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Rest in Peace, Dear Flora!!!!!! People's Artist of the Republic of Armenia Flora Martirosyan passed away http://armenpress.am/static/news/b/2012/11/699997.jpg14:52, 20 November, 2012 YEREVAN, NOVEMBER 20, ARMENPRESS. People's Artist of the Republic of Armenia Flora Martirosyan died in the United States of America. The reason of the death was the difficulties, that arouse after her gall-bladder was operated on. As reports "Armnepress" the Public Television of Armenia published this news. Flora Martirosyan was the founder of the International Musical School after Komitas, "Artists for Peace" Charity Organization and the initiator of the cultural movement "Never Again". Flora Martirosyan was born in Gyumri on February 5, 1957. The Editorial Staff of "Armenpress" present the condolences to the family and relatives of the singer.

Aysor, ArmeniaOct 2 2018 Eiffel Tower illuminated in Golden color in honor of French-Armenian singer Charles Aznavour (video) Read Aysor.am inTelegram The Eiffel Tower was illuminated in golden color in the honor of legendary French-Armenian singer Charles Aznavour, who died earlier on October 1 aged 94 in France. Le Parisien posted a video on its Facebook page showing the tower. Charles Aznavour’s music was played in the area. https://www.aysor.am/en/news/2018/10/02/eiffel-tower/1471944

Aysor, ArmeniaOct 1 2018 Charles Aznavour’s funeral day to be declared mourning day in Armenia On the day of funeral of the legendary French-Armenian singer will be declared mourning day in Armenia, Armenia’s Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan told the reporters at the memorial service conducted in Aznavour Square in Yerevan today. “His visit was planned to Armenia in the sidelines of Francophone summit, but unfortunately it will not take place,” the PM said. Pashinyan said that Charles Aznavour will remain a great singer and national hero in the hearts of all. “He will always have his place in the world art,” he said. Chansonnier Aznavour will more probably be buried in Montfort Community cemetery, not far from Paris. According to French media, Aznavour wished to be buried there. https://www.aysor.am/en/news/2018/10/01/mourning-day/1471885

Mt NEMRUT & it's WONDERS http://www.adiyamanli.org/nemrut_pics/resim-nemrut_big.jpg did some serch on the web on Mt Nemrut most all of the info is "FILTERED" http://www.adiyamanli.org/nemrut_pics/resim-nemrut3_big.jpg my question is are the God’s in the picture Armenian God’s or have become Armenian God’s in any point of time The statues represent , Apollo, Fortuna, Heracles and Zeus at oen point Nemrut was in Armenia http://www.adiyamanli.org/nemrut_pics/mt_nemrut_100BC_big.jpg or "next" to ARmenia

News.am, ArmeniaDec 23 2017 Newspaper: PM Kvirikashvili statement on Armenia causes uproar in Georgia, Azerbaijan11:11, 23.12.2017 YEREVAN. – Friday’s statement by Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Kvirikashvili has caused quite a stir in both Georgia and Azerbaijan, according to Zhamanak (Time) newspaper of Armenia. “Kvirikashvili had stated that in force majeure situations, Armenia can make use of the transport corridors of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. “The Upper Lars checkpoint, which links Armenia to Russia, is often closed, which is due to weather conditions when, in the winter months, the road leading to the checkpoint is [often] closed because of snowfall, and in the spring and even in the summer, it [frequently] collapses [because of] floods. “If this statement is carried out and Armenia is able to be linked to Russia via the Roki Tunnel and the Abkhazian railway, Armenia’s economic blockade, initiated by Azerbaijan for 25 years, can be considered eliminated,” wrote Zhamanak. https://news.am/eng/news/428018.html

Dear Arpa - I would extend the apologies, however, I can't get in touch with him either... His phone has been off for a while... I don't even know if he is here in Armenia or back there in the US... anyhow I saw the post about the Raffi issue I might later on comment on that as well!

Dear Ashot, It is so good to see again. Please extend my apologies to our friend Aratta. We miss him. Even though I apologized for having caused merging his threads. Please bring him back. We have so enjoyed his contibutions, except, of course his obsession with the hrya lobby. Screw the hryas. Let's talk about ourselves. How about we talk sbout the likes of Raffi. I saw somewhere that an idiotic linguist/mingist monkey had suggested that Raffi had adopted his penname from "rabbi". How much more rabbish/rubbish can we hsve?

IMAGINE...http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk85/ashot2oo1/Hay_Astvacnersm.gif

Armenian History Video Nemrut Part 01 Armenian History Video Nemrut Part 02 Armenian History Video Nemrut Part 03

Մի ժամանակ որոշել էի շախմատի քարեր պարտաստել, հիմնվելով այս քանդակներին։ Թագավորին քանդակելուց հետո հասկացա, որ շախմատը այնքան լուրջ է, որքան այս պատմական հուշարձանը… ու դադարեեցի քանդակելը։ Կիսատ գործ http://gevorgian.com/proof/carving_11-14-05/images/DSCN2619.jpg

Youe mean this Nemrut? I was searching with another purpose when I came across; Խաչիկ Դաշտենց ՌԱՆՉՊԱՐՆԵՐԻ ԿԱՆՉԸ ՆԵՄՐՈԻԹԻ ՎՐԱ Սողորդը Նեմրութ լեռան բարձրադիր լանջին էր։ Գտա իմ որոնած տունը և դուռը ծեծեցի։ — Ու՞մ ես փնտրում, — հարցրին։ — Աղբյուր Սերոբին։ — Դու սար պիտի երթաս, — ասացին։ — Ինքն էլ, Աղբյուր Սոսեն էլ սարն են See the rest here; http://armenianhouse.org/dashtents/novels-.../chapter12.html

'do we Armenian have anything to show them wrong??' Mech@ pogh chka MosJan.Aysnuyn antarberutyan masin der jamankin Raffin ira (yete chem sxalvum) innerord hatori mej a xosum. I tarberutyun avagneri, hatkapes spyurqum medzacogh es nor serud@ inqnajanchogutyun@ u inqnahastatman pasti araj kangnelov stipvats prptumnerov a zbagvum. Dardzel a jamanaki hramayakan@ vor ancyali bac toghats@ esor inch vor dzevov lracvi...

The Kingdom of Commagene, as well as it's predecessor Sophene is indeed an integral part of Armenian history. The first region to be exposed to Hellenization during the Alexandrian invasion, Sophene(Commagene was part of it at this time) was a province of Armenia, until detached by Seleucids and forming a seperate kingdom whose rulers . The rulers were of Orontid extraction. Later commagene was too detached and formed into a seperate kingdom c. 160 B.C. - rulers were orontid too. Antiochos was of Orontid extraction, and his artwork is of Armenian artistic origin. The Armenian Tiara he wore was and still is unique to Armenia. HE may have done this as a suzerain of tigranes, or just because he was Armenian. Commagene remained Armenian ethnically and linguistically until the end of the 1st century BC when it went through Hellenization. Even after that, they continued to use the Armenian tiara on their coinage up till the end in the 70's AD. Nercessian says the Armenian tiara may have been adopted by the Armenian rulers not only as a distinct type of dress, but also to be something common Armenians wore and could relate to, suggesting the tiara was not exclusively Royal. For more on topic see: Toumanoff, Cyril(1963) Studies in Christian Caucasian History, Georgetown University Press Bedoukian, Paul (1985). Coinage of the Armenia Kingdoms of Sophene and Commagene. Los Angeles: Armenian Numismatic Society, ISBN 0960684239. (This one is on google books: Chahin, Mark (2001). The Kingdom of Armenia. Routlege. ISBN 0700714529. ) (This too Wolfgang Haase, Hildegard Temporini (1986). Aufstieg und Niedergang der römischen Welt. Walter de Gruyter, ISBN 3110073374. ) Also see YT Nercessian - Armenian Coins and Their Values, and Armenian Numismatic Studies by same author for important article discussing Armenian tiara connection. For their coins(Sophene and Commagene) see: http://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=2602 Pay attention to numerous ARMENIAN Tiaras on Commagenian coins

By the way, he has a TV show, now online, at http://www.louysworld.com

Հայի առաքելութիւն՝ կարգաւորել յարաբերանքը արեւելքի եւ արեւմուտքի միջեւ: Պատկեր առաջին. «Սիրելի պարսիկ՝ մենք լաւ ենք իրար հետ, խեթ աչքով մի նայիր ինձ, երբ յոյների հետ բարեկամանամ»: Պատկեր երրորդ. «Յոյն ջան, ախր մենք հնուց բարեկամներ եղել ենք, խնդրեմ հասկացիր. պարսիկների հետ խնամիական կապեր ունենք, գէշ աչքով մի նայիր մեզ»:

http://www.adiyamanli.org/nemrut_pics/pic6.jpg http://www.galen-frysinger.com/turkey/nemrut01.jpg http://www3.utsidan.se/corax-e/photos%20murphy/roman.JPG

well, the funny part is that the land around Nemrut Sar was always Armenian.first it was the land of the proto-armenian speaking tribes, then Armenian kingdom or Armenian nahararutyun.But always Armenian.Who else could build that:) And who else could put Aramazd with Hercules BTW Nemrut Sar is mentioned in many Armenian myths.Sasuntsi David, for example

Yes, dear Hellektor. We cannot dig into the past in so called hostile lands. What is our excuse to not dig in such “friendly” lands as Iran to see where and what AVARAYR is?

For me, the first time I saw the pictures of the statues, I couldn’t help feeling that they were Armenian. I think it’s more because of the crowns. I haven’t seen any Roman, Persian or Macedonian crowns that look anything like those of the statues. The Assyrian crown looks a bit like the Armenian but not quite. Then there’s the eagle that also looks like an Armenian eagle. Before some users/abusers spew their hate comments, I’m talking about the feel of the statues to me. I had no idea of the location, history and even the age of those when I saw the photos for the very first time as a kid. At the same age I was completely aware of what Greek or Roman statues looked like, not only because of history books or TV but because we went on a tour to Europe when I was eleven and I would tire my parents visiting Louvres, Vatican, Borghese, British, etc., museums. I just didn’t want to leave… ***** Thank you for your trust Four o Four. I’m not really that knowledgeable but I can tell you this: Some years ago there were a couple of lectures about Commagene in an Armenian center here in Tehran. One important thing that came up was that we (Armenians) were not that concerned with doing research about Armenian heritage. Of course, the region being under Turkish occupation it’s not that easy, if not impossible for Armenian historians, archaeologists, etc. to conduct research on the site. On the other hand who is going to finance such research? Don’t you see similarities in this case with Urartu? Again, we see the statues and the whole history of Commagene is simplified into Mount Nemrut. Historically, the little that I know tells me that in the time of the kingdom of Van (Urartu) and their wars with the Assyrians, Commagene always stood besides and sought the protection of the Armenians. This is long before the invasions of Alexander the Faggot and the fall of the Achaemenid Empire that brought the Seleucids to power and started the so-called Hellenistic period of the region. In the Achaemenid times when Armenia was under their rule, Commagene was a part of the Armenian administration (Satrap), later a part of Yervanduni kingdom by uniting with Ծոփք. Then enter the Seleucids. Also at those lectures, we saw a documentary about Commagene that stated they pushed Marcus Antonius’ army away. According to these facts Commage cannot be Assyrian, Persian, Greek or Roman. The Hitite Empire was also long gone. From Robert Bedrossians website: PTOLEMAEUS, ruling c. 170, independent ruler c. 163-c. 130 B.C. SAMUS II THEOSEBES DIKAIOS, c. 130-c. 100 MITHRIDATES I CALLINICUS, c. 100-c. 70 ANTIOCHUS I THEOS c. 70-c. 35 This Ptolemaeus apparently reestablished the independence of Commagene. Later in times of Tigran it became a part of the Armenian kingdom and after Ardavazd II a part of the Roman Empire’s Assyrian administration. Much later, in the Middle Ages, again part of Armenian dukedoms and later close to the Cilician kingdom. What’s sure, is that the population must have had a considerable Armenian and Assyrian proportion and this is what counts. Commagene being a part of today’s Malatia, these people were destroyed during the Genocide of the last century which put an end to all that history and cultural heritage. Also check this page and scroll down for "Armenian Kingdom of Commagene". This website doesn’t seem to be Armenian.

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mersi for the link Mos jan. i too like to read about nemrut.

Watched the show. Very interesting. Always wanted to see Artak. He has good points.The only thing is politics is not his thing. But I really liked his explanation of issues from esoteric, mythological and historical points of view. Nice combination. And I am really proud and happy that current historians in Armenia have such liberal approach to their profession. I mean they do not stay in margins made by other historians and they do their own researches including researches in occult and other esoteric sciences. The other guy Stepan Kiremidjian. Oh god. I think he is an idiot and he shouldn't be there and talk and host a show like that. The guy was very unethical and unarticulated. Absolutely no background of what he is doing and talking about. P.S. I think this thread should be under Mythology section.

Follow the link and watch the live show with Artak Movsesian December 14, 2006 http://louysworld.com/archiv.htm

Is this place still intact? It looks awesome. I would definitely like to visit it one day.

http://www.adiyamanli.org/nemrut_pics/resim-nemrut_big.jpg WOW! Cool image!!

Beautifull pictures MosJan. I love the Lion and the Eagle. Here is a book I came about when searching "Urartu" on Amazon.com. Pheonix:The Peoples of the Hills: Ancient Ararat and the Caucasus It is general, but as you can see the heads of 2 Nemrut gods are on the cover, so I'm geussing it's a good read on the subject.

Go to Armenian Highland, there's info on Nemrut in one of the pages for Tigran the Great.

Commagene was an Armenian Kingdom along with Sophene so everything in there is naturally Armenian. The map shows it when it was a Roman province. The Gods are Hellenistic (not Hellenic), a fusion of Aegean, Anatolian and Iranic deities. Antiochus I Theos( half Seleucid) founded Nemrut Dağ.

Who knows why Charents writes the following lines in Yes Im Anush Hayastani? "Inchpes anhas parki jampa, Yes im Masis Sarn em siroum"

Sun-flavored Speech List Poems I love my sweet Armenia's sun-flavored speech, I love the plaintive musings of our ancient saz, The crimson flowers, the burning fragrance of roses, And the tender-bodies dance of the Nairean girls I love. I love our evening dark sky, the transparent water, the flashing lake, The summer sun, and the winter's dragon hissing a grand blizzard, The forbidding black walls of huts, lost in the night, And the stones of a thousand years and ancient towns. Wherever I may be, I won't forget our songs of sorrow, Nor forget our metal-graved books, now prayers to us, However deeply our bloody suffering probes my heart, I shall yet love my wounded, orphaned sweet Armenia. My heart shall long to know no other tale: Naregatsi, Kouchag - who now possesses their haloed brows? Roam round the world, you'll not find a peak white as Ararat; As the path of glory is endless, so is my love for the Massis mountain.

minor cleaning done, the cooling down is encouraging and welcome

guys please, leave this thread in topic, lets see how much he know of Armenian genetics...

Elbayr, go do your homework. Your answer is wrong. So I shall not take you seriously afterall.

First off take a chill pill alright, Second don't ever talk smack about hayastansis obviously you don't understand hayastansis are from hayastan...

For your information, Armenians DID originate from Armenia.. I highly doubt you're an Armenian anyway... and if you are, it's such a shame really..

Stromy, How did you know

LOL - I guess I really never thought of this baby making process when I was a kid, and I cant remmember how I found out. But I do remmember my parents telling me that if I wanted a brother or a sister (Im an only child), they could get me one from the MARKET! - LMAO!

quote:Originally posted by hyebruin:I thought somehow contact must, MUST play some kind of role: so I thought people hold hands Don't worry, I didn't know they had to "move" until I was 14. Until then I thought man on top and inside was enough. Actually, it was only after my brother and his friend taught my best friend and I about orgies with Barbies (we were 7!), we thought lying in bed naked next to each other was enough. I still can't believe my parents tried to convince me that I was found in a bag of sugar that they bought at the market! I never bought that story, but they continued insisting on it. Maybe if they had said a bag of pepper, I would've believed them... One time my brother hit me and told me to shut up in the car when I was like 5 or 6 after I'd said:"I can have babies and you can't!". My mom was forced to pull over and seperate us. It took him years to forgive me for that, and my parents for making a boy out of him.

quote:I think there can be different interpretations to the Icarus storyNo, I believe there is only one as in the Tower of Babel, the failure of Man-God. This does not mean we should be opposed to scientific development. However, we should condemn science as the religion of "progress" and the arrogance of man that follows from it. Science is just a tool and nothing more. Science is not intelligence. Pieter Brueghel's symbolic illustration of The Fall of Icarus: http://www.urtonart.com/history/Renaissance/BrueghelIcarus.jpg

quote:Originally posted by Sip:But in all seriousness, it's very sad to hear of such a loss. Not only the human lives, but also the fact that the shuttle is by far the most complex "object" ever engineered by humans up to now. I am sure future generations will look back in amazement at this awesome human achievement, much like we admire the pyramids of the ancient egyptians. Sip I think in the future we will see more sophisticated flying objects. “ and they will even reach the stars”

quote:Originally posted by vava: quote:Originally posted by THOTH:...however with nothing but possibilities before us - the future for us to make - etc - I find this a very exciting concept - but one that implies much more responsibility and caring for our environment and our future - the future of reality as we know it. It is up to us what we achieve and how we care for what is available for our use. I think I agree with Thoth, at least the part quoted above... While Icarus flew to close to the sun, melted the wax on his wings and ended up dropping into the sea to drown, Daedalus actually succeeded in his flight. It is up to us to choose the wise path, and not 'fly too close' to the proverbial sun. Yes, THAT was the moral of the story.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH:...however with nothing but possibilities before us - the future for us to make - etc - I find this a very exciting concept - but one that implies much more responsibility and caring for our environment and our future - the future of reality as we know it. It is up to us what we achieve and how we care for what is available for our use. I think I agree with Thoth, at least the part quoted above... While Icarus flew to close to the sun, melted the wax on his wings and ended up dropping into the sea to drown, Daedalus actually succeeded in his flight. It is up to us to choose the wise path, and not 'fly too close' to the proverbial sun.

quote:Originally posted by highflyer:... If GOD had wanted us to fly we would be born with feathers like the birds. Do you brush your teeth?Do you floss? Do you use toilet paper? Do you drive? Do you cook your food? Do you cut your hair? Do you trim your nails? Do you take drugs when your head hurts or you have a cold? Do you use a computer? (don't answer, I already know) Do you use ? I could go on and on but following your logic, don't you think if god intended us to do ANYTHING, he or she would have made us be born with the proper tools? So wouldn't you then agree, that following your logic, using ANY tool is against the will of God?

He gave us these powerful minds and look at the crap that we come up with.Our powerful minds allow us to poison the world we live in to go and look for a more suitable world.Is that really power or stupidity.Remember Icarus and the wax wings.

This is not ment to be sarcastic or sadistic.But if GOD had wanted us to fly we would be born with feathers like the birds.Yes this is very sad but the chances these people took was clear in their minds.So I look at this as a very brave act of mankind.I personally would not go to a place without air or water or any of the things that keep us alive.VERY BRAVE PEOPLE!!!!!