Oskanian has indicated that Yerevan sees the two issues as separate. "We will not concede Nagorno Karabagh; we will not concede the security of Nagorno Karabagh population; and will not admit a status of enclave for Nagorno Karabagh," Oskanian told parliament. " All this does not mean that the option territories for status cannot be discussed." Speaking at the parliamentary hearings in Yerevan, Vladimir Kazimirov, a key architect of the 1994 ceasefire and Russia’s former envoy to the OSCE Minsk Group, the body charged with overseeing the Artsax peace talks, pushed the Kocharian government to drop its traditional insistence on a package peace deal, terming the strategy "not realistic." Given differences between the two sides, he argued, a gradual approach is the only way to peace. Meanwhile, Azerbaijan has indicated that it would agree to a step-by-step withdrawal from the seven occupied territories, but cautioned that the ceasefire must hold during the talks in London. "Regular violations of the ceasefire carry the aim of increasing tensions. Armenia wants to receive [from this] a postponement [of talks], citing the tense situation. But losing time is not advantageous to either of the sides," Deputy Foreign Minister Araz Azimov was quoted as saying by the Baku-based newspaper Zerkalo on April 8. Editor’s Note: Samvel Martirosyan is a Yerevan-based journalist and political analyst. Posted April 12, 2005 © Eurasianet http://www.eurasianet.org

ehhh Gems, aghvor xosk m@ uneyir, amena lav turk@ satkatsn eh

how could I refrain my self from not comenting to your stupid remark, you know what I will refrain my self from doing it becouse I'll be much more stupid then the statment you just wrote. now get lost!

welcome to Hyeforum medya, enjoy your stay Armenian people do not consider Muslims in general as being an enamy, our strugle with Turks has very little to do with deffarance in our faith, it is important to relise Armenians found shelter in many Muslim countries, pridomenently Arab, after the Armenian Genocide. and for your question.... Ararat is located in Armenia (now in Turkey) and until early 20th century the region was populated with Armenians as well as many nationalities including Kurds

what suprised me was the language in which a PM was using, this makes me think if and worry what is the public perspective on AG, hayeren xosk m@ ga ur gseh "hoviv@ vochxaren aveli vochxar eh" so this is a perfect example

they, the Dutch, are having sex like animals in street corners and shoot smut in dining rooms, (not to mention having sex with animals) do you think we should take Holland as an example and justify the toilet being build next to Ayvazovski's statue as OK?

and this kind of statment is comming from a Turkish PM? speaking of being politicaly correct, what an idiot

shnorhavor Harut jan, amenayn bariq aper

yerp e harmar? kataknel mi koxm

de areq gnanq zonkachis tun en jamanak kimanaq Napastak@ inch hamov e, nastayashi Napastak............ mmmmmM

My thoughts exactly Dave, and Domino? he devoted so much time and effort in this, he needs a vacation to see clearly. Fade jan this one is for you, "things are not what they are, but what they appear to be" and this line has proven me to so correct true out my life it almost became a religion, we never know what tomorrow will bring, just keep on the fight and there is an old saying among as Armenians "Gegh vor kangni, geran kkotri" which translates something like, if a village stands up they can break the log For this reason I hope and wish Domino is wrong.

I just hope I'll be around when that day comes and remind you of the sad face you displayed today Domino jan