Armenians Without Ian Last Names....
#1
Posted 23 September 2003 - 06:08 PM
If ur confused my last name is Rizvi and my mom's is Kirakosian.
And I was wondering if any of u don't have IAN last names.
#2
Posted 23 September 2003 - 06:22 PM
Nice to meet you! I'm Moonahye (i.e. from the Moon, not to be confused with the sect:)
Yo-Ho-Ho and a bottle of Rum....
#3
Posted 23 September 2003 - 08:38 PM
Welcome to Hye Forum
#4
Posted 23 September 2003 - 10:37 PM
But Kirakosian is an Armenian name and I fully understand why you wouldn't want that to be your last name in Iran That basically is as bad as it gets in Farsi.
Welcome to the forum!
#5
Posted 24 September 2003 - 07:47 AM
Shame on you Sip!!"syed rizvi" is not an armenian last name so obviously it doesn't have the "ian". As far as I know "Syed" is used to denote descendent of the prophet mohammad or something. It has some religous connotation but it's a pretty common prefix (as I have seen it a lot).
But Kirakosian is an Armenian name and I fully understand why you wouldn't want that to be your last name in Iran That basically is as bad as it gets in Farsi.
Welcome to the forum!
Having a surname like Kirakosian in Persia is like having a surname like Pusdikian in America.
Many have amended it.
On a more serious note, "syed" is from the Arabic "sayyed", which is often abbreviated to read "seed/seedi" to mean "lord/my lord"/master" which the Pakistanis and other Indian Muslims have adapted to fit in their names. It is still used in Arabic speaking cultures as a term of respect, i.e seedi, my lord, just like the Armenian Ter or Tiar.
As to "rizvi", it sounds like a person from a certain place. Is there a place called "rizv"?
Syed/sid has even penetrated European culture. Does anybody remember the Movie
about the Spanish Moor called El Cid?
#6
Posted 24 September 2003 - 07:53 AM
http://www.legends.d...ladins/cid.html
#7
Posted 24 September 2003 - 08:00 AM
#8
Posted 24 September 2003 - 09:00 AM
#9
Posted 26 September 2003 - 06:48 PM
Syed is actually arabic? I thought it was Persian....Shame on you Sip!!
Having a surname like Kirakosian in Persia is like having a surname like Pusdikian in America.
Many have amended it.
On a more serious note, "syed" is from the Arabic "sayyed", which is often abbreviated to read "seed/seedi" to mean "lord/my lord"/master" which the Pakistanis and other Indian Muslims have adapted to fit in their names. It is still used in Arabic speaking cultures as a term of respect, i.e seedi, my lord, just like the Armenian Ter or Tiar.
As to "rizvi", it sounds like a person from a certain place. Is there a place called "rizv"?
Syed/sid has even penetrated European culture. Does anybody remember the Movie
about the Spanish Moor called El Cid?
I also forgot to telll you guys that I am a muslim because I was raised in
IRAN, but my grandma always tells me "Papat, Kesi Geghtot Turkeren Anun a Tuh'vel" and I always laugh at that.
Oh you know whats also funny? You know how armo grandparents
would talk bad about Turkish people and turn around and speak turkish
when they are arguing.
#10
Posted 26 September 2003 - 07:39 PM
I was at a wedding about 6 months ago and one of the guests had brought a baby and one of the elder ladies inside the church said "MashAlah lave metatsela". And if I am not mistaken Mashalat is turkish for "something Allah". It just struck me really weird that they would praise allah in armenian church.
#11
Posted 26 September 2003 - 07:52 PM
#12
Posted 26 September 2003 - 08:01 PM
As to using Allah in a Christian church, go to Armenian church in Istanbul and see what word they use to describe Astvats in their sermons delivered in the Turkish language, or a Christian church where the language is Arabic. Allah is a common noun now whereas before Islam it was the proper name of a specific deity just as Astuas used to be the proper name of an Armenian (main)god and now it is a common noun to mean God, anybody's God be it Christian Moslem or other.
Edited by Arpa, 06 January 2004 - 02:16 PM.
#13
Posted 26 September 2003 - 08:05 PM
I don't understand: why would you want to hide your ''armeniannesss''?
From what I know, armenians without ''ian'' removed it during the Genocide in order to hide the fact that they were armenian (hoping that they'd survive this way). But, now that your life is not threatened, it's a shame that you want to "hide" it?
Having the ian allows us to recognize each other. Suppose, for instance, that you call your bank and the guy serving you is armenian. How would he know that you are armenian? Both of you are speaking english.
#14
Posted 26 September 2003 - 08:08 PM
Thank you
#15
Posted 26 September 2003 - 08:17 PM
Exactly.Azat, I think it comes from Arabic. If I'm not mistaken, it's something like "whatever god wants" or something. There is another very common one "Inshalla" which is more used when you hope god will do something (god willing).
Ironically the two phrases are antitheses of sach other, they are both based on the middle syllable "sha'", to will.
Whereas insha'Allah means God willing, the other, in a twisted way means "may God not will" (that something bad happen), with the negative "ma" priefix it is almost like rubbing ones' vorik when a compliment is given so as to propect from evil eye. In other words when one says "mashallah inch siroun erekha e" , it actually means "God forbid" that something bad happens to this beautiful baby.
#16
Posted 26 September 2003 - 08:21 PM
If you want a IAN, I will give you one.I don't have a IAN name either.
Sorry just jocking, I could not stop myself replying to that.
#17
Posted 27 September 2003 - 12:44 AM
#18
Posted 17 October 2003 - 06:14 PM
Agassi / Agazzi may also be like that (like Andre Agassi the tennis player, or the semi-famous Agazzi who is a producer in Hollywood).
#19
Posted 01 December 2003 - 09:04 PM
#20
Posted 02 January 2004 - 01:37 AM
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