here we go again.
I just can not understand this obsession with the jews among my people, insted of searching for excusess somehow we overlook our short commings in our history.
when do we stop seeing our selfs as underdogs?
talk about the future, look forword and make sure Genocide never happens again.
I'm sick and tired of hearing the word genocide
Fascinating question, Ed.
Obsession on one side (the side that wants answers about Jews, customarily called "the anti-semite" by that other, "political correct" side who is the "healthy in mind but likes prozac" sort - i.e. the "leftist fascists and totalitarians who think they are democratic liberal minded" sort) begins when these facts are ignored by the "establishment," and people start asking this question. Interestingly enough, the more they get resistance from the 'establishment" (such as the standard non-responses above), the more suspicious they become. Hence the "obsessive" and "repetitive" behavior ensues.
It is rather healthy, actually. Sheep don't ask questions. They say "ba-a-a-a-a". But human beings, men in particular (it is true), ask lots and lots of questions. Jewish organizations actually keep tabs on stuff like this, but “they are not obsessed. Oh no”. For example, these organizations do have statistic on the gender distribution of “certified anti-semites,” and the males win it out, hands down. I still carry the ADL membership, left over from my younger college days when I joined every human rights organization one can think of with the hopes of gaining allies for Genocide recognition. Imagine the degree of disappointment.
To ask questions when noticing anomalies and contradictions, when noticing dissonance between presented "established facts" versus noticeable reality, that's called Critical Thinking. How easily we forget this when dealing with Jews, and I find this even more obsessively fascinating!
So, the best thing is to let it out in the open and let the matter be discussed. Usually discussion of anything with regards to Jews is discouraged. At Hyeclub dot com, for example, the word Jew is even edited out by an automatic filter routine!
I was called, quite automatically, an "anti-semite" by some Thoth on this forum for saying that "Jews have a bias in historiography that favors them." How "outlandish" a claim that is, to say that Jews have biases. It cannot be! - [ ]
But, before I said this, I merely said "and then there are the Jews," after naming every other sort that is involved in some form or another historical revisionism against Armenians, which are not really that many, once you calibrate things properly. It is really one or two columns against Armenians. Others simply don’t matter. No one got upset or went about name calling until I said “and then there are the Jews.” That in itself is an interesting topic!
It is ironically not the genocide that is of the hottest contention. It is ancient Armenian history! To understand this, you have to think like a zionist, the one people on the planet who invaded and occupied land based on, well, ancient mythology! Who like that wants competition, eh?
What I was going to say, before the "politically correct" parasitic noise began was that Jews, as any other people who depend on their mythology in order to validate their identity and especially political (and territorial, subsequently) claims, will dislike any possible historiographical paradigm that might upset that balance and throw their "our mythology is real history" notion out the window and downgrade it to what it should be; i.e. myths and legends based on half-truths and half-facts. That condition of having a mythology of hyperbole, symbolism and metaphor is quite normal, but few will achieve to sell those as factual and historical chronicles. Therefore, I am fascinated, and somewhat obsessed, with this skill set of achieving "magical thinking" among even objective masses and selling myth as history.
Armenians are historical (and moral/future again) holders of the Land of Ararat where, as Arpa says aptly, that “drunk landed his large ship” perhaps because his GPS didn’t take him to Sinai like he should have. You have to understand, the GPS system, that pigeon (ok, “white dove”) he launched, he liked Armenia probably. (Am I now re-editing the story? Hey, is that not also my prerogative?) Armenians, then, have the audacity to think that the Tapan landed on Mount Ararat, Massis, and then they go off into owning the Bible and so on. Jews probably get really upset and don’t say anything outright. They just say "you don't have a history." But, really, wouldn’t you be? “Hey Schmulik, what the &*%^$%* are these Minnai doing with our boat? Oy vey! I swear mother told me it landed on Sinai!”
You have to admit, it is fascinating.
Now, here's how my obsession began:
I am sure that you do know Berich Hrozny, a Jew "by birth" (as it is often said, but why? Was he an elephant “by death”?). I read an article by an archeology student, I think graduate student, at the University of Prague named Nshan Martirossyan who at the time was studying under Hrozny. Martirossyan was expressing puzzlement as to why Hrozny was so "adamantly against accepting the possibility that Hayassa can in fact be the same Hay ethnonym." After reading this, I, too, was in "puzzlement" (Yul Brynner, _The King and I_, my favorite.)
Needless to say, my puzzlement soon grew to become keen interest. And then interest became a full time obsession. The problem with this obsession is that the more you dig, the more dirt seems to surface, thus perpetuating itself as an obsession. It is rather a sad commentary on things if every bad suspicion turns out to be right, and yet you find that there’s even more to the story.
So far we have found, as much as we are reluctant to find:
- Tala’at Mausoleum that has a six pointed star, which confirms Rafael de Nogales’ comments on Tala’at about the latter having been a “rogue Jew.”
- Emanuel Carasso/Karasu’s involvement in the attempt to bribe Hamid to acquire Palestine and then the return of Karasu during Hamid’s abdication.
- Then we have this weird “coincidence” of the “sabbataean” identity of Mustafa Kemal.
The list is quite large, and it is growing (with current Armenian Republic political figures included). Even the Israeli author, Auron, about whom I am sure you’ve discussed, has mentioned that the Sephards were right there alongside the muslim Turks, especially in Smyrna, killing and looting.
is that a good answer?
Edited by hagopn, 31 January 2014 - 08:56 PM.