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Jesus said matthew 10:38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. pick up your cross and follow him. It means to pick-up your cross of suffering, I am not saying, go and kill yourself, what I am saying is to keep our faith and traditions regardless of suffering.

Sip here is a quote from john chapt 8:56-59 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad." "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. Jesus is God according to The Armenian church and the Bible. here is a quote from Philipians chapter 2 6Who, being in very nature[1] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature[2] of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross! 9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. BY the way noah was before Abraham.

America hye, There is nothing wrong with being a vegatarian. The Bible doesn't teach to be a vegaterian, especialy not the way you are keeping it. John the baptist ate only locust and honey, Jesus caught fish,jesus was even the one that provided the ram for Abraham to sacrafice. it's all over the Bible. If you read romans 14:1 "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him." I have a Chinese employee who looks twenty years younger and he eats things like ducks' feet, eggs that are partialy hatched. I'm a vegan only during lent, also i don't eat meat on wed and fridays(fish is ok) i don't think it's healthy not to eat meat or drink milk. do you have infants and would you give them milk? ' 4Who

Some people like MJ make it seem that we should start another church because there are corruptions. One person (Azat) says church is all about money. at least go during the blessing of the grapes you get free grapes. I thing we have to pay for special events but i agree that it's overdone at some churches. The Church is not just about interpreting the scripture, it’s about badarak and recieving Christ body and blood in communion.

MJ Why are you judging ?I've read the bible many times. Iquoted 1Tim3:15 explain who is the Pillar is it a book or a church? when i ask you where did you get your defenition of a church ?you apearently just heared someone say when two or three are gathered in my name, and you are repeating them and you are building doctorine on it. How would you know if you understand the bible right? there are 33000 churches that say they believe the bible and yet disagree on major issues. you should understand history you'll see that you have new teachings that were never taught by any church for 1500years I'm simply holding on to the faith that was passed on by jesus to the disciples to the armenians. Most people that judge the Armenian Church is because they don't understand it.

mj quote in black arad in red Jesus Christ has not established an Armenian Church or Russian Church or Georgian Church or a Greek one. The scripture clearly says that Christ has established His Church: are you saying that Jesus didn’t establish the Armenian Church? "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” [Matthew 16:13-20] did Satan overpower the church? Therefore there should exist only one Church which should be called Christ’s Church. Don’t you agree to hold on to things that Christ past on to the Church and not add new teachings? The Armenian Church is not an authority for “Doctrinal” teachings – there are not even 5 clergy in what is called Armenian Church who are qualified to teach anything other than how to make money. Christianity is not about “Doctrines” but about the faith in Jesus Christ being the leaving Son of God and the Savor – something that is missing in the Armenian Church overall. Doctrines belong to Ministries of Foreign Affairs and so on but not to Churches. You seem pretty hostile against your mother church. I know it’s not as simple as you try to make it when you say just believe that means different thing to different people. For example there are people who believe but don’t believe Jesus is God, there are people that say you have to speak in tongues to be saved, there are people that say once saved always saved I could keep going these are major issues. Essential issues There is no need to interpret the New Testament - it is very clear. What needs to be done by the so-called Christians is to live by it and not to turn it into a cheap tool of propaganda, into a xenophobic “Doctrine,” money-making machine, tool for the enslavement for an entire people, etc, while driving Christ out. Also, Christ has not appointed anyone as the “head” of the Church and has clearly assigned only Himself on such capacity. Moreover, Christ has defined the Church as a gathering of three people who speak in His name. Can you show us where you got that? I don’t believe that you can that is what I meant by coming up with new teaching that were never taught by any church for 1500 years and Jesus according to the verse you quoted can’t overthrow the church. Therefore, He has sanctioned not just “33,000 different Protestant Churches” but up to two billion Churches (assuming that there are 6 billion people on the earth.) So has traditionally been the structure of the Armenian Church, btw. Catholicos has been a symbolic figure with no executive power. Each patriarchates remains as an autonomous entity even to this day. However, executive power has been exerciseded by the Catholicos since the times of Russian colonization and with the help of the Russian government. Again you are building on a lie that you heard nowhere it says the church is where two or three are gathered. Furthermore, Armenian Church has always been the instrument of foreign powers (invaders of Armenia) and has been a political rather than a spiritual establishment. These days it also has a socio-cultural significance. To this day, the Armenian Church serves foreign powers rather than the Good Lord, while the head of the Armenian Church is a well recognized criminal and Mafioso instilled on the throne by a well-known Armenian philanthropist. The Armenian Church is all about God. But you can’t understand. I don’t have a problem with reforming the church but when people who are trying to change the teachings and the traditions then this is why this whole discussion started Marten Luther was a man like you. When the roman catholic church didn’t fit his teaching he protested and used the excuse that the Church leaders were corrupt so he started his own new teachings that were never taught by any church, here you are a convert to that religion. Apperently you don’t understand what the armenian church is and The Armenian Church has not been there before we had Bible. I assume you are referring to the Armenian translation of the Bible. Prior to Mashtots, Syriaic version of the Bible has been used in the Armenian Church. The Old Testament has been finalized sometime around the 400 B.C. while the New Testament has been finalized at about or before 70 A.D (my dates may be somewhat off.) The Armenian Church as we know it has been established some time between 270A.D. to 315A.D. (the referenced dates are approximate.) And it is nothing but a heresy to call it “Lusavorchagan Church.” I’m referring to the books of the bible were not canonized until around 400ad otherwise nobody new which books belong in the bible until around 400ad, and it was through church councils that we know what is the bible. The only measure for “true teachings” is the Bible itself. well then I guess no one had true teaching until the church decided which books belong in the bible according to you. Your quote from Timothy 3:15 doesn’t serve you well. In fact it points to the leaving God as the owner of the Church. It was the church that is the pillar for truth not a book since the early church teaching were passed on by Jesus orally. Jesus didn’t write a book to the disciples. We in the Armenian church are building on the teaching of the apostles Eph2: 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone It is also clear that in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, which has been written some time prior to 63 A.D., Paul is speaking about the traditions that have existed amongst the first Christians who happed to be non-Armenians. Maybe not as a nation but we were there from the beginning. Our teaching are the same as the ones from the beginning.