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#1 Armena

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 11:48 AM

In every period there were people who held the idea of a formless God. This idea was called Islam, literally 'peace.' Sometimes it disappeared and then it reappeared during the time of the different prophets. It materialized fully during the time of Muhammad, when a nation was formed which became the custodian of a religion whose main spirit was this idea. And this religion was called by the same name: Islam. Proof of this fact can be found in the name of the holy city Dar-e Salam, that is the Gate of Salam, or Islam, which is known in the West as Jerusalem. Thus this name existed long before the coming of Muhammad, but in the period of the Prophet Muhammad's message especially, great stress was put upon the idea of a formless God.

It is difficult for man to make God intelligible without giving Him a form. And yet a step higher in God-realization is to make Him intelligible beyond the limit of form. Therefore, in Islam God was made intelligible by His attributes. He was conceived of as the Creator, as Father, as Mother, as Sustainer, as Judge, as Forgiver, as the source and the Goal of this whole manifestation, as the One who is always with His creatures, within them, and outside them, who notices all their feelings, thoughts, and actions, who draws the line of man's fate, before whom man must appear to give his account ? this is the God of Islam.

Islam believed in only one God, who has many attributes but is yet beyond any attributes; invisible and beyond the comprehension of man, almighty, incomparable of one save He having any power beside Him, the Knower of all things and pure from all impurities, free from all things and yet never far from them, all abiding in Him and He living in all. The whole essential teaching of Islam, which is called Kalamat, tends to explain clearly the oneness of God. And yet the attributes are suggested, not in order to explain God, but with a view to making God intelligible to the human mind.

These attributes form what is called Sifat, the external part of God, which is intelligible to man. But that part of the divine Being which is hidden under attributes and which cannot be intelligible to the human mind is called Zat, which means real Being. The whole tendency of Islam has been to disentangle man's heart from such thoughts as limit and divide God, and to clear man's heart from duality which is the nature of this illusory world, bringing him to that at-one-ment with God which has been the real aim and intention of every religion.

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 11:58 AM

Armena, if this is the Armenist view of Islam please post it in "Armenism" thread. Becasue there is a thread about Islam in religion section already, you could have posted it there. Thanks.

#3 Armena

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Armen @ May 24 2005, 07:58 PM)
Armena, if this is the Armenist view of Islam please post it in "Armenism" thread. Becasue there is a thread about Islam in religion section already, you could have posted it there. Thanks.


I have posted this so that people can read my point about this, so that they can go deeper in its content (if they want). For me it doesn't make diffrence where I have to post it specifically. I place it so that people can read it clearly.

If I understand you right, if there were a thread about ''Tashnagtsuchun'' a tashnag should post his/her view about something in this specific thread?
Don't get me wrong, its only a example...

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 12:47 PM

We are just trying to keep things neat here. People are very attentive and they will notice it and read it with deep understanding in interested even if it is posted in one thread. There were Dashnags here posting the same way and they were asked to keep things simple too. Armena, it is just a technical matter and that's all. Realy...

#5 Armena

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Armen @ May 24 2005, 08:47 PM)
Armena, it is just a technical matter and that's all. Realy...

Indeed very easy to say wink.gif

So we have to make threads with the political parties and everyone who belongs to that specific political party should only post him/her topic(s) or posts in there.
Brilliant idea Armen! smile.gif

#6 Sasun

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (Armena @ May 24 2005, 03:25 PM)
Indeed very easy to say wink.gif

So we have to make threads with the political parties and everyone who belongs to that specific political party should only post him/her topic(s) or posts in there.
Brilliant idea Armen! smile.gif

If I understand correctly Armen is saying that if there is a thread on Islam it is better to post in that thread. Not that if you are an Armenist you should post in an Armenist thread only. By the was, the word "islam" literally means surrender, and Islam is a religion of surrender to God. "Salam" means peace.

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 01:35 AM

"....Significantly, the greatest and most subtle theologian of the early church, St. John Damascene, was convinced that Islam was at root not a separate religion, but instead a form of Christianity. St. John had grown up in the Ummayad Arab court of Damascus, where his father was chancellor, and he was an intimate boyhood friend of the future Caliph al-Yazid; the two boys' drinking bouts in the streets of Damascus were the subject of much horrified gossip in the streets of the new Islamic capital. Later, in his old age, John took the habit at the desert monastery of Mar Saba where he began work on his great masterpiece, a refutation of heresies entitled the Fount of Knowledge. The book contains an extremely precise and detailed critique of Islam, the first ever written by a Christian, which, intriguingly, John regarded as a form of Christian heresy related to Arianism: after all Arianism, like Islam, denied the divinity of Christ. Although he lived at the very hub of the early Islamic world, it never seems to have occurred to him that Islam might be a separate religion. If a theologian of the stature of John Damascene was able to regard Islam as a new- if heretical- form of Christianity, it helps to explain how Islam was able to convert so much of the Middle Eastern population in so short a time, even though Christianity remained the majority religion until the time of the Crusades."

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE(Armena @ May 24 2005, 11:48 AM) View Post
He was conceived of as the Creator, as Father, as Mother, as Sustainer, as Judge, as Forgiver, as the source and the Goal of this whole manifestation, as the One who is always with His creatures, within them, and outside them, who notices all their feelings, thoughts, and actions, who draws the line of man's fate, before whom man must appear to give his account ? this is the God of Islam.


Salam to all ( peace to all biggrin.gif )
Muslims dont concieve God as Father and/or Mother . Muslims believe that God has no patners
he is not a Father/mother, Son/daughter. God (Allah) is the Creator of eveything, he is the Most high and so forth...
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Posted 08 August 2006 - 12:09 AM

Hey hijabebbesalamabdulkarimoglu,

Is farting allowed in Judaism/Islam?

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 12:13 AM

QUOTE(gamavor @ Aug 8 2006, 01:09 AM) View Post
Hey hijabebbesalamabdulkarimoglu,

Is farting allowed in Judaism/Islam?


I think in Islam, farting must stricly be performed in the direction pointing AWAY from Mecca. Though group farting is encouraged and practiced several times a day. Though I could be wrong.

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 12:19 AM

yeah, I thought so. Maybe before starting a prayer day carefully measure the power and the direction of the winds. Otherwise they may and up caught in a gas chamber! biggrin.gif

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE(Sip @ Aug 8 2006, 12:13 AM) View Post
I think in Islam, farting must stricly be performed in the direction pointing AWAY from Mecca. Though group farting is encouraged and practiced several times a day. Though I could be wrong.


Dude I hope you're trying to be funny. What you said is so bs.

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 07:01 PM

QUOTE(hijabbed @ Aug 8 2006, 05:37 PM) View Post
Dude I hope you're trying to be funny. What you said is so bs.

Thanks for alerting me.
I thought he was dead serious. smile.gif

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 11:47 PM

QUOTE(Sip @ Aug 8 2006, 02:13 AM) View Post
I think in Islam, farting must stricly be performed in the direction pointing AWAY from Mecca. Though group farting is encouraged and practiced several times a day. Though I could be wrong.

Hey Sip stop spreading rumors like that, thanks to hijabhead I know better now. tongue.gif

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(Yervant1 @ Aug 8 2006, 11:47 PM) View Post
Hey Sip stop spreading rumors like that, thanks to hijabhead I know better now. tongue.gif

hijabhead? oh i get it...HIJAB..HEAD..bwahahahaaaa....NO huh.gif Its hijabi or hijabbed man. But if you believed what Sip said about the whole farting thing-then God help you! Man you'd believe anything LOL

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE(hijabbed @ Aug 10 2006, 05:58 PM) View Post
hijabhead? oh i get it...HIJAB..HEAD..bwahahahaaaa....NO huh.gif Its hijabi or hijabbed man. But if you believed what Sip said about the whole farting thing-then God help you! Man you'd believe anything LOL

My apologies I thought it was Hijabhead. smile.gif
Yeh!!! the fart thing, God already helped me through you otherwise I would have thought that they really fart. I'm a very naive person and I usually believe in what people say in particularly Sip and Edward but I don't believe Mosjan he steals avatars so be careful hide your avatar or maybe put a hijab over it that way he might overlook it. smile.gif
P.S. Be careful with Extra as well she helps him. tongue.gif

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 03:00 PM

QUOTE(Yervant1 @ Aug 10 2006, 07:09 PM) View Post
My apologies I thought it was Hijabhead. smile.gif
Yeh!!! the fart thing, God already helped me through you otherwise I would have thought that they really fart. I'm a very naive person and I usually believe in what people say in particularly Sip and Edward but I don't believe Mosjan he steals avatars so be careful hide your avatar or maybe put a hijab over it that way he might overlook it. smile.gif
P.S. Be careful with Extra as well she helps him. tongue.gif


LOL ok. But im not so naive so i'll have to see these 2 memers in action before I jump to any conclusions tongue.gif biggrin.gif

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 01:16 AM

I'm dead serious about the Islam thing. I think I read it in a book somewhere. I'll try to dig it up.

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 02:35 AM

QUOTE(hijabbed @ Aug 12 2006, 02:00 PM) View Post
LOL ok. But im not so naive so i'll have to see these 2 memers in action before I jump to any conclusions tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Do you know who Wafa Sultan is? wink.gif

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE(Sip @ Aug 13 2006, 01:16 AM) View Post
I'm dead serious about the Islam thing. I think I read it in a book somewhere. I'll try to dig it up.


You sure you didnt read a book which is tryna riducule Islam?

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Do you know who Wafa Sultan is?


Never heard of him huh.gif




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