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#1 Arpa

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 05:52 PM

Guess what the following is. Of course the suject topic may give it away.
I will try and translate it. In the meantime I'll let you try and see if you understand any of it.
I thin=k it hilarious as it is also delicious.

Hemince bir Temel fkras
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Yiyek hadik enger tsaxutn ive kay enu gerton. Tsaxutin keloxn ive kellin kaye genin. ad barak gelli; hemi inetsnu kuzin. Andi inetsnele erguse
uu compatsove compan inoun meg al na satarin kelxan compan inetsnoum gasa. Dain onune Temel gelli. Temele vone cedin gaba gu. "Yes hemi
asdi inetsenim" gasa. Andi engerdake compan kinun put genin martun vucude go keloxe go. "Yahu," gasin, "asu kloxe gar ta gar ta? n enik in
enik o?" Yuuts put genin "yahu," gasin, "meg erta gasa genoe harts enik balki genige kidena gu." Genoe mode gerton, "yahu," gasin, "ku martun
keloxe vaan er ta vaan er ta?" Genign a gasa. "As akvan a," gasa, "kahvalti hazrlami i," gasa, "bat marte giav ta giav o ta kidim," gasa.
Ermeni 22.11.2003 22:03 (3)


Note; We may remember when when we were talking about "gor/kor" as in "k'ertam kor/g'ertam gor'", I mentioned that Sebastatsis place the "k@/ku" after the verb as in "asem ku/ertam ku". See for yourself.

#2 Arpa

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 06:06 PM

Hint!!

It is Hamshen Hayeren

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 06:46 PM

OK! LEt me give a try. Just few words, I may try to decipher more later, since there is many words that can mean many things here, knowing what is the prime subject of the conversation here may help.

BTW: I'm not sure what I did is right.


Yiyek hadik enger tsaxutn ive kay enu gerton.

Yiyek = Yelek
enger = @nger
gerton = gertan


Tsaxutin keloxn ive kellin kaye genin.

genin = ginin

ad barak gelli; hemi inetsnu kuzin.

ad barak = chad parag
hemi = hima
kuzin = gouzen

Andi inetsnele erguse uu compatsove compan inoun meg al na satarin kelxan compan inetsnoum gasa.

meg = meg
gasa = g@s

Dain onune Temel gelli.

onune = ounin

Temele vone cedin gaba gu.

gu = kou

"Yes hemi asdi inetsenim" gasa.

Yes hema = yes hima
asdi = ayt dghn ?

Andi engerdake compan kinun put genin martun vucude go keloxe go.

Andi = ayn dghn?
genin = ginin(or may be G@nn)
martun = martoun

"Yahu," gasin, "asu kloxe gar ta gar ta? n enik in enik o?" Yuuts put genin "yahu," gasin, "meg erta gasa genoe harts enik balki genige kidena gu."

gasin = g@sn

Genoe mode gerton, "yahu," gasin, "ku martun
keloxe vaan er ta vaan er ta?" Genign a gasa.

Genoe = ginotch@

"As akvan a," gasa, "kahvalti hazrlami i," gasa, "bat marte giav ta giav o ta kidim," gasa.

As= Ays
marte = mart@

Edited by Fadix, 22 November 2003 - 06:52 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2003 - 06:46 PM

Where on earth did you find this?????

I have no clue what it's about, but I have a feeling it's either about a girl being asked to marry by a guy, or about wanting to buy flour to make bread, or about people hungry as wolves looking for flour, but finding fish instead :) There are too many non-Armenian/Turkish/Persian words in this as far as I can see.

In any case there's a woman called Temel in there (genig).

Here's a few sentences that I tried to make out. See if you can guess which ones they are :)

"I'll bring it down here now", she said.

"What should we do, what should we not do?"

"Let's go ask the woman, who knows, she might know." They go to the woman.

As for the letters, standard, the p-like letter is the thorn: pronounced as the th in English bath.

The d like letter is the th in English bathe.

The y is mostly like the German , and the one with a diacritic ` is the long version of it. I'm not sure how it's used here to be honest, although often it does seem to be that , the one that Turks have too.

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 06:49 PM

As I see, I'm of no match with Nairi in this. :D

I'm embarassed. :)

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 07:06 PM

ad barak gelli; hemi inetsnu kuzin.


That's what I thought as well.

gelli = is, k@lini
inetsnup = I had problems with this one as well... It's seems like a verb with its stem being "inch" (what), but that seems unlikely somehow...

Andi inetsnele erguse uu compatsove compan inoun meg al na satarin kelxan compan inetsnoum gasa


erguse: the two, both
satarin: worker

Dain onune Temel gelli.


I disagree. I think onune means anun@ (name). Her name is Temel.

Andi engerdake compan kinun put genin martun vucude go keloxe go.


go = ka (is)
go = chka (isn't)

"Yahu," gasin, "asu kloxe gar ta gar ta? n enik in enik o?" Yuuts put genin "yahu," gasin, "meg erta gasa genoe harts enik balki genige kidena gu."


Yahu = how
Asu = this, here or God's (???)
gar ta, gar ta = came to give, not came to give
Yn enik in o = what shall we do, (and) what not
Yuuts put genin = they made a spot :) ???

I translated the rest in my last post.

Genoe mode gerton, "yahu," gasin, "ku martun
keloxe vaan er ta vaan er ta?" Genign a gasa.


mod = mot (to/near)
ku = qo (your) ???
er ta, er ta: gives, doesn't give?

"As akvan a," gasa, "kahvalti hazrlami i," gasa, "bat marte giav ta giav o ta kidim," gasa.


o ta = doesn't give
kidim = I don't know

:wacko:

Everything else I have the same as Domino...

Edited by nairi, 22 November 2003 - 07:17 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2003 - 07:14 PM

You're a master. Has anyone told you that? Pf... I understand why you study language. :)

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 07:24 PM

You're a master. Has anyone told you that? Pf... I understand why you study language. :)

:unsure: I really don't think I passed this test... if only because I went back and edited my post at least 10 times :) So for anyone who read it only once the first time, do go back and reread. I changed quite a few things, for what it's worth... I am very curious to find out what it's really about though... I don't even understand the title...

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 07:45 PM

Let me try.
AS I suspected at times they glide the r's just like the Zeituntsis. You will note that Yiyek=yirek/yerek/three. And further down the woman says; "giav te chgiav"= kerav te chi kerav/eat.
I still don't get the gist of the joke, it seems like three friends are goin to tsakhut(I thought it meant "bushes or "woods/forest". Thy are using a rope to lower themselves and, the rope is too thin, one of them falls down they notice that he is without a head(They probably lower him by the neck and separate his head from the body). They go and ask his wife if he had a head that morning or not. The wife answers: I prepared (kahve alti) coffe cake for him this morning but I don't remeber if he ate it or not, i.e if he had his head on or not.

I found this at that Hamshen Site. It was presented as a test to see who could understand it.
Hemince bir Temel fkras
This part is Turkish.
Hansheneren, a Temel thought. Here Temel may be a person, it also means basic as in foundation.
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Yiyek hadik enger tsaxutn ive kay enu gerton. Tsaxutin keloxn
Yerek hat(ik)@nker tsakhutn iver kayugh(boat) enul gertan. Tsakhutin glokhn
ive kellin kaye genin. ad barak gelli; hemi inetsnu kuzin.
iver kellen kayugh@ g'nen. Shat barak g'@lla; ijetsnel g'uzen
Andi inetsnele erguse
andi ijetsnel@ erkus@
uu compatsove compan inoun meg al na satarin kelxan compan
ov@ compatsov@ compan (the c may be a ch, hence chompa/champa)ijnoghin mek al na satarin glkhan compan
inetsnoum gasa. Dain onune Temel gelli. Temele vone cedin
ijetsnoghum g'asa Daghin onune Temel gelli (in the front of the mountain Temel g'@lli) Temel@ chvan@ dzhvar
gaba gu. "Yes hemi
gu gaba (kape/tie), "Yes the
asdi inetsenim" gasa. Andi engerdake compan kinun put genin
asdi ijetsnem" g'ase
martun vucude go keloxe go. "Yahu," gasin, "asu kloxe gar ta gar
martun marmin@ ka glukh@ chka
ta? n enik in
Inch anenk, inch anenk?
enik o?" Yuuts put genin "yahu," gasin, "meg erta gasa genoe
Yuuts put (do they mean puyt/hurry?) g'anen, yaho g'asen " mek erta g'asa knoch@
harts enik balki genige kidena gu." Genoe modegerton,
harts anenk balki(maybe, Turkish) knik@ k@ gitena, Knoch@ mot g'ertan

[/b]"yahu,"gasin,"ku martun[/b]
"Yaho g'asen, ko martun
keloxe vaan er ta vaan er ta?" Genign a gasa. "As akvan a," gasa,
glukh@ vran er te vran cher"? Knik@ k'asa. "as akvan/vat a"
"kahvalti hazrlami i," gasa, "bat marte giav ta giav o ta
Kahve alti hazerlamish em", k'asa, bayts mard@ kerav te ch kerav
kidim,"gasa.
Chkitim g'ase.
[b]Ermeni 22.11.2003 22:03 (3)


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Posted 22 November 2003 - 07:52 PM

I still don't get the gist of the joke

I'm sure you must be very close to the original. I had suspected "yiyek" to be three, but the rest just didn't make sense to me at all.

I'm sure you'll understand the gist if you read it one more time :) It's actually quite funny :) Thanks!!

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 08:36 PM

ѳ ϻ ϰóݣ ϰɻ ϰݣ ޳ ϰ ѻ ϰݣ ݹ ݻ ٿ ݳ ݷ˳ ϰ. ٻ ϰ. ٻ ϳ ٳ ݻٰ ϰ볣 ݹ ϻ ϰ ϰ ٳ ڳ, ϰ, ϳ ϳ ϰ, ۳ ϰ, ٿ ó ϰ ѳ ݳ . ϰ , ۳ ϰ , ٳ ÿ ݳ ϰ. ϰ, - ѳɳ ǰ, ϰ, ٳ ϻ ÿ ϻ ٰ, ϰ볣

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 08:44 PM

Sorry :( can't read your font Arpa, but I do have a few more questions...

What is chompa/champa?

And what is yahu/yaho? At first I thought it was "ayo" (yes), but used as an interjection. Then I thought of the more "Armenian" way of using that type of interjection, and thought of "inchpes?" or "vonts?" (how). Now I think, could it be equivalent to "ya", another popular interjection, especially in Armenia? Or is it something completely different?

Balki: it's also used in Persian :)

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 09:04 PM

Yahu/yaho is an exclammation, almost like "hey you".
And here is the English translation from that site (the last one) that Tigran, Hemshin Bashkoylu posted.
My translation came close. Let's see how close.

Three friends go up a mountain to make a boat. They climb up to top of the mountain and
make the boat. [The mountain] is very steep; now they want to lower [the boat down the
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mountain]. Then to lower it, two go down by one path; the other says, Ill lower it down the
steeper path The lads name is Temel. Temel ties a rope around his neck and says, Now Ill
lower it. Then the friends go down the path and see that theres a mans body, but theres no
head. Hey, they say, did he have his head or not? What do we do, what dont we do?They
look at each other and say, Hey, lets go ask his wife; maybe she knows. They go to the wife
and say, Hey, does your husband have a head, or not?The wife says, this morning he
prepared breakfast, but I dont know if he ate it, or not.

The story of Temels Head is a variant of a popular Christian Armenian folktale, The
Priests Head;, of which one version from the Mush area in eastern Turkey involves two men
taking a priest to a cave to search for the missing day of the week, Friday. The story concludes as
follows:
(9) excerpt from The Missing Friday (Russell 1987)

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 09:12 PM

In fact I did realize kind of late that there was a boat/kayugh involved but I could not tie it to the story. I thought they were in a boat and lowering themselves into the water.

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 09:23 PM

All right!! Now I also understand champa :) That was an interesting experience! Thanks!




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