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[hagopn]

Lav, @senq te Saehdyo-n jisht armadn e Aj parrin.  Che:  Absudrizmi absurdizm antsel e iprev kidutyun:  http://www.nayiri.co...&pageNumber=251

 

Khntrem.  Saehdyo, Droit, destra, Aj, anshusht irar het gab unin  -- 

[hagopn]

Hovhaness,  meg had al tepk badmem im lezvabanutyan tasakhosneren megun hed yeghadz:

 

Portzetsnq aniv parr@ voroshel morphological tzevov.  Hasanq ayn yezragatsuyan vor Hayeren tzev@ betk e @lla, IE ganonnerov, Dzhghol. --

Edited by hagopn, 24 January 2014 - 01:23 PM.

[Johannes]

Hamemadelov urish pareru hed, hntyevrobakan-hayeren, ur nuyn tsaynapokhumnere badaher en, aveli hamozich grna ellal.
Ajaryane orinag guda sald, yev hayeren al (agh), s tsayni angman hamar. Nuyn deghe.

Yes hamozverem

[Johannes]

Bedke ngadi unenal, vor havanapar yeghadz e mege aveli hndevrobagan parparner.
Aniv hntyevrobakan par che
Hayeren e, sagayn voch hntyevrobakan

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/عنفة
araperen anafe gnshanage anivi Neman kordzik, vor chur gmghe

[hagopn]

Yes hamadzayn shad IE hamemadagan parareu hed, bayts bntel te "mortsadz enq ays gam ayn" tetevsolig yev tuyl "hamemadutyunner"u  himki vra, orinag Saedhyo yev Aj, indzi chi hamozer

 

jisht hasgenank Irar --

 

Qu arabereni kidlikner@ misht arzhekavor en indz hamar.  Ayo, Aniv@ ipr te IE (HE) che @sd Ajarianin.

 

Isg hartsutser es te Ajarian, inchkan al lav "technicos" er lezvabanutyan mej, isg inchqan lav mardapan, yergrapan, yergragordzapan, ashkharakraked, kakhakaked, hneapan, kam badmapan er?  Kider, orinag, hnakuyn hay kaghti masin?  Inchqan lav Basqueren kider?  Inchkan lav Sumereren gam Akkaderen kider?  Inch kider academiai kaghakanutyan masin?  Inchkan uzh uner yete nuyn isk hasgenar? 

Edited by hagopn, 24 January 2014 - 01:40 PM.

[Johannes]

Khntir chga paregam, yes u tun Hayg nahabedi orere chenk abradz vor kidnank.

Yes Gsem pnagan e, hantibelov urish joghovurtneru, hayasdani mech yev anmichagan sahmanin, aveli zarkatsadz joghivurtneru esenk, arants anhanksdanalu, mortsadz en irents pnig shad parer,
Hos, halebi mech zavagner irents hayrerun yev mayrerun kordzadzadz pareren shade Chen kordzdadzer, lselov nuyn arargayi hamar urish odar par, gntorinagen yev gekordzadzen, jamanag me yedk mornalov hine
Osharagi pokharen juice, orinag me Im zavages.

Edited by Johannes, 24 January 2014 - 01:44 PM.

[hagopn]

Payts DZHGHOL kdar mer lezvi mech yerpek, voyeve meg degh?  Barzabes shad terutyunnerov kidutyun e, hagarag vor iskabes gan shad agnhayd @nthanrutyunner H-YE lezva@ndaniki antamnerun mej. 

 

Yes ghavadam vor hayeru heravor yev hnakuyn kaght@ sovoragan yerevuyt er hed Sarutsyal Tar@ avardelis.  Basque-Haygagan gab@ shad havanagan e im gardzikov, yev yertalen aveli hamozvadz em vor jisht gardzik e.

[Johannes]

Yes hamadzayn shad IE hamemadagan parareu hed, bayts bntel te "mortsadz enq ays gam ayn" tetevsolig yev tuyl "hamemadutyunner"u  himki vra, orinag Saedhyo yev Aj, indzi chi hamozer
 
jisht hasgenank Irar --
 
Qu arabereni kidlikner@ misht arzhekavor en indz hamar.  Ayo, Aniv@ ipr te IE (HE) che @sd Ajarianin.
 
Isg hartsutser es te Ajarian, inchkan al lav "technicos" er lezvabanutyan mej, isg inchqan lav mardapan, yergrapan, yergragordzapan, ashkharakraked, kakhakaked, hneapan, kam badmapan er?  Kider, orinag, hnakuyn hay kaghti masin?  Inchqan lav Basqueren kider?  Inchkan lav Sumereren gam Akkaderen kider?  Inch kider academiai kaghakanutyan masin?  Inchkan uzh uner yete nuyn isk hasgenar?

Ajariane okdvadze medz lezvabanneru ashkhadutyunneren. Armadagan pararanin mech nshvadz e.aysinkn Inke minage kidutyun Che hnaradz, ayl yeghadzin vra himnvelov hayakidagan ashkhadank gadarer e.

Edited by Johannes, 24 January 2014 - 01:56 PM.

[hagopn]

"zarkatsum" parrn al haraperagan e, anshusht.  Dvyal araragayi der@ g'voroshe, iprev ganon, ayd arargayi anun@.  orinag yergrakordzutyan mej kordzadzvogh@ arargayi anun@ bidi nakh yev araj yergrakordzutyamb zpaghvogh@ u arajtimutyun unetsogh@ bidi voroshe.  Yevs meg orinag, Im gardzikovs, Sumererenin antzer e Agar parr@ hayerenen, yev voch te hagarag ughutyamb. 

[hagopn]

Ajarian@ nuynkan heravor Hubschmannin vra himnelov ir skspnagan pul@ voroshadz e Gabign u Banani tez.   Yes arten hamozvadz em vor hagarag ir medz ashkhatankin hateb unetsats harkankis, terutyunner@ kidagan oren annereli en. 

Edited by hagopn, 24 January 2014 - 01:56 PM.

[Johannes]

Payts DZHGHOL kdar mer lezvi mech yerpek, voyeve meg degh?  Barzabes shad terutyunnerov kidutyun e, hagarag vor iskabes gan shad agnhayd @nthanrutyunner H-YE lezva@ndaniki antamnerun mej. 
 
Yes ghavadam vor hayeru heravor yev hnakuyn kaght@ sovoragan yerevuyt er hed Sarutsyal Tar@ avardelis.  Basque-Haygagan gab@ shad havanagan e im gardzikov, yev yertalen aveli hamozvadz em vor jisht gardzik e.

Sarutsyal tari avardadz jamanag artyok hayeren yev ayl lezuner gayin?
Yes vsdah chem paregam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
Bidi neghvim kezme, paregam. 4000 Dari arach gertam, sagayn 1-2 million Dari arach chem yertar.

[hagopn]

Arten kidenk vor 50000 dari araj pavagan zarkatsadz arvest yev gron gar.  Dordogne yev Chauvet karayrner@ past en. Ayo, yes g'gardzem vor nakhalezu, pavaganin zarkatadz, koyutyun uner.  Hayeren@, avelin, uni pazmativ nostratic, pnadzin, pnutyan hed ughigh gab unetzogh, parrabashar. 

 

Yev hayasdani zhayrabadgerayin kanag@ ahreli medz yev khid e, vor gabatsutse hin zarkatsum, patzi Gobekli Tepe-i 14000 amya medz dajarayin complex@.

Edited by hagopn, 24 January 2014 - 02:09 PM.

[hagopn]

Milionavor darva masin che khosk@.  Hayasdan@ unetzav, @sd abatsuytsnerun, arachin Nor Kare Tar@, gazmagerbvadz kyughadndesutyan u yergrakordzutyan arajin abatsuytsner@.  Shan @ndelatsum@ u Shan hed gabvadz gron u taghman araroghutyun.  Shan@ @ndelatsum@ part ashkhatanq er vor tuyl dvav kisherayin vakheren azad abril u tseragayin kyughadndesutyamb spaghil. 

 

Hayasdan@ yev mod shrchagayq yevs unetsav hnakuyn Bghintsi Tar u arajin Yergatya Tar.  Menq miayn bedk uninq modavorabes 14000 dari yertal u desnel vor gar medz zarkatsum tebi kaghakagirt kyanq, payts aveli Confederate modelov.  Getronatsadz bedutyun chigar.  Bedk@ chigar.  Havanapar @nthanur azkayin inqnutyan harts@ zud ynetatranq e u anhavanagan, payts azkaktsagan gab@ @llal@ @nthanur pnaghcutyan mej shad havanagan er.  Yes g'gardzem vor menq uneyinq, shad hinuts, Celteru nman azka-kaghakagan model.

Edited by hagopn, 24 January 2014 - 02:21 PM.

[Arpa]

Սիրելիներ Յագոբ եւ Օհաննէս , ինչու՞ Լատինատառ եք գրում: Մանաւանդ բօլսա- թրքա հայ հնչունականով՞: Ինչպէս գրագէտ դառնայ kraked եւ ոչ graget: Յագոբը ընտիր Հայերէն գիտէ, կը կարդայ եւ կը գրէ, թէեւ մի ժամանակ ըսաւ թէ ինք տակաւին Unicode-AM չի կիրարել:
Սա գրելուս պարճառը, ես յաճախ դժուար կը կարդամ լատինատառով գրուածը, եւ յաճախ իմաստը կը կորցնեմ:
Այո, կը հասկանամ, գուցէ մեր զրուցակիցներէն ոմանք չեն կարող Մեսրոպատառ Հայերէն կարդալ: Բայց նմանապէս, նրանք լատինատառն ալ պիտի չի հասկանան:
PS. Hagop, did you download the Unicode -Am yet? If not, see where Harut showed us how to apply it.
PPS See how I spelled Jacob as Յագոբ not Հակոպ. Even if in the original Aramaic it is Yaqoub/Yakhoub. Search and see how many Yakoubian-s there are.

[hagopn]

Sorry, Arpa.  I'm typing on a computer at a location that doesn't allow me to load Armenian unicode fonts. 

[hagopn]

Hovaness,

 

The Wurm glacial period is a debated item, but is a reason given for the Frobenian "eastward migration" theory where a large swath of the population of the Franco-Germanic basin emigrated to the east in the aproximately 40000 year mark.  Meanwhile, the Anatolian expanse and Armenian Plateau were green and warm.  THen, as the Wurm ice age retreated, the populations who had grown in size in the east, Asia Minor and more so in the Armenian Plateau, began migrating back west again.  I don't doubt that these peoples retained memories of former domiciles and hunting grounds and were seeking movement based on primarily nutritional needs.  I also have little doubt that they had already developed sophisticated enough culture to retain long term memory, to have elaborate mythologies, which in turn would require complex language able to encompass and convey these abstract concepts. 

 

We make a grave error in thinking that sophisticated life began in Sumer with the Cuneiform.  Some would argue the reverse, that a spiritual and intellectual decline began during the literacy drive, which ironically was eventuallly dominated by the materialist whims and needs of the merchants and usurers to control wealth, human lives, and trade. 

Edited by hagopn, 24 January 2014 - 03:05 PM.

[Johannes]

Սիրելիներ Յագոբ եւ Օհաննէս , ինչու՞ Լատինատառ եք գրում: Մանաւանդ բօլսա- թրքա հայ հնչունականով՞: Ինչպէս գրագէտ դառնայ kraked եւ ոչ graget: Յագոբը ընտիր Հայերէն գիտէ, կը կարդայ եւ կը գրէ, թէեւ մի ժամանակ ըսաւ թէ ինք տակաւին Unicode-AM չի կիրարել:Սա գրելուս պարճառը, ես յաճախ դժուար կը կարդամ լատինատառով գրուածը, եւ յաճախ իմաստը կը կորցնեմ:Այո, կը հասկանամ, գուցէ մեր զրուցակիցներէն ոմանք չեն կարող Մեսրոպատառ Հայերէն կարդալ: Բայց նմանապէս, նրանք լատինատառն ալ պիտի չի հասկանան:PS. Hagop, did you download the Unicode -Am yet? If not, see where Harut showed us how to apply it.PPS See how I spelled Jacob as Յագոբ not Հակոպ. Even if in the original Aramaic it is Yaqoub/Yakhoub. Search and see how many Yakoubian-s there are.

Ես այս կայքը կը գործածեմ, դժուար է. ՍՏԵՂՆԱշարի պէս չէ:
http://hayeren.am

[Johannes]

Hagop,
They were our and other nations ancestors, but I don't believe that they were Germans or celts or Armenians or Iranians.
This is after ice age a million year ....!?
Երբ տրոհուեցաւ ՀՆխ, , այդ ժամանակ նախահայերէնի, նախագերմաներէնի եւ այլ լեզուներու եւ ազգերու ծնունդ տեղի ունեցաւ:

[hagopn]

I don't think they had any self-identification of the sort we have today.  The concept of nationality unity, political groupings, borders, and so on were non-existent and only became necessary when the Akkadian aggressions, a culmination of Sumerian "literacy" really, began its onslaught into Armenia and other territories.

 

Drohumner@ mishd al yeghadz en.  You have a village that grows in size.  THe chief dies and leaves his land to his sons, or daughers, depending on the patrilienal or matrilinial dominance model.  The sons then apportion the land and annex additional territory during this vast wilderness period.  As populations increase, land gets more scarce, state-like political models may or may not begin to emerge, but certainly migration begins for new land for, say, the younger son and generations.  The natural consquence is the emergence of newer tribal identities, and hence the phenomenon of language families.

 

The national nomenclature of Armenian, German (probably the same name, by the way) and so on is a later phenomenon where politically centralized states with professional militaries become the norm due to the Akkadian initiative that started the game in the first place.

 

This does not mean that the cultures that eventually became what we are were not already developed at some advanced enough stage to have an identity.  Mythologies clearly indicate that the case was precisely that Armenians did havce a consciousness of a tribal-national past that defies the rules of present day politics, but somewhat reminisces the Celtic model of the pre-Roman occupation periods.

Edited by hagopn, 24 January 2014 - 03:22 PM.

[Johannes]

Thanks,
We Can start a topic about Sumerian language to discuss it, word by word.
What you say for Turkish falsification about so called Turkic origin of Sumerians?

Edited by Johannes, 24 January 2014 - 03:31 PM.