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[gamavor]

DO YOU KNOW...?

That there were 20 emperors of armenian origin
Here they are:
1. Morick Oshakanatsi (Mavrikiy) 582-602.
2. Vardan Pikick 711-713.
3. Artavazd - 742-743.
4. Levon (Lion the V) Artsruni - 813-830.
5. Barseg Arsha - kuni (Vasil the I - the founder of armenian Makedonian dinasty) - 867-886.
6. Levon Arshakuni (Lion the VI, philosopher) 886-912.
7. Alexander 912-913.
8. Kons tandin the VII Bagrianorodny 913-959.
9. Romanos Vashtakian (Roman the I) 919-949. Ruled with Konstandin the VII Bagrianororodny).
10. Romanos the II - 959-963.
11. Nikiphor the II Phoka (the Great) - 963-969.
12. Hovanes Chimishk (Ioan Tsimiskhy) 969-976.
13. Vasily the II Bulgaroboyts 976-1025.
14. Konstandin the VIII - 1025-1028.
15. Roman the III 1028-1034.
16. Mikhael Paflagon (Mikhael the IV) - 1034 1041.
17. Mikhael Kalapat (Mikhael the V) - 1041-1042.
18. Konstandin the IX Monomakh - 1042-1054.
19. Teodora the II (Phedora the II) empress - 1054-1056.
20. Mikhael Stratiotik (Mikhael the II) - 1056-1057.
...that among Byzantian military leaders more than eighty were armenians and among them: Sittas (528), Buz (538), Balisarios (545), Nerses (555) Vardan Mamikonian (571), Smbat Bagratouny (582), Atat Khorkhrouny (601), Vardan Pilick (711), Vasack Patrik (741), Musheg Alex (792), Arshavir Patrik (807., Manuel Mamikonian ("Byzantian Ahiless" 830.), Hobgan Kurkuas (941., conquered 1000 cities and was called "the Greatest"), Mlag (Melios), the "Great" (went down in byzantian epos "Diogonis - Akritas" (934), Vard Skleros (976), Vard Pokas (987), Magistros Bagratouny (990), Grigor Taronatsy (996), Nikapor Tsrviz (1022), Levon - Tornick Bagratouny (1047), and others.

...that from 837 till 843 the patriarck of Konstantinopulus was the famous armenian scientist Hoivanes Karahan (loan Grammatick).

...that the founder of an ancientslatinopolsky university of Magnavr was Levon, the great mathematician and astronomer of the IV century, Hovanes Karahan`s niece.

...that the creators of the ancientslavonic alphabet Kirill ( Konstandin ) and Mephody were the sons of Levon and the pupils of Hovanes Karahan in the University of Magnavr. They created the alphabet which consisted of 36 letters, as in armenian one, by Mesrob Mashtots, but not of 24 letters as in Greek one.

... that the sister of Vasily the II Bulgaroboyts Anna, in 988, married Kiev prince Vladimir Sviatoslav, on condition that he and the whole Kiev Russia adopts christianity. Russia was baptized by Armenian priests.

...that the patriarchs of Byzantine church, in different years, were armenian churchmen: Melitos (360), Apgtikos (406-427), Isaak (625-643), Hovanes Karahan (837-843), Stepanos (888), Teopilintos (931-1057), Bagrat (Pankratios) (9th c.).

... that Kiev was founded by the armenian prince Smbat Bagratouny in 585, and was named originally - Smbatos.

...that the mother of Vladimir Monomakh (1053-1125) Mariam (Maria) was the daughter of the emperor of armenian origin Konstandin the IX Monomakh (1042- 1054). From him Vladimir inherited the nickname "Monomakh". Mariam was married with Vsevolod, the son of Yaroslav Mudry (the Wise) - the Great prince of Kiev Russia - the son of Vladimir Monomakh, the Great prince Yuri Dolgorouky (1096- 1157) the founder of Moscow (1147) - is mentioned in the russian chronicles as "Grugy" or "Kriuk", that is to say George. The church of George was built in Vladimir, in his honour (1158-1164). The grandchild of Yury Dolgorouky and the husband of the queen of Georgia Tamar - was named George.

... the lion was represented on the emblem of armenian prince family of Dolgorouky - Argutinsky, as on the emblem of Bagratouny dynasty in Armenia, which was in family ties with it. This lion was represented also on the emblem of Yury Dolgoruky.
- the icon St. George in Moscow (12)- the patron of Yury Dolgoruky - represents the Great prince itself.
- the armenian historian Zenon Glack (5-6 cc, by Marr, 7-8) in "The history of Taron", writes about Kuar (Kie), Sheke (Meltey) and Chorean : "Kuar built the city of Kuar and it was named Kuar after him. And Meltey built its city on that field and named it Meltey (Shekovitsa). And Chorean built its own city in the district of Paluni and named it Khorean (Korevan).

Smbatas was founded on the mountain of Zamk (Kiselevka), soon near it "gradok Kiev" appeared on the mountain of Andreev, which was founded by Kie (on the place of Kiev historical Museum). Thus near Smbatas city situated on the Zamk mountain appeared three cities - Kiev, Shekovitsa and Korevitsa. According to Byzantine emperor of armenian origin, Konstandin Bagrianorodny (948) "Russ are going downstream the Dnepr and are gathering in the Kiev fortress, called Smbatas".

There were cities with armenian names: Armen (Romen), Artan, Artavet. They surrounded Kiev. In the arabian source of the 9-11 cc. "Huddud- al - aalem", is said that precious bladed for swords and swords, which can be bended, were produced in the city of Artavet. Artavet specialists so firmly kept the secrets of producing their weapon, that killed all foreighners,when they reached the city (Roden on the Dnepr).

Yury Dolgorouky, for the first time, gave the name of Moscow in March, 1142. "Come to my place, in Moscow, my brother", this armenian pronounciation (transcription) of Moscow reached to ourdays. The russian chronicler informes: "arrange the dinner party by Giurgy's will...". "Giurgy" - "Kiurk" - this is the form of name "Yury Dolgorouky" in the russian chronicles.

V.N. Tatishev describes Yury Dolgorouky, according to kiev sources, in this way: "This great prince was tall and stout with white face and small eyes, with long and curve nose, with short beard. He was the great lover of women, sweets and drinks. In a word, the powerfull founder and ruler of Moscow, Suzdal, Vladimir, Yaroslav, Rostov - Dmitrov and the other cities, wasn't deprived of courage".

In the capital Vladimir, the city of Yury Dolgorouky, after his death in 1157, the church of George was built in his honour in 1158 - 1164. And the famous "Golden gates" of Vladimir led to it.


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[Teutonic Knight]

Those were great days fo Armenians.

The Making of Byzantium, 600-1025 by Mark Whittow is a great book that concentrates on Armenian influence in the Byzantine Empire.
Armenians were the second most powerful force in the Empire next to Greeks.

[MJ]

Sure... Given that that's when Armenia was destroyed.

[Teutonic Knight]

Sure... Given that that's when Armenia was destroyed.

Armenian nation ceased to exist after the fall of Cilicia.
Until that day Armenians were a distinct homogenous group.
Anyone can be an Armenian now, hell I can change my name and say i'm Armenian just the same as an Ali Baba for Saudi Arabia.

[MJ]

Is that something from the series called "Grandma Stories and Armchair Uncle wisdom?"

[Harut]

Armenian nation ceased to exist after the fall of Cilicia.
Until that day Armenians were a distinct homogenous group.
Anyone can be an Armenian now, hell I can change my name and say i'm Armenian just the same as an Ali Baba for Saudi Arabia.

really?
ask America-Hye what he thinks about that.

[Teutonic Knight]

Armenian nation ceased to exist after the fall of Cilicia.
Until that day Armenians were a distinct homogenous group.
Anyone can be an Armenian now, hell I can change my name and say i'm Armenian just the same as an Ali Baba for Saudi Arabia.

really?
ask America-Hye what he thinks about that.

As I was reading some interesting topics in the archives I noticed that the majority agree with that conclusion. Especially THOTH & Khodja.

[gamavor]

Majority Thoth and Khodja!!! At least I have to admit that you have sense of humor!!!

[Teutonic Knight]

Majority Thoth and Khodja!!! At least I have to admit that you have sense of humor!!!

See for yourself, it was in the history forum. Armenian-turk mongol connection or something. The guy that was arguing with them got bullied away and you didn't seem to disagree.

[gamavor]

Artaxias was not bulliet away. At one point he realized that arguing with Thoth and Khodja is futile because their views are not the once based on history, but political motivations. Both of them are not Armenians from Armenia, nor one of those "genuine" diaspora Armenians. Thoth is a person who has immence interest in Armenian culture and is our friend, but he is American. As such Turkey is dear to his heart much more than Armenia. Same is valid for Khodja.

[America-Hye]

Armenians pure until the fall of the Cilicxians Kingdom?? Get serious. Mamikonian noble brothers, most probably Chinese or from that part of the world. Mongols intermarried with Cilician Armenian upper classes and converted to Armenian Christianity before 1375. Jews in region of present-day ROA assimilate into Armenian populace during same era, yet tens of thousands of JEws who were followers of Christ "disappeared" into the Armeian community in the fourth century. They ceased at that time to refer themselves as Jews anymore. A lot of this had to do with Constatine's policies toward Jews. Mind you these folks had been Christians for a few hundred years already, but still though of themselves as ethnic Jews. Throw in a number of Scandinavian travellers who intermarried into the Armenian community and the intermariage with French?Germans in the Crusader era and you have a have a real mixed bag EVEN before 1375.

[gamavor]

MOshe how much they pay you to distribute such lies.

[America-Hye]

Gamavor,

Turkey DEAR to my heart???????Get REAL. The only thing I like about Turkey is the Armenian monuments there and the massive properties associated with my family there.

[America-Hye]

Gamavor,

Take your demagogue's hat off and put on the hat of a un-subjective observer. All I am saying is WELL documented. It may not be politically correct, however. As for Armenian lands within the ROA, our genetic mix doesn't have anything to do with our rights there. Most nations of the world are mixed genetically. The Turkish culture has only been there 500-700 years, while ours goes back 3,000 years.

[Teutonic Knight]

Why is thus guy allowed to post here?

[Teutonic Knight]

American jew or turk whatever it is.
Based on scientific and historical research it is clear that Armenians mixed heavily with OTHER EUROPEANS but never with Asiatics and Semites. After the fall of Cilicia, Armenians were raped and robbed by the people you speak of.
I'm surprised you don't say Armenians are 50% sub-saharan like most turks and jews I know.
End of discussion.

[gamavor]

Ours Yes, Yours NO! I'm not demagogue. Armenian race is Aryan race. People like you are result of invasions, occupations, aggressions etc...Your psyche is very similar to the one of the all inclusive Zionists. It is not a question of political correctness. It is a question of historical accuracy. Only an individual with an ulterior motives can claim that intermarriages with crusaders in a very limited number, predominantly between the upper ruling class and princely clans, and other accidental intermarriages can result in massive change of the genetic pool. Your love to spread out lies about Jews in Armenia and their subsequent assimilation is outrages. Not to speak about ridiculous claims about Scandinavian travelers that married Armenian women and suddenly the Armenian genetic make up had changed.
In the name of the political correctness we have to admit that attempts to break the Armenian identity up to this day are primary goal of our enemies who falsify history as much as they can. Just recently thousands of cross-stones were demolished in Nahichevan, in the past 70 years thousands and thousands of Armenian historical sites in so-called Turkey were either renamed, demolished, or presented as ArAMEAN or BABilonian artifacts. All of these were largely supported by Turkey's allies who wanted to erase any trace of the Armenian homeland (not presence).

You my friend are as simple as an ameba. Just another asymmetric Semite!

[Teutonic Knight]

Well said Sir.

[America-Hye]

Teutonic Knight,

Why Am I ALLOWED to post here, you ask??? What do you propose that I be BANNED from this forum?? Baliozian is SO, SO right about so-called Armenians like you. You have the soul of a TURK who eradicates what he doesn't agree with.

[America-Hye]

YEPISKOPSYAN WOULD DISAGEREE WITH YOU. A top ROA geneticist, whose study was squelched. Aryan, BAH! Just go look around at your next Armenian affair and then tell me that WE are Aryans.