Suphan-Sipan-Tsopq

[Sip]

The reason for the "Sip" spelling was to force the english-british types to say it correctly. I didn't want to be confused with that Peruvian thing ... isn't it pronounced S-i-pan with the 'i' and the 'a' as in "I am"? (the h after the a was to force the 'ah' sound). I like it! No one seems to spell it like I do!!!!

 

But it would be nice to be known as "Lord of Sipan" though

[Sip]

By the way, it's funny that even when I put the h after the a, a lot of people see it 'ph' in their mind and I start sounding like that contraption that flushes your toilet

[bellthecat]

But Suphan Dagi is nowhere near Sophene? Nor was Sophene in "greater Armenia". Originally an independant kingdom, it was one of the Roman protectorates in (and, later, provinces of) lesser Armenia.

[Arpa]

Ali wrote;

tb,

the only mountain name that comes to my mind that has the stress on the second syllable is süphan da?? (your sipan), and i think that is either because it has only two syllables (but then again, both agri and toros, both stressed on the first syllable, have two syllables), or because süphan is a koranic word (subhan with long a). of course, the transition from sipan to süphan probably took place during the republican period, and i would very much like to know how the locals (who are probably kurdish) call the mountain.

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Very few languages have as many sounds as the Armenian.

Among others the sounds of ds/dz as in "adze" and ts/tz as in "pits" etc. Some Turkish speaking Armenians cannot produce the sounds. They would pronounce "tasghik"(flower) as "zaghik" and would say "sav@d tanem"("let me bear your pain") instead of "tsav@d tanem". Which came first? The Armenian dzet/tset(olive oil), dziteni/tziteni (olive tree) or the Arabic/Turkish "zeit/zeitun"?

The custom seems to be reciprocal. Many words and names in the Armenian use the sound of ds-ts whose equivalents in other languages may soud as z or s.

Tsopq (some may pronounce it "dzopq", should in fact be transliterated as "tsoPHq" as it is spelled with the letter "pyur" equivalent of the Greek/Latin PH (As in pharos/paros.)

Tsopq is a region of historical Armenia, the second largest state of Greater Haik. It is bordered by Commagene in the west and Tarawn on the east. Its e-w extant is approximately from Melitene(Malatya) to Tigranakert (Dyarbakir). The Armenian appellation of the region may have derived from the Hittite Ishuva/Isua, Assyrian Sofan or the Uratuan Supani. The Latins know it by Sophananae and the Greeks call it Tsophani. The latter may be the closest to the Armenian "tsophq". The mountain named the same as the region is known as Suphan, Siphan and ultimately as the Armenian Sipana Ler (descriptive i.e. Mountain of Siphan) is sometimes aternately called Tsophq. (As hinted above, since most other languages pronounce it with F sound, i.e. PH, the correct anglification of it would rather be SiPHan and not Sipan.

 

Note: Don't let Sip see this, lest he wake up and come back from his long wanderings on the "sea".

[SAS]

Sireli Arpa,

 

isk yete "SiPHan"-@ stugabanel "seP= wedge "-ov? Che vor "sep"-n hayerenum uni nayev ccun zhayr/ler imast@: