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#21 DominO

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE (phantom22 @ Nov 23 2005, 03:15 AM)
Hey sSebB,

Did Jesus live in a palace in Rome? Did Jesus wear fine slken garments? Did Jesus advocate killing leaders of foreign lands that he didn't agree with such as the Venezuelan leader? You think that what these so-called Christians are doing around the world is walking in the steps of Jesus? Perhaps you are seeing the world upside down there in "down under."


What the heck? Jesus has many palace, with very powerfull computers his father his paying for him to simulate us and simulate all the obstacles he program to get our lives as mortals miserable. biggrin.gif

Edited by QueBeceR, 23 November 2005 - 01:55 PM.


#22 Armat

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 10:02 PM

Could all this religions be as simple as the fear of dying?
Zen is no religion and knows no fear,no heaven,no hell,no people with wings etc.
Sometimes people justify it as a source for morality.Really?Does someone needs to worship something to be honest?open minded?generous?

#23 phantom22

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 10:45 PM

QUOTE (QueBeceR @ Nov 23 2005, 01:55 PM)
What the heck? Jesus has many palace, with very powerfull computers his father his paying for him to simulate us and simulate all the obstacles he program to get our lives as mortals miserable. biggrin.gif



Domino,

Domino you are a genius. I think you have the big answer. You made me remember that I have often wondered if our lives are just an obstacle course set up to see how well we do given the problems we face.

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 12:31 AM

QUOTE (QueBeceR @ Nov 23 2005, 11:55 PM)
What the heck? Jesus has many palace, with very powerfull computers his father his paying for him to simulate us and simulate all the obstacles he program to get our lives as mortals miserable. biggrin.gif



There is no spoon

#25 Zartonk

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 07:58 PM

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Does someone needs to worship something to be honest?open minded?generous?


Armat,

I salute you.

#26 Sasun

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE (Armat @ Nov 23 2005, 11:02 PM)
Could all this religions be as simple as the fear of dying?
Zen is no religion and knows no fear,no heaven,no hell,no people with wings etc.
Sometimes people justify it as a source for morality.Really?Does someone needs to worship something to be honest?open minded?generous?

Armat, actually religions are a major source of morality. If you think about it all moral codes in all societies have their roots in their respective religions. Having said that, of course one does not need to be religious to be moral. However, as a general rule, if one is sincerely religious then he/she will tend to be adhering to morality stronger than his/her non-religious fellows.

#27 Armat

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Sasun @ Nov 24 2005, 09:50 PM)
Armat, actually religions are a major source of morality. If you think about it all moral codes in all societies have their roots in their respective religions. Having said that, of course one does not need to be religious to be moral. However, as a general rule, if one is sincerely religious then he/she will tend to be adhering to morality stronger than his/her non-religious fellows.

Sasun
If you take two opposites of any religion even within the same faith you'll see that morality plays very little in their hatred of each other.
Muslims vs Christians Catholic vs Orthodox, Shite VS sunny etc. etc. You are right only If those people are sincere in their practice which is a rare human attribute. People who follow anything blindly have the potential to commit the biggest crimes since we are referring to machines and not spiritual beings.

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 12:48 AM

QUOTE (Sasun @ Nov 24 2005, 06:50 PM)
However, as a general rule, if one is sincerely religious then he/she will tend to be adhering to morality stronger than his/her non-religious fellows.

Sasun, what does it mean to be sincerely religious?

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 07:17 AM

http://bibleprobe.co...fromthedead.htm

very interesting..very.. msn-wink.gif

#30 Eloren

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 07:56 AM

QUOTE (sSebB @ Nov 26 2005, 05:17 PM)


What does it say?

Sorry can't read, my provider blocks/censors the site mad.gif

#31 Azat

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 11:31 AM

when people find oyt that i'm atheist they start to question my morality and ethics and to me it goes to show how brainwashed they are.

#32 Sasun

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE (anoushik @ Nov 26 2005, 01:48 AM)
Sasun, what does it mean to be sincerely religious?

It means to be truly devoted to ones religion and the teachings of the scriptures of that religion - not in letter but in spirit and true meaning. It means not to be a hypocrit, not a ceremonial church or temple goer and who sermonizes things that he/she does not actually practice. It also means that one recognizes his/her moral shortomings and really makes effort to change his/her nature towards good. Also, someone who is not attached to dogmas, someone who respects other people's beliefs and practices, someone who helps fellow human beings by all means that he/she can, someone who does not look down to anyone but is serviceful towards all, etc... I could add more stuff but I think you get the idea. This is my understanding. I bet someone will disagree.

#33 Sasun

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (sSebB @ Nov 26 2005, 08:17 AM)

I don't believe in that wink.gif

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 05:32 PM

QUOTE (Sasun @ Nov 27 2005, 05:03 AM)
I don't believe in that wink.gif


lol why not?

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when people find oyt that i'm atheist they start to question my morality and ethics and to me it goes to show how brainwashed they are.


I'd rather die than be an atheist. What the hell are you on earth for?

#35 Azat

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 05:54 PM

QUOTE (sSebB @ Nov 26 2005, 03:32 PM)
lol why not?
I'd rather die than be an atheist. What the hell are you on earth for?


To make fun of brainwashed people who believe in fairy tales

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE (Azat @ Nov 27 2005, 09:54 AM)
To make fun of brainwashed people who believe in fairy tales


I pity you. I guess you believe in the creation of earth and man was by a 'big bang'. I say ur brainwashed.

#37 Zartonk

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 06:47 PM

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I pity you. I guess you believe in the creation of earth and man was by a 'big bang'. I say ur brainwashed.



Seb,

Let's get one thing straight: Supporting the Big Bang does NOT signify one's Atheism. It is simply accepting a view of existence based on evidence instead of speculation. It is Reason over probable myth. And if you are against this theory of science , what is your belief on how the Universe and Life came to be?

An Earth of 10,000 years..? Human supremecy and centrality? Divine Breath of Birth..?

Thanks

Edited by Zartonk, 26 November 2005 - 06:57 PM.


#38 Azat

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE (sSebB @ Nov 26 2005, 04:05 PM)
I pity you. I guess you believe in the creation of earth and man was by a 'big bang'. I say ur brainwashed.

You have to pity me and feel sorry for me and try to convert me as you are a true christian.

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE (Azat @ Nov 27 2005, 10:56 AM)
You have to pity me and feel sorry for me and try to convert me as you are a true christian.


It's your life...

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 09:06 PM

I also don't like people who question others' morality and ethics because of their believes: some christians have been forcing me to read the book and praise Christ in order to get to heaven wink.gif

Yes, Big Bang theory makes more sense than the writings in the Bible...




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