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#1 Arpa

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:00 PM

Bosha *****??
Gypsy Prince??

I am not that smart.
Will someone please help me!!!
Will someone please help me understand who it is that is forcing us to call those bosha SSO’s “*****”!
Not only here but even such well read publications as ArmeniaNow (see Action News Alert) seem to be obligated to call those SOB gypsy murderers “*****”.
Speaking of turkification, next we will start calling Robert *****, Paruyr *****, Komitas *****. Of coure we adore that "turkish ***** /prince" known as Andranik Ozanian.
I GIVE UP!!!
mad.gif mad.gif
Is it not time to call those SSSO's by their proper title like murderous SOBs?

Edited by Arpa, 24 February 2006 - 01:02 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:06 PM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Feb 24 2006, 02:00 PM) View Post
Bosha *****??
Gypsy Prince??

I am not that smart.
Will someone please help me!!!
Will someone please help me understand who it is that is forcing us to call those bosha SSO’s “*****”!
Not only here but even such well read publications as ArmeniaNow (see Action News Alert) seem to be obligated to call those SOB gypsy murderers “*****”.
Speaking of turkification, next we will start calling Robert *****, Paruyr *****, Komitas *****. Of coure we adore that "turkish ***** /prince" known as Andranik Ozanian.
I GIVE UP!!!
mad.gif mad.gif
Is it not time to call those SSSO's by their proper title like murderous SOBs?

Arpa we should call them with the turkish word (posha). You used Bosha above is this the same as posha or it means something else?

#3 Arpa

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE(Yervant1 @ Feb 24 2006, 07:06 PM) View Post
Arpa we should call them with the turkish word (posha). You used Bosha above is this the same as posha or it means something else?

I don't quite know what the turdish word "posha" is, unless you "posht/pusht".
Bosha is the transliteration of the Armenian word բոշա which stands for armenianized and Armenian speaking gypsies.
I would much rather call them (eshek) "bokh@".

Edited by Arpa, 24 February 2006 - 01:22 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Feb 24 2006, 02:21 PM) View Post
I don't quite know what the turdish word "posha" is, unless you "posht/pusht".
Bosha is the transliteration of the Armenian word բոշա which stands for armenianized and Armenian speaking gypsies.
I would much rather call them "bokha".

Posha means useless idiot. Pusht you know what that means.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:30 PM

QUOTE(Yervant1 @ Feb 24 2006, 07:25 PM) View Post
Posha means useless idiot. Pusht you know what that means.

Oh, I see now. You mean "bosh" as in empty/parap. Sadly enough that word can be found in the Websters meaning the same. Her is what the dictionary says; bosh- interjection (turkish) to mean "nonsense".

Edited by Arpa, 24 February 2006 - 01:33 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:31 PM

its important to realise Andranik Zoravar was givin the name pasha from turks as a respect, and carried out became a householed name among Armenians in Anatolia.

and spesificly reason was, when Andranik was fighting in Bulgaria against otomans, he captured a turkish general but was set free by Andranik (I forgot the turkish generals name) as a result he was called pasha

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE(Edward @ Feb 24 2006, 07:31 PM) View Post
its important to realise Andranik Zoravar was givin the name ***** from turks....

I hope you are not suggesting that since Turks call Soghomon Tehlirian "terrorist" we should also refer to him as such.
Oh! btw, when we some days unite with our "brothers", kiss and hug, the Andranik can resume his *****-hood, just as when Phantom/Hagarag/AH will be restored to his ancetral khoja-hood.
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Edited by Arpa, 24 February 2006 - 01:41 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Feb 24 2006, 02:30 PM) View Post
Oh, I see now. You mean "bosh" as in empty/parap. Sadly enough that word can be found in the Websters meaning the same.

What were the synonyms, "bosh" as in Turkey. Or was that the bird?

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:40 PM

I thought we have agreed to use Andranik - Zoravar Ameniyn HAyots

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Feb 24 2006, 11:37 AM) View Post
I hope you are not suggesting that since Turks call Soghomon Tehlirian "terrorist" we should also refer to him as such.
Oh! btw, when we some days unite with our "brothers", kiss and hug, the Andranik can resume his pasha-hood, just as when Phantom/Hagarag/AH will be restored to his ancetral khoja-hood.
smile.gif smile.gif



che Arpa jan yes miayn asume pasha anune vortexitse kpel mer ZORAVARIN

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE(Edward @ Feb 24 2006, 07:57 PM) View Post
che Arpa jan yes miayn asume ***** anune vortexitse kpel mer ZORAVARIN

Gitem Edo jan.
Boghos Nubar-n el "*****'-i titghos uner.
Those were times when we were servants/slaves of the ottomans. Does that mean we should continue to be enslaved to them forever? They call us many names as well, among which "pis ermeni/dirty Armenian", does that mean we should call ourselves keghtot hayer ?
Is it not time to be what we are, and not what the turk says we are, ***** or bosha!!

Edited by Arpa, 24 February 2006 - 02:11 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2006 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Feb 24 2006, 12:08 PM) View Post
Gitem Edo jan.
Boghos Nubar-n el "pasha'-i titghos uner.
Those were times when we were servants/slaves of the ottomans. Does that mean we should continue to be enslaved to them forever? They call us many names as well, among which "pis ermeni/dirty Armenian", does that mean we should call ourselves keghtot hayer ?
Is it not time to be what we are, and not what the turk says we are, pasha or bosha!!



Arpa jan, voch "jan" voch "bala" vochel nmanatip banner haykakan chen, inchpes vor amen azgi mej ka espisi yerevuytner, yes yerpeq chem dimel Andranikin vorpes Pasha ayl Zoravar!
bayts

yerqelem es yerq@ shat anqamner

Antarber mi mna qu azgi Hamar
Ver kats Gerezmanits Andranik Pasha


etc........

haskanumes indz?

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE(Edward @ Feb 24 2006, 08:20 PM) View Post
Arpa jan, voch "jan" voch "bala" vochel nmanatip banner ....yerqelem es yerq@ shat anqamner

Antarber mi mna qu azgi Hamar
Ver kats Gerezmanits Andranik *****


etc........

haskanumes indz?

Shat lave em haskanum.
We use a lot of foreign words, many from that blasted language. Oddly enough, eastern Armenians use them more simply because they don't where it comes from, they take them as Armenian.
We use a lot of those words, specially in songs and poetry, like "yaman yar" (neither yaman nor yar are actually Armenian). But do we have to use them in formal Armenian and specially in forums that the entire world reads?
Which brings to mind those ugly and insultful surnames. Please don't get me started as I cannot think of any civil language to deal with the matter.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 03:32 PM

Arpa jan no need to start on the surnames smile.gif lets work on *****

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE(MosJan @ Feb 24 2006, 04:32 PM) View Post
Arpa jan no need to start on the surnames smile.gif lets work on *****

Good call Mosjan. I'm not saying what's my surname.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE(MosJan @ Feb 24 2006, 09:32 PM) View Post
Arpa jan no need to start on the surnames smile.gif lets work on *****

Aye, aye sir!! Our supreme commander (Hi Garo!), MosJan.
Your wish is my command.
Yet, any time, any one with those disgusting turkish surnames comes here and talks about the Genocide, and how bad turks are will be SHOT ON SIGHT. I don't have a turkish surname and I talk about the Genocide, that most shameful, if tragic era of our history as little as possible.

Agreed??
So, be forewarned all you guys with sunames like Eshek-oghlu-ian, or Kara-bokh*-ian. Clean up your act before you speak about Armeno-Turkish affairs.
*Made up surname. Means black-sh*t in turkish

Edited by Arpa, 25 February 2006 - 11:06 AM.


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Posted 25 February 2006 - 11:32 AM

sireli arpa, i have one of those surnames sad.gif aslanyan. what could i do? change it? almost impossible

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 12:12 PM

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I talk about the Genocide, that most shameful, if tragic era of our history as little as possible.


Interesting adjective you use there Arpa. I know what you mean and in many ways, happen to agree.

Edited by skhara, 25 February 2006 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2006 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE(Azat @ Feb 25 2006, 09:32 AM) View Post
sireli arpa, i have one of those surnames sad.gif aslanyan. what could i do? change it? almost impossible



Azat jan te chem sxalvum Aslan@ turqeren chi
da shat shatern en ogtvum

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE(Azat @ Feb 25 2006, 05:32 PM) View Post
sireli arpa, i have one of those surnames sad.gif aslanyan. what could i do? change it? almost impossible

This is a whole another subject. We can go there if you will.
In the meantime;
It is as simple as ABC.
We know that “aslan” means lion/aryuts in that f***en language. Many Armenians have that surname, just as “Kaplan”-ian/ tiger, even if nowadays many of the “kaplans” are Jewish Turks? Or Turkish Jews , if you will.
You have many easy choices.
You may choose to go back to pre-Vardanants and adopt a name like Khorkhoruni or Khorenatsi, or translate it to Aryutsian.
No!
That will be too cumbersome, internationally speking.
Just as I have preached about to not try and translate what our Turkish surnames would be in Armenian, like Demirji(oghlu)-ian to Darbin-ian(I'm gonna get that idiot that goes by Stepan Demijian, (Some of us may have had the deccy to covert it to "Darbinian, or "Tarpinian", in that MQ Istanbulian transliteration) who contends for the prsidency of Armenia, I would much rather have someone with a surname like Demir-el than Demirji-oghlu-ian, invent a new name for themselves before they run for the presidency of Armenia, unles they think Armenia is a province of of Demirel's "homeland" .
Forgive me! I go in a tizzy, and I see sparkles when I see Armenians with Turkish surnames.
Who is forcing us???
And as I have said befoire, come here and talk about the Genocide.
Who is comitting genocide? Us or them?

In your case would be as easy as ABC.
Above we see that your surname is based on “aslan/lion/aryuts” and you are a child of that leontine dynasty, i.e, a lion’s cub. You know that we have a word for that- “koryun/կորիւն”.
Need I say more!!
Use your proverbial “Armenian genius“ to liberate yourself from that anitsyal Ottoman bondage.
How about “Gorunian/Korunian”?? Or any variations thereof?

BTW. As we were surveying Masis Ler at Khor Virab, an Armenian Kurd who told me his name, Assad was a variation of Azat(maybe?)..Are you ready?.. was in fact the Arabic word for lion(asad). He was so relieved, once a gain feeling like a lion, waiting to liberate that “den of hyenas“. oops.gif, did I say “hye-na-s”? Make that ,“turk-e-na-s”

Edited by Arpa, 25 February 2006 - 12:39 PM.





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