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#1 armeniangirl83

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Posted 09 March 2001 - 12:38 PM

Know anybody the group HKIS from the UK? They tours over the world to give concerts. I was never on a concert of them, but i have bought a cd. The music is good, that's mine opinion. I can't understand what they say, because i don't understand armenians,unfortunately.
Go to them page: www.hokis.co.uk

You can watch little films, from armenian friends from all over the world!! :p

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Posted 09 March 2001 - 08:45 AM

Welcome AG83!

I like Hokis. Especially "Dariner Antsni." The phone calls get old though (I had someone roughly translate for me).

They recently played in Los Angeles. I was going to go until I saw their appearance at the AMA. Sounded horrible! Hip hop seldom sound good live anyway, I guess.

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Posted 09 March 2001 - 10:17 AM

Never heard them (yet), only read an article (AIM-Hratch Tchilingirian) abot their ''art'', which wasn't encouraging.

For me songs must have poetic atmosphere and musics must give some inspiration...

-Datevik (any time)
-Rayissa (specially her new songs)
-All work of Robert Amirkhanian
-Ruben Hakhverdian (for his synical lyric)
-Harout P. (who sometimes sings better than the ''original'' singer)
-Arthur Mesjian (philosophic approach-but not all the time)
-Armenag Shahmouradian - for Sayat Nova's songs

- Noune Yessayan-NIET! I cannot hear her! She is very much fake!

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Posted 09 March 2001 - 04:23 PM

Whoever sings the opening to that song 'overprotective dad' needs to be shot. That's just my opinion.

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 12:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TigrannesIII:
Whoever sings the opening to that song 'overprotective dad' needs to be shot. That's just my opinion.

After hearing that song I was ready to break every single HOKIS CD that ever got produced. I don't think any Armenian with dignity and self-respect can listen to their music after hearing the lyrics of that horrible song.

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 01:42 AM

hello,

i have heard that overprotective dad not a good song is. I can't understand Armenians, so anybody have told to me.
The songs who i lik is karine and genocide.
And i like the music, i don't know what the text is saying.

oke, baay undefined undefined

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 04:54 AM

The only 2 good songs that I heard were KARUNE and GENocide.
I heard some comments to the overprotective Dad...well..gotta hear it myself so that I can judge

Actually I think Amenians need more modern music.Like rock, pop, hip-hop in Armenian.
We do belong to this planet, you know

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 05:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by TigrannesIII:
Whoever sings the opening to that song 'overprotective dad' needs to be shot. That's just my opinion.

Agree!

[ March 10, 2001: Message edited by: Artur ]

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 07:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Sulamita:
I don't think any Armenian with dignity and self-respect can listen to their music after hearing the lyrics of that horrible song.

Yikes, Aneta! I better check that song out a little closer!!!

[a few minutes later...]
OK, I now know which one that is (I've become terrible lately with song titles).

I'll trust your opinion that lyrically it's an abomination. Musically, it isn't so hot, either. In defense of the CD, it is a collaborative effort, so maybe just Rugged Expression (the rapper/producer of that track) is the offender.

Have you heard all of it???

[ March 10, 2001: Message edited by: Aghmug ]

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 07:23 AM

Aghjigs Respond to 'Overprotective Dad'
--Written by Maria Shakelian, Talyn Mirzakhanian & Maral Kojayan --
Hye Dghaknera

Mamman:
Agcheegs, mdeeg ureh
Hasgutseer vor garevor eh
Kdnal dgha muh vor oonee
Harkank, khelk yev madanee
Haroost ullaneh lav gullah
Paits amena garevoruh: togh Hye ullah!

Aghjiga:
Lseh maireeg, yes all goozem
Shnorkov, hye, dgha muh kdnem
Paits hye dghaneruh vor guh janchnam
Eerents shoorchuh ullam-neh shad gamuchnam

Nakh yev arach shad hbard eh
Guh gardzeh vor takavor eh
Guh gardzeh vor badeevuh guh veeravorvee
Yeteh aghchgah hed lav varvee

Yerp hedus guh khosee meedkeen mech meg pan
gah
Hedus ullaloo eencher guh khosdanah
"gllam seerov, vsdahelee, yev havadareem"
Paits achkert eenchoo ooreesh degh guh
bududeen?

Morut oton yerp guh kushess
Radio-een tsainuh guh partsratsness
Kezee gullah shad lav tass
Yerp hing daree-en khool tarnass

Pager-ut, Cellular-ut dapadet gakhvadz
Dsanrootyunuh vorut eh patsadz
Keesheruh arevagnotsut hakadz
Vosgee shughtan veezet gakhvadz

Nerss guh mudnass eenkzeenkut havnadz
Tegheen agranerovut eendzee guh jhubdas
Aynkan cigarette ess dskhadz
Vor agraneroot gesunen pttadz

Yerp kezee desnem, goozess vor haleem
Paits eeraganootyan mech, kezmeh guh kaneem
Guh gardzess vor mgan oonees
Ayt mgan cheh, paits lkhgadz meess

Keetud shad medz, yev marmeenut mazod
Peraned gookah basturma-ee hod
Aynkan sood guh khoseess, bedkt che
zarmanass
Eenchoo Pinocchio-een chap medz keet
goonehnass

Goodess koefte guh khmess oghee
Yertalen porut avelee gooree
Heduss guh khossees shad keenovtsadz
Yev achkerut all shad garmuradz
Eenchbess gurnam kezee loorchee arnel
Yerp noyneesg chess gurnar sheedag kalel?

Ooremun Mayrig, heemah guh dessness
Eenchoo Hye dgha tjhvar guh kdness
100-en meguh shnorkov gullah
Anor guh kdnam eesh Allah!

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 09:16 AM

Only decent hokis song is Genocide, and since I grabbed it off of Napster, I'm not helping them out.

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 07:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Aghmug:
I'll trust your opinion that lyrically it's an abomination. Musically, it isn't so hot, either. In defense of the CD, it is a collaborative effort, so maybe just Rugged Expression (the rapper/producer of that track) is the offender.

Have you heard all of it???

[ March 10, 2001: Message edited by: Aghmug ]


Rugged Expression (I did not even know he had a name) looks like a choban Do you know what that is? A SHEPHERD !!! When I saw him at the Armenian Music Awards I got the feeling he had just walked down from the mountains !!! He is a miserable excuse for anything (including a rapper)

Now, I have not listened to the whole CD (there are better things I can do with my money) but I did listen to a few of their songs which I downloaded from Napster. The only one I sort of liked was "Garun" (it was OK). I did not like the Genocide song too much.

Is "Overprotective Dad" on the CD? If it is the AMA committee members should be shot. I can't believe they could have nominated a CD with such a song for an ARMENIAN MUSIC AWARD.

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Posted 10 March 2001 - 08:12 PM

I haven't heard anything by them, but I am sure Sualmita is right.

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Posted 12 March 2001 - 05:10 AM

The "Overprotective Dad" song is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mama jan....I did not expect a thing like that from the UK Diaspora...

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Posted 12 March 2001 - 08:42 AM

Hey hey guys, hold on! Would someone PLEASE give me the lyrics in english , then I'll understand why everyone is getting so mad! Then I might even give MY opinion..

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 06:22 AM

Jes, kazza is right, i will also give mine opinion when anybody the songs says in english!
Oke baay

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Posted 14 March 2001 - 05:29 AM

Hye,

I am still trying to find the lyrics online in English...it is definatley not easy. But I've left this link to keep you amused until I find them.

I think It would either be good to read the lyrics in english, I hvae heard it is the most controversial song in the album. There's nothing wrong with controversy. Then I can discuss them with you...otherwise I can contribute!

Half Breed where are your armenian lessons when I need ??
http://www.hokis.co....nera_Lyrics.htm

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Posted 16 March 2001 - 12:07 AM

I came accross to this article posted by HOKIS (new volume) and wanted to share it with you. Comments will be welcomed.

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Let's be serious- do you see yourself with an Armenian? Does one of the qualifications for the guy or girl of your dreams happen to be that he or she is an Armo? It seems impossible to find someone who is everything you want AND Armenian. Look back at all of the people you have had a relationship with. Howmany of them were Armos? It's true; a lot of us around the world are turning to odars
when it comes to dating and the love scene. Why? Why don't all of us expect to marry an Armenian man or woman? We have to face the facts and take into consideration the blatant truth. With our community so spread throughout the Diaspora, it doesn't seem likely to date an Armo. It's easier to come across guys or girls who are the nationality of the place we live. It's likely to fall for odars when they lighly outnumber us.
Ask any Armenian girl, "How are the Armenian guys in your life?" I would bet you their clichéd automatic response would be, "What Armenian guys?" The sarcastic reply sounds so familiar. I think all us Armo girls, including myself, have heard and said that too many times to count. So where are all those sought-after, unseen Armenian guys? Well, they're somewhere. And they are readily looking for a "nice Armenian girl." It's possible that expression is even more overused. Girls say the guys are too possessive and controlling. Guys say the girls are too materialistic and gossipy.But fellow Armos, these are mostly stereotypes. Stop focusing on the negative and find the beautiful things like those "sev sev acher" and of course the incredible feeling of being with somebody who you can share your culture with!
Some people who have never even seriously thought of being with an Armenian guy
or girl consider it quite disturbing to actually be with one. The girls think that hearing guys speak in Armenian is a huge turnoff because it's like hearing their own fathers!
On the contrary, some people think it's a turn on. The sound of hayeren coming from
a guy's lips is sweet and hits the spot.
Getting further into the issue, views are very different, especially in the US for
example. This is what we know as type A: Armenian guys want a nice Armenian girl
for their future, but meanwhile they screw around with odars (for lack of better
phrasing). They say it's to respect the Armo girls as to not "ruin" them. "Ruin"? What century are we in? Some girls would rather believe that guys just can't control their physical "needs" so they go out with odar girls and convince them to put out. These odar girls have no idea that these guys have no intention of having meaningful relationships with them. They are then blamed and labeled sluts at the end for giving in. Well, of course this is not all of the guys. However, there's enough to be making a bad name for the rest of them.
Not long ago, I was enlightened with a new point of view - Type B: Armenian guys who mess around with Armenian girls and then end up marrying odars. Ok, what's better- type A or type B? It confuses the hell out of everyone. Most type A's seem to be hayastansis and most type B's seem to be spyurkahyer. Once again, there are plenty of Armenian guys who are not type A or type B. It's just that same old Mars and Venus story... From a guy's point of view, they don't want the "typical" Armo girl. The typical ones are obsessed with gossip and getting a guy with an expensive car and money falling out of their pockets. The females who aren't like those seem to be too independent-minded, and want to be domineering forces. They don't want serious
relationships, or only would because everyone is asking, "When are you going to get married?"
There's no doubt that Armenian parents pressure us to some degree to get involved
with an Armo rather than an odar. Whether you're 16 or 40, parents would internally
jump for joy if they know that you were going out with an Armenian. For those of us
who don't see what the big deal is, it makes no difference what they want. If you don't
value the Armenian culture, there's no way you're going to end up with an Armo.
Fortunately, there are many of us who actually hold high the meaning and significance of being with someone of our culture. Especially after having an at least semi-serious relationship with an Armo, it's hard to turn back. This is because you have gotten a taste of how priceless it is to be able to connect with someone on a cultural level when you're going out with them. Odars then seem a little bit like strangers in your eyes. It must be admitted that it becomes more difficult to bring oneself to fall for an odar after that. An absence is felt - most say - and there's a loss of connection with the person.
However, one bad experience with an Armo can turn someone off completely of having further relationships with Armenians. An unpleasant episode can surely scar someone and lead him or her to swear off of Armos. How many of the marriages you hear about lately are Armo-Armo? Mostly, it's Armo-odar. That's just the way it seems. It's also true that the longer your family has been living away from Armenia, the more likely it is that you'll date an odar. If you're the first or second generation, then there's a much higher chance of having your heart set on a dreamy Armenian man or woman. That may be the reason why so many more spyurkahyes rather than
hayastansis get occupied with odars.
One thing for sure is that Armos' views on the subject vary greatly from one person to
the next. Guys see it differently from girls, spyurkahyes from hayastansis, generation
from generation. Some of us think being with an Armo is the greatest thing, while others debate that it's just as good if they date an odar. Perhaps the best (and only) thing to do in this situation is whatever tickles your fancy. Feel more comfortable with an odar? Then that's your thing. Prefer an Armo? Then by all means, go for it!
Why not put your views across on this topic on the Hokis Discussion board?

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Posted 16 March 2001 - 12:14 AM

Dragon,
I think the article summarizes all sides of the issue very accurately.

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Posted 16 March 2001 - 12:53 AM

Really? is that what you think?

Anyway, thanks for the comment.

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