NOTES & COMMENTS
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Whenever I review our past I confess I can’t make any sense of it. So much suffering, so many defeats, tragedies, disasters, and victims. Also so many lessons unlearned, so many lies, so many blunders!
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Who defines a blunder? Surely not those who committed them. If it were up to them, they have done nothing wrong, all our defeats are moral victories, and anyone who says otherwise cannot be a patriotic Armenian.
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To how many of my young patriotic friends I could say: I am familiar with your line of reasoning because when I was your age I too was fed recycled crap.
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The very same people who prostitute an ideology or religion are also its most vocal defenders. That’s because power and money are thicker than politics and theology.
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The Armenian identity is such a vaguely defined and poorly understood concept that even Armenians who are no better than "Christian Turks" or "Turkish gypsies" feel qualified to brag about their superior brand of Armenianism.
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Armenians who are no better than "Christian Turks" or "Turkish gypsies": to whom do these terms relate? to armenians from Turkey?
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Posted 08 June 2001 - 10:18 AM
greeks call armenians
turkish gypsies,
and in turkey
armenians were known as
christian turks. / ara
turkish gypsies,
and in turkey
armenians were known as
christian turks. / ara
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Posted 08 June 2001 - 12:02 PM
I am an armenian who lives in Turkey. All I can say is you don't know what you are talking about. Armenians are called armenians here and hated as such. Even turks don't insult us as much as you do.
A question: is there any moderator here? or is Mr Baliozian a privileged person who can insult any armenian he wants?
A question: is there any moderator here? or is Mr Baliozian a privileged person who can insult any armenian he wants?
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Posted 09 June 2001 - 05:22 AM
i am inventing nothing;
just giving documented facts...
ara
just giving documented facts...
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Posted 09 June 2001 - 06:52 AM
p.s. to poetry
and you are not an armenian who lives in turkey,
you are a notorious charlatan who lives in glendale!
and you are not an armenian who lives in turkey,
you are a notorious charlatan who lives in glendale!
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Posted 09 June 2001 - 09:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ara baliozian:
p.s. to poetry
and you are not an armenian who lives in turkey,
you are a notorious charlatan who lives in glendale!
Originally posted by ara baliozian:
p.s. to poetry
and you are not an armenian who lives in turkey,
you are a notorious charlatan who lives in glendale!
Ara
please refrain from personalizitations and name calling. I don't know how do you decide who is from where but Poetry is working from Turkey.
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Posted 09 June 2001 - 10:44 AM
Yes, I still do live in Turkey and let me tell you I don't know where you get this info about armenians being called christian turks but it's WRONG. Sometimes they call assyrians and newely converted turks into Christianity(there is a tiny minority) 'christian turks' but armenians are never called 'christian turks'. This is wrong. They call us (officially) local foreigners to distinguish us from turks themselves and give us a status of secondary citizen(I saw myself a cubboard in the security department on which it was written local foreigners and I was a bit shocked actually). The population itself calls us 'gavoor' that is 'unfaithful' and they claim this is no insult and is just a word used for foreigners. Ara jan you are not well documented, obviously.
I don't know what you are trying to do... In another forum I saw you were slamming the divison among political parties here you are insulting a portion of the armenian population. Is this how you propose to unite? Are you an anarchist(which I wouldn't see as a problem) or an agent provocateur trying to make us speak up our minds ...to be honest I haven't figured it out yet.
I don't know what you are trying to do... In another forum I saw you were slamming the divison among political parties here you are insulting a portion of the armenian population. Is this how you propose to unite? Are you an anarchist(which I wouldn't see as a problem) or an agent provocateur trying to make us speak up our minds ...to be honest I haven't figured it out yet.
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the terms 'local foreigner' or 'gavoor' apply to armenians, greeks and jews
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Posted 09 June 2001 - 11:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by poetry:
Yes, I still do live in Turkey and let me tell you I don't know where you get this info about armenians being called christian turks but it's WRONG. Sometimes they call assyrians and newely converted turks into Christianity(there is a tiny minority) 'christian turks' but armenians are never called 'christian turks'. This is wrong. They call us (officially) local foreigners to distinguish us from turks themselves and give us a status of secondary citizen(I saw myself a cubboard in the security department on which it was written local foreigners and I was a bit shocked actually). The population itself calls us 'gavoor' that is 'unfaithful' and they claim this is no insult and is just a word used for foreigners. Ara jan you are not well documented, obviously.
I don't know what you are trying to do... In another forum I saw you were slamming the divison among political parties here you are insulting a portion of the armenian population. Is this how you propose to unite? Are you an anarchist(which I wouldn't see as a problem) or an agent provocateur trying to make us speak up our minds ...to be honest I haven't figured it out yet.
Originally posted by poetry:
Yes, I still do live in Turkey and let me tell you I don't know where you get this info about armenians being called christian turks but it's WRONG. Sometimes they call assyrians and newely converted turks into Christianity(there is a tiny minority) 'christian turks' but armenians are never called 'christian turks'. This is wrong. They call us (officially) local foreigners to distinguish us from turks themselves and give us a status of secondary citizen(I saw myself a cubboard in the security department on which it was written local foreigners and I was a bit shocked actually). The population itself calls us 'gavoor' that is 'unfaithful' and they claim this is no insult and is just a word used for foreigners. Ara jan you are not well documented, obviously.
I don't know what you are trying to do... In another forum I saw you were slamming the divison among political parties here you are insulting a portion of the armenian population. Is this how you propose to unite? Are you an anarchist(which I wouldn't see as a problem) or an agent provocateur trying to make us speak up our minds ...to be honest I haven't figured it out yet.
Ijust can guess...
May be , ara, meant those statistical infos that you can find in many reference sites. Like "turkish christians form 1% of Turkey's population". It's never precised who are those christians: greeks? turks? armenians? assirians?
After all it doesn't matter for me! I care less about religion issue...
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