MosJan Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 ERDOGAN BANNED CALLING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE "SO-CALLED" http://www.armtown.com/img/photo/pan_en_23075.jpgThe Prime Minister of Turkey Receb Tayyip Erdogan has reportedly issued a confidential decree (No. 2007-18) on July 3 banning the use of the term "sozde" (alleged or so-called in Turkish) when referring to the Armenian Genocide. The news of this "secret" directive was made public on July 19 by Turkish "Ulusal Kanal" TV and its website and reposted on several other news sites since then. Turkish denialists reacted angrily to this decree, accusing the Prime Minister of undermining their efforts against the congressional resolution on the Armenian Genocide. Turkish officials and reporters never fail to refer to the Armenian Genocide as the "so-called" or "alleged" genocide, thus casting doubt on the mass killings of Armenians by the Turkish government from 1915 to 1923. According to Erdogan's decree, henceforth the Armenian Genocide should be described in official statements and public discourse as the "events of 1915" or "Armenian allegations regarding the events of 1915". The Prime Minister's office has reportedly sent this decree to all state institutions, including all ministries, governors, mayors, universities, courts, and the General Chief of Staff. Erdogan is said to have stated in his decree that he was taking this action on the basis of a resolution adopted by the Council of Europe in February 2005. This probably is a reference to a recommendation by several Turkish non-governmental organizations in February 2005 to "cleanse Turkish textbooks of xenophobia and ultra-nationalism". The proposal was the result of a three-year study funded by the European Commission. Ulusal Kanal explained that the Council of Europe had called on Turkey to refrain from using certain disparaging words and phrases in referring to Armenians and Greeks in Turkish textbooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 ERDOGAN BANNED CALLING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE "SO-CALLED" http://www.armtown.com/img/photo/pan_en_23075.jpgThe Prime Minister of Turkey Receb Tayyip Erdogan has reportedly issued a confidential decree (No. 2007-18) on July 3 banning the use of the term "sozde" (alleged or so-called in Turkish) when referring to the Armenian Genocide. The news of this "secret" directive was made public on July 19 by Turkish "Ulusal Kanal" TV and its website and reposted on several other news sites since then. Turkish denialists reacted angrily to this decree, accusing the Prime Minister of undermining their efforts against the congressional resolution on the Armenian Genocide. Turkish officials and reporters never fail to refer to the Armenian Genocide as the "so-called" or "alleged" genocide, thus casting doubt on the mass killings of Armenians by the Turkish government from 1915 to 1923. According to Erdogan's decree, henceforth the Armenian Genocide should be described in official statements and public discourse as the "events of 1915" or "Armenian allegations regarding the events of 1915". The Prime Minister's office has reportedly sent this decree to all state institutions, including all ministries, governors, mayors, universities, courts, and the General Chief of Staff. Erdogan is said to have stated in his decree that he was taking this action on the basis of a resolution adopted by the Council of Europe in February 2005. This probably is a reference to a recommendation by several Turkish non-governmental organizations in February 2005 to "cleanse Turkish textbooks of xenophobia and ultra-nationalism". The proposal was the result of a three-year study funded by the European Commission. Ulusal Kanal explained that the Council of Europe had called on Turkey to refrain from using certain disparaging words and phrases in referring to Armenians and Greeks in Turkish textbooks. I doubt this information is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I heard about it yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 (edited) Unless this is another fairytale like this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16477&hl= There is a longer version with commentary by Harut Sassunian in his editorial on CC On Line, where he, just like I do advises a wait and see if this is another fairytale , or in the least a smoke screen, the eyes of Europe. Is this because after spending billions to lobby, repeated shuttle "diplomacy" to Washington Speaker Pelosi does not seem to be impressed or amused? ERDOGAN BANNED CALLING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE "SO-CALLED" efforts against the congressional resolution on the Armenian Genocide. Turkish officials and reporters never fail to refer to the Armenian Genocide as the "so-called" or "alleged" genocide, thus casting doubt on the mass killings of Armenians by the Turkish government from 1915 to 1923. According to Erdogan's decree, henceforth the Armenian Genocide should be described in official statements and public discourse as the "events of 1915" or "Armenian allegations regarding the events of 1915". The Prime Minister's office has reportedly sent this decree to all state institutions, including all ministries, governors, mayors, universities, courts, and the General Chief of Staff. Erdogan is said to have stated in his decree that he was taking this action on the basis of a resolution adopted by the Council of Europe in February 2005. This probably is a reference to a recommendation by several Turkish non-governmental organizations in February 2005 to "cleanse Turkish textbooks of xenophobia and ultra-nationalism". The proposal was the result of a three-year study funded by the Above one can see that there is very little change. Just a play on words, and very little new. This Erdogan clown is running out of code words like “ let’s open our respective archives”, “ let historians tackle the question”, “ we have offered a dialogue but Mr. Kocharian has declines”, and many more. Look above and see what the difference of “alleged” and “Armenian allegations” is. Remove “xenophobic passages from textbooks” ? , like “ermeni” is not a swear words anymore?, that “Armenians murdered 3 million turks? What else? How are they going the street talk that “Russians are the devil”, that the “Americans are gavur satans”? And others lies like “turkey is a secular democracy”? What kind of democracy? Like when the PM and the parliament are puppets in the hands of the military? Is not North Korea such a “democracy“? Or do they mean a "democracy" like US and other civilized countries where "criticizing the government and questioning ethnocentricty is a crime punishable by murder"? If he thinks we are such fools that we don't know what semantics is, then please tell tell us who the begger moron is. Edited July 24, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 In my opinion this news could be true!!!!! Their whole aim is to stop using the word "Genocide". Everytime they denied they used the term "So called Genocide" by doing so they themselves advertised the Genocide more than us. Again my opinion is they are ready to accept anything but "Genocide" because of its implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 (edited) In my opinion this news could be true!!!!! Their whole aim is to stop using the word "Genocide". Everytime they denied they used the term "So called Genocide" by doing so they themselves advertised the Genocide more than us. Again my opinion is they are ready to accept anything but "Genocide" because of its implications. Good observation. It is true that they were using the G word more than we do, no matter whether in parentheses, quoutations or a qualification. Edited July 24, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 թուրքերը Թատրոնի մեծ վարպետներ են Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 In my opinion this news could be true!!!!! Their whole aim is to stop using the word "Genocide". Everytime they denied they used the term "So called Genocide" by doing so they themselves advertised the Genocide more than us. Again my opinion is they are ready to accept anything but "Genocide" because of its implications. Yeh, I made that comment before reading the article. You are right, this can be possible because they will now avoid the word genocide all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Very interesting! Turks have learnt the art of trade after all!!! I'm sure the Turkish provinces in the Balkans would follow suit. My guess is that the Turkish government would try to trade every single bit and piece on the road to recognition from the Europeans and the Americans. The reference to the resolution of the CE is just ridiculous. In the same manner the European Parliament 20 years ago officially recognized the Genocide and what happened - NOTHING! If tomorrow Turkey decides to recognize the Genocide based on the EU Parliament resolution what will change? Think about it? What is the purpose of whole this debacle about recognition? Would they return the occupied lands? Would they pay contributions? Would they stick to their legal accords? Even if they decide to compensate the heirs of the Genocide victims, how many of you would choose to live among Turks? Can you imagine the magnitude of head aches that the Turkish government would create in the process. The only positive thing I can sense is realization of my dream - Turkey in the EU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Ankara wishes to completely withdraw term ‘genocide’ as regards 1915 events 27.07.2007 12:58 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “The purpose of the so-called “secret decree” by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is complete exclusion of term ‘genocide’ as regards of the events of 1915,” member of the ARF Dashnaktsutyun supreme body, chairman of the permanent parliamentary commission for foreign affairs Armen Rustamian told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter. This decree carries no other information, according to him. “The replacement of notions in this case doesn’t concern the essence of the issue and Turkey’s stance on the Armenian Genocide recognition,” he underscored. For his part, director of the Institute of the Armenian Genocide Hayk Demoyan told our reporter that Mr Ergodan did not sound a new idea. “It doesn’t matter how you call it. The essence doesn’t change. Generally, academicians rate non-recognition of the Armenian Genocide as bad form. This is a historical fact, however Ankara may represent it. Erdogan’s statement was meant for internal use,” Mr Demoyan said. July 3 PM Erdogan signed a secret decree forbidding to use the term “sozde” (so-called, alleged) as regards the Armenian Genocide. According to the decree, the Armenian Genocide should be henceforth represented in official documents as “events of 1915” or “Armenian claims regarding the events of 1915.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 In my opinion this news could be true!!!!! Their whole aim is to stop using the word "Genocide". Everytime they denied they used the term "So called Genocide" by doing so they themselves advertised the Genocide more than us. Again my opinion is they are ready to accept anything but "Genocide" because of its implications. Good call Yervant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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