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Posted 06 April 2004 - 12:23 AM

From Armenianow.


A few thousand demonstartors gathered in Yerevan Monday for a “meeting of constituents” to protest what they call an “illegitimate” government, and to launch a movement which their leaders say will lead to the ousting of President Robert Kocharyan and his administration.
Anti-government demonstrators are expected to repeat rallies calling for regime change.

Led by National Assemblyman and head of the National Unity Party, Artashes Geghamyan, demonstrators gathered at about 2 p.m. for the first of what is expected to be several days of protests.

And, as expected, the crowd was deterred by police corridors that blocked it from reaching the Institute of Manuscripts (Matenaderan), the common gathering point for mass meetings of political orientation. Retreating down Mashtots Avenue and collecting near Nairi Cinema, former presidential candidate Geghamyan addressed his audience from atop a car, while eggs were hurled by pro-government supporters from nearby buildings.

During the rally there were at least three reports of journalists being attacked and equipment damaged.


Police blocked the crowd's attempt to meet at the Institute of Manuscripts.
Reporter Hayk Gevorkyan of Haykakan Zhamanak (Armenian Times) had his camera broken. As Aravot (Morning) daily reporter Ana Israelyan was photographing the incident, she too was attacked and had her camera damaged.

Video cameras of Kentron and TV Alik television companies were also broken by assailants.

A bystander who tried to interfere with the attack on journalists was cut on the ear by one of the anti-protestors.

In a speech that lasted nearly two hours, Geghamyan told the Yerevan crowd about recent visits to regions where, he says, residents are eager to see a regime change in the capital. Geghamyan said Robert Kocharyan’s “illegitimate” presidency “causes Armenia’s international isolation”.

The most enthusiastic responses came when Geghamyan cited widespread social ills which, he claimed, are conditioned by the inattention of the current administration. To shouts of agreement, the parliamentarian blamed Kocharyan and Minister of Defense Serzh Sargsyan for unemployment, for malnutrition and for the increase in infectuous disease such as tuberculosis.

By early afternoon, police had set up roadblocks on major arteries into Yerevan, not allowing buses to pass, as it was expected that residents of outside regions would be brought to the rally en masse.


One man's attempt to defend a camerman led to getting his ear cut by anti-protestors.
Myasnik Grigoryan, of Shatin village of Yeghegnadzor, who says he has been unemployed for 15 years, brought with him a packet of prescriptions for his ill wife, claiming that, due to conditions created by the current administration, he has no means to fill.

“I don’t even have a penny to return to the village,” Grigoryan said. “There are thousands like me and this issue has to be solved in a more global way. Which one of us can Geghamyan help?”

Last week, Yerevan Municipality announced it would not grant permits for public gatherings by the opposition. As all leaders, however, are Members of Parliament, calling the protests a “meeting of constituents” is their way of skirting the need for city permission.

The next rally is expected to be Friday.

Edited by Vahe G., 06 April 2004 - 12:23 AM.


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Posted 06 April 2004 - 01:12 AM

unlikelly, unless a charismatic leader emerges from within the opposition and is able to unite it nothing is going to come of these protests.

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Posted 06 April 2004 - 11:55 AM

And take the president's place and start the whole circle all over again?

It's hopeless....

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Posted 06 April 2004 - 01:18 PM

I think we want no revolution in any form. The opposition has to keep the pressure continually without high emotions until Kocharian agrees for a referendum of confidence which will determine if he has to leave. Civil disobedience is a much better tool than direct confrontation - it is both non-violent and powerful at the same time. Unfortunately, our opposition has more problems than the government.

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Posted 07 April 2004 - 12:35 AM

From what I know Serge Sarkisyan the Defence Minister and Kocharyan himself have strong ties to Russia and Putin, his family, and his people and that alone gives Armenia security from the Turk's which are on their heels to attack. If Kocharyan going away puts risk of Armenia going into a conflict again I would rather see kocharyan and his corrupt government in place. I mean it would be better then the alternative. I guess we just have to wait and see how things unfold. Hopefully God will be with the Armenians and the occasional bad luck of the Armenians won't come into play and make it worse for them over there.

Edited by Vahe G., 07 April 2004 - 12:36 AM.


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Posted 07 April 2004 - 12:51 AM

The question that needs to be asked is:

Will Armenia and NKR be better off internally socio-economically, externally strategically in the world arena, in economy, and in national security when Kocharian is replaced by opposition? Or worse off with jeopardized Artsax status, undermined economy, weakened national security and same socio-economic problems except for temporary careers among oppositionists and their relatives?

My answer is worth off.

Edited by ARR, 08 April 2004 - 01:45 AM.


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Posted 07 April 2004 - 09:42 PM

Armenia needs more suicide bombers to bomb the "president". Any volunteers?

Edited by Anonymouse, 07 April 2004 - 09:42 PM.


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Posted 07 April 2004 - 10:05 PM

yes moog, maybe we can hire an Arab to do our bidding by convincing him that Kocharian is a Devil worshiper and the 70 virgins will still be waiting for him in heaven.

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 01:15 AM

QUOTE (Sasun @ Apr 6 2004, 11:18 AM)
Unfortunately, our opposition has more problems than the government.

This is clearly the case. El inch revolutioni harts ka??? Hayer@ lriv xelker@ kortsrel en. Manavand Los Angelesi hayer@. no.gif

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 01:24 AM

Amot, hazar amot bolor ayn hayerin vor hima el sksel en xosal vor Kharabaghn el mez petq chi, yev vor anpatvum en Kharabaghtsinerin. AMOT. Inchu ayskan shat atelutiun Kharabaghtsineri, Kocharyani, yev karavarutyan handdep? Chi kareli ayskan kuyr linel yev chtesnel vor kamats-kamats, teryev shat chnchin, Hayastan@ araj e gnum.

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 01:39 AM

QUOTE (Vahe G. @ Apr 5 2004, 10:23 PM)
In a speech that lasted nearly two hours, Geghamyan told the Yerevan crowd about recent visits to regions where, he says, residents are eager to see a regime change in the capital. Geghamyan said Robert Kocharyan’s “illegitimate” presidency “causes Armenia’s international isolation”.

The most enthusiastic responses came when Geghamyan cited widespread social ills which, he claimed, are conditioned by the inattention of the current administration. To shouts of agreement, the parliamentarian blamed Kocharyan and Minister of Defense Serzh Sargsyan for unemployment, for malnutrition and for the increase in infectuous disease such as tuberculosis.

Sure! Any idiot can identify problems and mistakes, but if Geghamyan wants a regime change what solutions does he offer for these problems that he so passionately talks about? He doesn't offer anything. And the crowd is so filled with hatred that they don't stop and think about the consequences of a revolution. What a pity!

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 01:54 AM

"revolution"

yerku rusner n@stats Gorku anvan aygum xosum en / mek@ asum e te yek Herapoxutyun anenq
yerkrord@ qich mtatseluts heto aknarkum " A chto yesli Pobedim" isk yete HArdenq ?? inch

hiam mern e

isk yete harden / hardenq / kam el hardi - kartsum eq vor jorovrdi yev yerkri masin e mtatselu arajin@??? chem kartsum /// voch mekn el jorovrdi masin chi mtatsy arajin@ irents tsarn en jrelu / irents Iygin tsaxkestnen / takn el te mi ban mnats / mi pshur kam pshranq et el hraparaki kentronum en kaxelu / jorovurd@ nayi yev kshtana

Vatit's e; Vatthar@ ka
ehh chgitem

Muzikant petq che politika zbarvi - et mek@ hastat


giten vor chen karror hardel / tapalel - migutse te Russ Qerrin mejq kangni irents, na el shat kaskatselii, te russ@ kangni mejq / uremn ester shat mi urish xarr e gnalu, shrjani liakatar apakayunatsum yev norits qaos.

urraki vnas en talis irenq iresnts yev jorovrdin arajin@ - xerjer@ haziv goyateum en shater@, huys unen gone hajord 3~4 amisnerin qich turistner gan ~ qich $$$ mtni shukan ~ hima el urr nayes mardiq toser@ het en talis ~ vaxenum en Hayastan gnal.
da el ir herdin en yerevi te mer herapoxakaner@ hashvi arel vro artasahmanits mardiq klinen~

Hameniyn deps der chem tesnum iyn andz@ kam andzinq vor yerkirn iyd votqi kangnetsnen. xostumnerov chi menak - xosqov te lini HAy huyyyy~ yerkir che ashx k@karutsenq.

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 01:55 AM

lseq serj sarksyani demqin yerb eq verjin angam nayel ??? iyter@ amborjovin mashvel en / cherni te da el e heroyini hovqeri tak ???

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 12:43 PM

To sum it up, Armenians are a decaying civilization.

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 04:39 PM

Have you guys lost all your hope that Armenia can become a democratic country. I haven’t. There is a huge unrealized potential in that country that goes unutilized. It’s not a matter that Kocharyan is good or bad, the question is that he is not elected, thus is an illegitimate president. Not elected officials who do not respect people’s choice are considered junta, which is what we have in Armenia now. It doesn’t matter whether the legitimacy is established through revolution, or through resignation of junta leaders, but it is imperative for the country if it wants to move forward, and become a respectful democracy. Where the journalists are not beaten up, or where the people have the freedom of assembly. Where there is an independent TV, and people are free to choose their leaders.

MosJan ochen’ oskarbitel’no kogda govorish chto radi neskol’ko dollarov, nash narod doljen’ jit’ v takix sastayaniax, nam nuzhna normal’naya strana, a ni turisticheskie dollari. We need a change of system and a firm establishment of democratic principles; otherwise there is no future to our country.

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 04:43 PM

Alpha jan du inq@t havatum es vor mek@ ka vor linelov prezident yerkir@ p@rki ??? che lurj Havatum es ???

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 06:57 PM

Axr yerkir@ umits prkel, kam el inchits MosJan. Yerkir@ prkelu karik chi zgum, ayl miayn orinavor chanaparhov @ntrvats ishxanutyun, vor@ vayeli joghovrdi vstahutyun@. Husalkvats joghovurd@ ankarogh e ardyunavet darnal, kani vor nra araj amen inch pak e. Hay mard@ Hayastanum chuni huys, nra huys@ apagayi nkatmamb korel e. Kani angam karogh e mardu @ntrutyun@ votnakox anel, anargel nra kartsik@. Yes andzamb koghmnakits em ayn ujin vorin k@ntri Hayastani Hanrapetutyan kaghakatsin, legitim yev ardar @ntrutyunneri mijotsov.

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (alpha @ Apr 8 2004, 04:39 PM)
Have you guys lost all your hope that Armenia can become a democratic country. I haven’t. There is a huge unrealized potential in that country that goes unutilized. It’s not a matter that Kocharyan is good or bad, the question is that he is not elected, thus is an illegitimate president. Not elected officials who do not respect people’s choice are considered junta, which is what we have in Armenia now. It doesn’t matter whether the legitimacy is established through revolution, or through resignation of junta leaders, but it is imperative for the country if it wants to move forward, and become a respectful democracy. Where the journalists are not beaten up, or where the people have the freedom of assembly. Where there is an independent TV, and people are free to choose their leaders.

MosJan ochen’ oskarbitel’no kogda govorish chto radi neskol’ko dollarov, nash narod doljen’ jit’ v takix sastayaniax, nam nuzhna normal’naya strana, a ni turisticheskie dollari. We need a change of system and a firm establishment of democratic principles; otherwise there is no future to our country.

"Democratic"? Ha! That's a laff. That is just a word that is used for imperialistic purposes and such. Democracy is a fallacy, much like the long cherished idea of Communism.

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 08:43 PM

Alpha, I have not lost hope although I am alarmed at the prospect of a violent confrontation tomorrow Friday.
I am not at all sure that Kocharian did not receive the majority of the votes. Sure there was a lot of fraud but not as much as to reverse the picture.

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 10:30 PM

QUOTE (alpha @ Apr 8 2004, 05:57 PM)
Axr yerkir@ umits prkel, kam el inchits MosJan. Yerkir@ prkelu karik chi zgum, ayl miayn orinavor chanaparhov @ntrvats ishxanutyun, vor@ vayeli joghovrdi vstahutyun@. Husalkvats joghovurd@ ankarogh e ardyunavet darnal, kani vor nra araj amen inch pak e. Hay mard@ Hayastanum chuni huys, nra huys@ apagayi nkatmamb korel e. Kani angam karogh e mardu @ntrutyun@ votnakox anel, anargel nra kartsik@. Yes andzamb koghmnakits em ayn ujin vorin k@ntri Hayastani Hanrapetutyan kaghakatsin, legitim yev ardar @ntrutyunneri mijotsov.

umits ??? mi shurj@t nayi / nayi nayi mi varani achq mi paki
pastoren amen inch lav e amen woq lav e batsy et mi qani rekavarnerits ???
yev iys verjineri ardar @ntrutyunerov poxarinnman depqum amen inch lav klini ???
orinavor chanaparhov @ntrvats ishxanutyun - heto ? i verjo orinavor te anirav ? da der ishxanutyun e barekam, mez ishxanutyun kam ishxanavorner petq chen, arden isk amen Hye Ishxanavor e i tsne, mard ararats e petq, vro minchev ir axpor kem hopari aygin jrel@ minchev ir bajanaxi yev zoqanchi tun@ tsaxketsnel@ qich el jorovrdi masin mtatsy, vor minch ach & dzax tallanel@, kilo ar kilo yerkir@ yev ardyunaberutyun@, hastotsner@ yev gortsaraner@ vajarel@ ~~~~~ ehh inch em yerkar barak xosum ~~~

tsankanal@ lav ban e / sakayn yerb tsankutyun@ / yerazanq@ / kamq@/ chi hamapatasxanum irakanutyan het da arden dar@ irakanutyun e,
get mek varkyan chkartses te yes roberty kam muys latsirakneri kormnakits em. drants lavi mern el enter.

Havat te huys lav ban en - yes im huys@ chem ktrel ~ sakayn - havatum em vor yerkri shat yev shat problemner jorovurd@ inq@ petqe lutsy , @esksi poxel inq@ iren, heto ir arjanin p@ntry yev kargi iren rekavar. sakayn vroqan jamanak havatov yev huysov jorovurd@ s@nnvi ?

menak chases te / Mosjan nstats taquk LA tan@ inch gites Yerevan inch a kartsum kam el Yerevantsin / Hayastantsin incha uzum kam inch e petq yerkrin.




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