Lev7

not the ones during presidential flights

Fixed the image. Was too large and in BMP format. --Sip

ZHANNA, you make very good points. But remember that strong emotions never bring to anything good in this world and especially in politics, coming from the fact that you wanted to become a politician. When we say "love your enemy", we do not mean literally love it. What we mean is that keep your neighbors close, but enemies closer. Hatred and anger just brings more violence and does not accomplish anything. I mean look at those Turkish diplomats killed by Armenians, mostly belonging to the ASALA organization. What did this accomplish??? NOTHING but more hate and it gave reasons for the Turks to say that, hey look what Armenians are doing to us, so we weren't the ones killing them in the first place. We have to approach the issue of the Genocide diplomatically and not with full of emotions. As far as the land issue is concerned, in no feasible ways we can ever get our ancestral lands back. Only way we can get our hands on those lands if WW III occurs and Turkey suffers great loses or some kind of a miracle happens. As for Turks, they are just brainwashed by their government. Like we are raised by constantly being reminded of the Genocide, they are raised to deny that it ever happened. We have to fight the Turkish government and not its brainwashed people. And we are not cowards, we just can't effectively unite and cooperate with each other. That is our biggest loss as compared with the Jews. And did I forget to mention jeolousy But I like your spirit, the Armenian community needs people like you

Always love your enemy. This way you do more harm than by hating your enemy. When we hate our enemy we become the very thing we hate. We become an enemy too!

Well I am sure if anybody lived there during the early 90's would understand why so many people left Armenia. I left Armenia in 1995 and experienced living without any heat in the house, getting one hour of electricity per day, standing in line for 4 hours to buy a small piece of bread and carrying a 9mm with me so hungry dogs would not eat me alive on the dark streets of Yerevan or in case somebody robbed me on the street. Now, that the situation got better a tiny bit, at least the people get electricity 24 hours a day , still it is impossible for a family to survive on a regular salary. My father worked in the Institute of Physiology, which had an astonishing reputation in the Ex-Soviet Union and around the world. Now, if I don't send him money, he will basically starve to death with his 15,000 dram salary ($25 per month). So nobody should criticize the people who are leaving Armenia for a better life. And the people who do not agree with me, should go and live in Armenia.

quote:Originally posted by Rouben Malayan:Man, this is a joke, I did not expect you'd take it seriously you got me going there, hehe

quote:Originally posted by Rouben Malayan:After the Turkish Parliament voted to disallow American troops in Turkey for an Iraq war, Turkish prime minister Bulent Ecevit phoned President George W Bush: "I had a dream about the United States" he said. "I could see the whole country, and over every building and home was a banner," said Ecevit. "What was on the banner?" asked Mr. Bush. "Long live Turkish-American friendship." answered the Turkish prime minister. "I'm so glad you called" said President Bush. "I, too, had a dream. In my dream, I saw Turkey and it was more beautiful than ever; totally rebuilt with many tall, gleaming office buildings, large residential subdivisions with swimming pools in every yard; and over every building and home was a big, beautiful banner." "What did the banner say?" Asked Mr. Ecevit. "I don't know," answered the president, "I can't read Armenian." Rouben, did Pres. Bush really say that????

http://www.TurkishDailyNews.com

I don't know how true is this, but kind of interesting article: "According to the information that the newspaper got, U.S. President George W. Bush told Foreign Minister Yasar Yakis and State Minister Ali Babacan during their meeting in Washington, "gentlemen, there is nothing for you to do in the United States. Return to your country and pass this motion from your parliament. Any ally has not caused us a lot of tiring effort like you." According to information, Bush gave these messages: "1-We understand Turkey's concerns. And we take this into consideration while we are taking actions. If we don't receive the support we expect from Turkey, we totally act together with groups in Northern Iraq. 2-If we don't cooperate, the IMF, World Bank and World Trade Organization give you the cold-shoulder. And after such a stage, it won't be beneficial for you to come to us or try to correct the situation. 3-You are aware of the place of Armenian bills in the U.S. states. However, submission of one of them to the House of Representatives may be in question. Lobbies are waiting eagerly for this."

and Turkey wants to join the EU, unbelievable.

So are there any of you following the elections in Armenia? Armenian presidential poll goes to second round "YEREVAN, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Armenian authorities declared a second round ballot in elections for president on Thursday after incumbent President Robert Kocharyan failed by a whisker to win re-election outright in the first round of voting. "Kocharyan polled 49.8 per cent and this means we are going into a second round," Central Election Commission chief Artak Sagradyan told state television. Kocharyan, seeking a second five-year term in the landlocked former Soviet republic, needed to clear 50 per cent of the vote to win outright. Sagradyan, quoting preliminary information, said Kocharyan would face Stepan Demirchyan, who polled 27.7 per cent of the vote, in the run-off. Demirchyan is the son of Armenia's Soviet-era leader."

We have lots of reasons to unite; First is the recognition of the 1915 Genocide. Second is to improve the economy and living conditions of the Republic of Armenia. And the third is to show our Turkish and Azeri neighbors, that we survived and are prospering even though they repressed our people and created a blockade for so many years.

What is this conversation about who owns Armenia or who are "real" Armenians and who are not? All Armenians, Eastern and Western are one. Armenia is owned by no one, it belongs to the Armenians all around the world. Instead of naming names and separating Armenians into groups we should unite. I think every Armenian has an obligation to help the Republic of Armenia in some way, it is the only small portion of land we have left and we have to preserve it in every way we can ! [ January 30, 2003, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: Lev7 ]

quote:Originally posted by hyebruin:

quote:Originally posted by vava:Barev Lev7, There's also another thread on Samuel Weems here. Welcome to HyeForum! Thanks vava [ January 30, 2003, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Lev7 ]

I am sure many heard of his books. One is called "ARMENIA--SECRETS OF A "CHRISTIAN" TERRORIST STATE--THE ARMENIAN GREAT DECEPTION SERIES." In the book he refers to Armenians as "gang of thieves" who waste American tax money and use it for terrorist goals. Here is a link to his page: http://www.stjohnpress.com/ I sent the St. John's Press an email complaining that they are publishing this book, where racial statements are made against Armenians. They posted my email on www.turkishforum.com and next day I received about 10-15 emails from Turkish and Azeri people. I shutted some of them, but If any of you wants to help me let me know. Here is one email sent by Venera Gurbanova (Azeri woman): "While you think your stinky armenian lobby is doing smth to make a good image of u --asses--, not everyone believes you. I guess your hardly gathered audience is taking a nap when you speak about some bullshit. We are, in our turn, getting more active and as I said earlier, be aware of that day when we will poke a stick into your butts that you will never forget, you will get down to your knees and kiss our butts as you always used to do and beg us not to cut your ears that our brother Turks did with your bastard andranik. I guess you folks forgot about it! Must be painful ha? That day is coming soon!!!!!!!!!" [ January 30, 2003, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: Lev7 ]