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#1 Yervant1

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:11 AM

Let me guess! Election in the air. ;) What a spineless hypocrite. He has seen US presidents do it and get away with it every single time why not him. I guess this says a lot about us as well. :(


FRANCE URGES TURKEY TO RECOGNIZE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

Ynetnews
http://www.ynetnews....4132548,00.html
Oct 7 2011
Israel

Published: 10.07.11, 11:44 / Israel News

French President Nicolas Sarkozy has urged Turkey to recognize the
1915 massacre of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as genocide. Sarkozy
told Friday's news conference in the Armenian capital that Turkey's
refusal to do so would force France to change its law and make such
denial a criminal offense.

The killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire
has been the main barrier to reconciliation with Turkey. Armenians
have long fought to persuade other governments to call the killings
a genocide. Turkey rejects the label and says the death toll is
inflated. (AP)



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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:22 AM

TURKEY INDIGNANT OVER SARKOZY'S STATEMENT ON ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

PanARMENIAN.Net
October 7, 2011 - 17:39 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - Turkey said France should "confront its colonial
past before giving lessons to others on how to face history," in
an angry response Friday, October 7, to a call by President Nicolas
Sarkozy for Ankara to recognize the 1915 Armenian Genocide.

Sarkozy, in Armenia Thursday, challenged Turkey - which is
seeking membership of the European Union - to face up to its past
and threatened to pass a law in France that would make denying the
Genocide a crime.

"Collective negation is a more serious problem than an individual one.

Unless Turkey follows the suit of other great nations in recognizing
the Armenian Genocide before yearend, France will take serious steps,
including criminalization of Genocide denial," Mr. Sarkozy said.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told a news conference:
"Those who will not be able to face their own history for having
carried out colonialism for centuries, for treating foreigners as
second-class people, do not have the right to teach Turkey a history
lesson or call for Turkey to face its history."

Davutoglu said Turkey and Armenia "were working together on ways to
normalize ties and Sarkozy's comments would have a negative impact
on reconciliation efforts," Reuters reports.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:36 AM

ANKARA SLAMS SARKOZY FOR GENOCIDE RECOGNITION CLAIMS

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07.10.11

Turkey's Minister for European Integration Egemen Bagish has slammed
French President's recent remarks on the Armenian Genocide recognition.

According to the Turkish news agency Cihan, Bagish has criticized
Nicolas Sarkozy for assuming the role of a historian.

"Both Europe and France, and the entire world would gain more benefits
if Sarkozy thought about the EU's future instead of acting as a
historian," the Turkish official said, characterizing the French
leader's move as a speculation ahead of his presidential campaign.

Visiting the Armenian Genocide memorial in Yerevan's Tsitsernakaberd
Park on Thursday, Sarkozy said his country would adopt the bill
penalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide, in case Turkey refuses
to admit the historical fact.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:44 AM

"Armenian brothers" last time I checked Armenian was used as an insult in Turkey not brother. Lying SOB.



SARKOZY WOULD BETTER LOOK HIMSELF IN THE MIRROR - DAVUOGLU

Tert.am
07.10.11

The Turkish authorities keep slamming French President Nicolas Sarkozy
for statement on the Armenian Genocide.

According to Anadolu new agency, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has
voiced strong criticism over Sarkozy's call for Genocide recognition.

Instead of urging Turkey to challenge its history, the French president
would better look himself in the mirror, Davutoglu said, addressing
Sarkozy's statement in Yerevan.

Davutoglu said the French leader's posture negatively affects the
Armenia-Turkey rapprochement.

"The countries which implemented colonial policies in the past and
whose authorities permanently kept aloof of the society, considering
citizens lower class representatives do not have the right to advise
Turkey to face its history," he said. "Turkey faces its history and
its past, so we do not have any problem with that. Our history shows
that the Armenians and Turks co-existed for centuries, living in
the same towns and districts, and even sharing the same culture. By
saying Turkish architecture, we also mean our Armenian brothers'
legacy in its development."

The Turkish official called on France to face its own history to
promote world peace.

Earlier, Turkey's EU Integration Minister Egemen Bagish had criticized
Sarkozy's statement.



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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:46 PM

http://www.hurriyetd...arks-2011-10-07
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France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy (L) and Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliev speak, next to Azerbaijan’s first lady Mehriban Aliyeva ®, on the balcony in Baku. AFP photo
Relations between Turkey and France could be headed for a new crisis after French President Nicolas Sarkozy suggested his government could pass a bill criminalizing any denial of Armenian genocide claims, drawing a swift reaction from Ankara.

Turkish Ambassador to Paris Tahsin Burcuoğlu will visit the French Foreign Ministry on Oct. 8 to lodge Ankara’s protest regarding Sarkozy’s comments, the Hürriyet Daily News has learned.

The development came on the same day the interior ministers of Turkey and France signed an important agreement on the fight against terror and organized crime, but the deal has been overshadowed by the eruption of the diplomatic crisis.

Sarkozy, who is currently on a Caucasus tour, visited Armenia on Oct. 6 and urged Turkey to “revisit its history” over the killings of hundreds of thousands Armenians during the waning days of the Ottoman Empire.

If Turkey does not recognize the genocide claims and step toward reconciliation, the French president said he would consider proposing the adoption of a law criminalizing the denial of the killings as genocide. An earlier attempt by the French government was rejected by the French Senate in 2009.

Sarkozy intimated that Turkey should make the recognition before the end of his mandate in May next year.

France should face on past, Ankara says

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu instructed Burcuoğlu to express Ankara’s feelings and opinions in a strongly worded message to his French counterpart.

Alongside the diplomatic protest, senior members of the Turkish government harshly criticized Sarkozy’s stance and urged France to confront its colonial past before giving lessons to others.

“Those who will not be able to face their own history for having carried out colonialism for centuries, for treating foreigners as second-class people, do not have the right to teach Turkey a history lesson or call for Turkey to face its history. It will be very beneficial if France confronts its own history, particularly with African nations,” Davutoğlu told reporters Oct. 7.

Turkey could face its own history, but it is also a history of Turks and Armenians living together, Davutoğlu said.

“I consider such remarks [by Sarkozy] as political opportunism, and unfortunately such political opportunism is seen in Europe whenever there is an upcoming election,” Davutoğlu said.

Turkish EU Minister Egemen Bağış also criticized Sarkozy, saying the president would do better to concern himself with extricating France from its economic crisis rather than play historian on the Armenian question. “Our mission, as politicians, is not to define the past or past events. It is to define the future,” he was quoted as saying by Anatolia news agency during a visit to Sarajevo.

‘Turkey does not belong in EU’

During his visit to Tbilisi on his tour, Sarkozy reiterated his opposition to Turkey’s accession to the European Union. “France does not see this country [Turkey] in the EU,” he said.

“Turkey has an important role in the world as it has been located in Asia Minor and is a bridge between West and East. But this role [of Turkey] does not cover the EU,” he said.

In the last leg of his Caucasus tour, Sarkozy visited Azerbaijan, a close ally of Turkey, from where he received a cold shoulder for his views on the genocide claims.

Ali Hasanov, a senior official at the Azerbaijani Presidency, said his country did not share Sarkozy’s views on the 1915 incidents, Anatolia reported.

Recalling that Turkey and Azerbaijan’s regional interests were similar, Hasanov said they hoped Sarkozy’s visit would help speed up efforts to solve the Nagorno-Karabkh dispute with Armenia.

Friday, October 7, 2011

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:04 AM

Sarkozy sought to win Armenians' sympathy ahead of presidential race - Komersant
13:03 - 08.10.11


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French President Nicolas Sarkozy's visit to Yerevan can be
characterized as nothing more than an attempt to gain the
French-Armenians' sympathy ahead of the presidential election in
France, a Russian analyst has said.

In an interview with the Komersant newspaper, Sergei Strokan spoke of
Sarkozy's diminishing popularity in France, considering his visit to
Yerevan an important part of his South Caucasus tour.

"Nicolas Sarkozy, whose reputation has dropped to 26% and who is going
to struggle for re-election in next year's presidential campaign,
began a tour to the South Caucasus, with the visit to Yerevan being a
key element of his initiative. And the most important thing for him
was to win the votes of the Armenian Diaspora," he said, adding that
the French leader's recent statement on the Armenia genocide was
mostly targeted to the electorate in his country, rather than Armenia
and Turkey per se.

As for the Turkish authorities criticism over the statement, the
expert noted that Sarkozy urges Turkey to do something that his
country has not implemented so far.

"As a matter of fact, the topic of the Armenian Genocide is very
complicated and ambiguous," Strokan said, emphasizing that France has
not fully acknowledged the Genocide. "The lower house of the French
parliament has recognized the fact of the Genocide, but the upper
house has not done so. So Sarkozy is calling on Turkey to do something
his country has not fully implemented so far."

Asked whether Sarkozy managed to gain the sympathy of Yerevan, he
said: "He did win the sympathy of Yerevan but let me note that his
principal target was the voter. But the latter's response will be
moderate as the French electorate is sensible enough to be cheated
easily."



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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:20 AM

Serge Sarkizy for president of France and Nicoghos Sarkozian president of Armenia. :)

Edited by Arpa, 09 October 2011 - 08:25 AM.


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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:02 AM

Serge Sarkizy for president of France and Nicoghos Sarkozian president of Armenia. :)



Very creative of you Arpa:) If they can switch....lets say for a period of one year, or better for 10 years.:)

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 11:13 AM

Huffington Post
Jan 3 2012


On the Armenian Genocide: The Response of a Handful of Historians

Bernard-Henri Lévy.French philosopher; Writer

Are these people really incapable of comprehending? Or are they just
pretending not to understand?

The law whose purpose is to penalize negationist revisionism, voted
before Christmas by the French parliament, does not propose to write
history in the place of historians. And this for the simple reason
that this history has been told and written, well written, for a long
time. This we have always known: that, beginning in 1915, the
Armenians were the victims of a methodic attempt at annihilation. A
wealth of literature has been devoted to the subject, based in
particular upon the confessions offered by the Turkish criminals
themselves, starting with Hoca Ilyas Sami, almost immediately after
the fact. From Yehuda Bauer to Raul Hilberg, from researchers at Yad
Vashem to Yves Ternon and others, no serious historian casts doubt
upon this reality or denies it. In other words, this law has nothing
to do with the will to establish a truth of state. No representative
of the French National Assembly who voted for it saw himself as a
substitute for historians or their work. Together, they only intended
to recall this simple right, that of each of us not to be publicly
attacked -- and its corollary, the right to demand reparations for
this particularly outrageous offense which is the insult to the memory
of the dead. It is a question of law, not one of history.

Presenting this law as one that denies liberty, one likely to hamper
the work of historians is another strange argument that makes one
wonder. It is the negationist revisionists who, up until now, have
hampered the work of historians. It is their mad ideas, their
hare-brained concepts, their twisting of facts, their terrifying and
breathtaking lies that shake the earth upon which, in principle, a
science should be built. And in punishing them, making their task more
complicated, alerting the public that it is dealing not with scholars
but with those who would enflame minds, that the law protects and
shelters history. Is there one historian who has been prevented from
working on the Shoah by the Gayssot law punishing denial of the
Holocaust? Is there one author who, in good conscience, can claim that
it has limited his freedom to do research and to raise questions? And
isn't it clear that the only ones this law has seriously hindered are
the Faurissons, the Irvings, and the other Le Pens? Well, the same
applies to the genocide of the Armenians. This law, when the Senate
will have ratified it, will be a stroke of fortune for historians, who
can finally work in peace. Unless... Yes, unless those who oppose the
law express this other, cloudier reservation: that it would be a bit
premature to come to a conclusion, precisely and for nearly a century,
of "genocide".

Some still say, isn't there some other way than the law to intimidate
the "assassins on paper"? And hasn't the truth in itself, in its
starkness and its rigour, the means to defend itself and to triumph
over those who would deny it? It is a vast debate, one which has been
discussed, in parenthesis, since the origins of philosophy. And to
which one adds, in the case at hand, a specific parameter stating
that, when in doubt, it is prudent to make sure one is backed up by
the law. This parameter is the negationist revisionism of the Turkish
State. And this specificity is that the negationists there are not
just a vague bunch of cranks, but people who are supported by
resources, diplomacy, the capacity for blackmail and retaliation of a
powerful State. Imagine the situation of the survivors of the Shoah
had the German State been a negationist State after the war. Imagine
the immensity of their additional distress and anger had they been
confronted, not with a sect of loonies, but with an unrepentant
Germany that brought pressure upon their partners by threatening them
with angry retaliation should they call the extermination of the Jews
at Auschwitz genocide. It is, mutatis mutandis, the situation of the
Armenians. And that is also why they have the right to a law.

And finally, I would add that it's time to stop mixing everything up
and drowning the Armenian tragedy in the ritualized blahblahblah
assailing the "memorial laws". For this law is not a memorial law. It
is not one of those dangerous power plays capable of laying the path
for dozens if not hundreds of absurd or blackguardly rules, codifying
what one has the right to say about the Saint Bartholomew's Day
massacre, the meaning of colonization, slavery, the Civil War, the
misdemeanor of blasphemy and heaven knows what else. It is a law
concerning a genocide -- which is not the same. It is a law
sanctioning those who, in denying it, intensify and perpetuate the
genocidal act -- which is something else entirely. There are not,
thank God, hundreds of genocides, or even dozens. There are three.
Four, if we add the Cambodians to the Armenians, the Jews, and the
Rwandans. And to place these three or four genocides on the same level
as all the rest, to make their penalization the antechamber of a
political correctness that authorizes a stream of useless or perverse
laws on the disputed aspects of our national memory, to say, "Watch
it! You're opening a Pandora's box from which everything and anything
can pop out !" is another imbecility, exacerbated by another infamy
and sealed with a dishonesty that is, really, grotesque.

Let us confront this specious line of argument with the wisdom of
national representation. And may the senators complete the process by
refusing to be intimidated by this little band of historians.



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Posted 05 January 2012 - 09:19 AM

Public Radio, Armenia
Jan 4 2012


French Senate to vote on Armenian genocide law this month
04.01.2012 16:42

France's upper house of parliament will vote this month on a bill to
outlaw denial of the Armenian genocide, a government official told
AFP, despite a furious diplomatic spat with Turkey.

The French lower house approved the law last month, threatening anyone
who denies that the 1915 massacre of Armenians by Ottoman Turk forces
amounted to genocide with jail, drawing a threat of sanctions from
Turkey.

Ankara froze political and military ties with France when the bill was
passed by the National Assembly, and has threatened further measures
if it continues through the Senate or is approved by President Nicolas
Sarkozy.

France recognised the killings as a genocide in 2001, but the new bill
would punish anyone who denies this with a year in jail and a fine of
45,000 euros.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 03:28 PM

Minutes ago the French senate approved the genocide denial bill and it will be a law when Sarkozy signs it.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 03:48 PM

French senate backs Armenia genocide bill


PARIS | Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:34pm EST

PARIS (Reuters) - France's upper house of parliament approved a bill on Monday that would make it a criminal offence to deny genocide, legislation that has caused tension between Paris and Ankara.

The bill, which was approved by the lower house in December, has triggered outrage in Turkey as it would include the 1915 mass killing of Armenians in Ottomon Turkey.

The text will now be put to President Nicolas Sarkozy who should approve it before parliament takes a break at the end of February ahead of the presidential election.

(Reporting By John Irish)

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:33 PM

chgitem urraxanam te latsem...

hognel em .... im tsav@ im azgi xndir@ urishneri dzerqin xaghaliq lineluts...

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:10 PM

«Զարթնիր լաո, մեռնիմ քզի» Ֆրանսիա Սենատ

Ցեղասպանության ժխտողականության պատժամիջոցի օրենքը ընդունելուց անմիջապես հետո

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Devant le Senat, adoption de la loi pénalisant la négation du génocide arménien.


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Ֆրանսիայի հայ համայնքի ներկայացուցիչները ակցիա էին կազմակերպել Սենատի շենքի առջեւ: Նրանք իրենց աջակցությունն էին հայտնում Ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը քրեականացնող օրինագծին: Այս մասին NEWS.am-ի թղթակցի հետ հարցազրույցում հայտնեց Ֆրանսիայի Ռոն-Ալպեր տարածքային պատգամավոր Հիլդա Չոբոյանը: Նրա խոսքով՝ ակցիային մասնակցում էին թե՛ Ֆրանսիայի հայ համայնքի անդամներ, եւ թե Ֆրանսիայի այլազգի քաղաքցիներ: «Նույն տարածքում, միայն թե շենքի հակառակ կողմից բողոքի ակցիա էին կազմակերպել թուրքերը, բայց նրանք, շատ քիչ քանակությամբ մարդկանց էին կարողացել համախբել»,- ասաց նա:

Ըստ Չոբոյանի՝ օրենքի նախագծի ընդունումը մեծ ոգեւորությամբ ընդունվեց համայնքի կողմից, եւ մինչեւ այժմ հատկապես երիտասարդները տոնում են այդ պատմական օրենքի ընդունումը Սենատի մոտ:

Անդչադառնալով՝ օրենքի ընդունման կարեւորությանը, հայազգի պատգամավորը նշեց, որ դա ամբողջ աշխարհում ապրող հայերի հաղթանակն է: «Ես կարծում եմ, որ բոլոր այն եվրոպական երկրները, որոնք ընդունել են Հայոց ցեղասպանությունը, պետք է հետեւեն Ֆրանսիայի օրինակին, եւ քրեականացնեն դրա ժխտումը»,- ընդգծեց Չոբոյանը՝ ավելացնելով, որ այս օրենքի ընդունումը դրականորեն կազդի Թուրքիայում խոսքի ազատության իրավիճակի վրա: «Ես վստահ եմ, որ արդեն մի քանի տարի հետո Թուրքիայում մարդիկ կարող են ավելի ազատորեն խոսել Հայոց ցեղասպանության մասին, քան այժմ: Այն տաբուն, որ այժմ առկա է Թուրքիայում այս թեմայի նկատմամբ, թուլանում է»,- նշեց նա:

Ինչպես արդեն հայտնել է NEWS.am-ը Ֆրանսիայի Սենատը մոտ ութ ժամ տեւած ծանր քննարկումներից հետո 127 կողմ եւ 86 դեմ ձայներով ընդունեց այդ երկրի կողմից ճանաչված ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը քրեականացնող օրինագիծը: Նշենք, որ դեկտեմբերի 22-ին Ֆրանսիայի Ազգային ժողովը ընդունել էր Հայոց ցեղասպանության մերժումը քրեականացնող օրենքը:

Ըստ կանոնակարգի՝ Ֆրանսիայի նախագահը 15-օրյա ժամկետում կհաստատի այն: Նա իրավունք ունի նշված ժամկետում նաեւ խնդրել խորհրդարանին վերանայել օրենքը, կամ դրա առանձին կետեր:

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:14 PM

Passed: French Senate outlaws Armenian genocide denial


The Senate of France on Monday voted in favor of criminalizing any public denial of the Armenian Genocide committed by Ottoman Turks at the beginning of last century.

The vote at the 348-member upper house of the French legislature went 127-86 in favor of the bill – which had gained international attention and sparked controversy since it was passed by the National Assembly, the lower house, in December. The lawmakers deliberated 7 hours beforing delivering the vote at around 1:30 a.m. Tuesday (10:30 p.m. in Paris).

The new law makes genocide denial by subjects of France punishable by up to a year in prison and 45,000 euro (about $58,000). At present, the law awaits enactment by President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose right-wing UMP party had put forward the bill that also won the backing of the Socialists.

Thousands of French Armenians and Turks reportedly held rival pickets near the Senate building in Paris ahead of the vote.

Yerevan predictably hailed the French move, while Ankara earlier warned it would sever all ties with France that had already stayed 'frozen' following the December 22 approval of the bill by French lawmakers.

"We have previously determined the steps to be taken if the bill is finally adopted. No one should doubt it," said Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, according to Turkey's state-run Anatolia news agency.

Meanwhile, France sought to allay Turkey's ire, appealing for calm. "Turkey is a very important partner and ally of France," said French Foreign Ministry spokesman Bernard Valero.

French-Turkish relations once already plunged into a crisis in 2001 when lawmakers in Paris passed a legislation recognizing the Ottoman-era mass killings and deportations of 1.5 million Armenians as genocide. The political, trade and military links between the two countries recovered shortly amid some lingering differences, including French opposition to Turkey's bid to join the European Union

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:15 PM

shutov canadan nuynpes knduni... isk USA - iren Eshi tegha drel... hech TAndzin el chi ..

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:36 PM

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How will Armenian genocide bill affect France-Turkey relations?



(CNN) -- Turkey's fraught relationship with France is set to erode further as the French Senate prepares to vote on controversial legislation that would criminalize any public denial of what the bill calls the Armenian genocide in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 -- a description Turkey has rejected.



Under the legislation, anyone denying the deaths were genocide would face a jail term and a fine of €45,000 ($58,000).



The lower house of French parliament passed the so-called Armenian genocide bill last December, prompting Turkey to recall its ambassador from Paris and to cancel certain bilateral visits between the countries.



What do Armenians say allegedly happened in 1915?



Armenian groups and many scholars argue that starting in 1915, Turks committed genocide, when more than a million ethnic Armenians were massacred in the waning days of the Ottoman Empire.



The Turkish-Armenian controversy over the killings that took place last century has reverberated wherever diaspora communities representing both groups exist.



What does Turkey say happened in 1915?



Modern-day Turkey, which emerged after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, has always denied a genocide took place in 1915. It argues instead that hundreds of thousands of Armenian Christians and Muslim Turks died from intercommunal violence, disease and general chaos -- not from a specific plan to eliminate Armenians -- around the bloody battlefields of World War I.



"It has always been a sensitive issue," said Dr. Katerina Dalacoura, a lecturer in International Relations at the London School of Economics. "Turkey has always refused to accept that it was a planned event. They argue that genocide only applies if it was a plan to exterminate people."



Why is France doing this now?



France formally recognized the killings as genocide in 2001.



As there is no new information or new recognition about what the facts are about events of 1915, some experts believe French President Nicolas Sarkozy may be using the genocide bill for political gain ahead of the country's presidential election in April.



"It's clear that President Sarkozy has put this on the table for electoral reasons - there is an Armenian community in France which will of course be voting," Christian Malard, Senior Foreign Analyst at France 3 TV, told CNN on Monday.



The bill has been applauded by Armenians, roughly 500,000 of whom live in France.



The bill's author, Valeri Bouyer from Sarkozy's ruling party, has denied any political motivation.



As for Sarkozy, he has said his country doesn't need an OK from another nation to develop its policies. In a letter to the Turkish government, he said the law is not aimed at any country, but only at addressing past suffering.



What is the public opinion in Turkey regarding the Armenian massacre?



Using the word genocide when talking about Armenia may not be as taboo as it once was, but Turks still chafe at the idea of other countries writing their history, says Domino Hakura, Turkey Analyst at Chatham House, a London-based think tank.



"Things have been progressing, but the population does not like foreign powers defining their history," he said. "It generates a lot of misgivings."



How would passage of the genocide bill affect Turkey-France relations?



If the French Senate ratifies the bill, ties between the two countries could unravel further.



Turkey already recalled its ambassador from Paris and cancelled some bilateral visits between the two countries after the French lower house passed the bill in December, and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned "this is only the first phase."



Erdogan has also accused France of committing its own genocide during the war in Algeria in the 1950s and 1960s.



"In Algeria, an estimated 15 percent of the population had been subjected to the massacre of French from 1945 on. This is genocide," Erdogan said at a conference in Istanbul last year.



"Algerians were burnt en masse in ovens. They were martyred mercilessly. If French President Mr. (Nicolas) Sarkozy does not know about this genocide, he should ask his father Paul Sarkozy. His father Paul Sarkozy served as a soldier in the French legion in Algeria in 1940s."



Once under French colonial rule, guerrillas in the North African nation fought a bloody war against the French presence there from 1954 to 1962.



The French Foreign Ministry shot back at Erdogan's comments, saying "we deplore excessive use of formulas and personal attacks that do not meet up to the standards of our mutual interest and of our relations. France recalls that it assumes with clarity and transparency its duty to remember the tragedies that have marked its history."



Erdogan said he hoped the Senate would fail to pass the so-called Armenian genocide bill. But he warned that if it did, Turkey would initiate more measures toward France.



"This will create a lot of noise and difficulty in Turkey's overall relationships with France and other EU states that will complicate" Turkey's efforts to gain accession to the European Union, said Ross Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador to Turkey.



Turkey and France are NATO allies, and, according to official Turkish statistics, the volume of trade between Turkey and France from January to the end of October this year was more than $13.5 billion.



Do any countries recognize the killing of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 as genocide?



Twenty countries do, including Germany, Sweden and Canada, according to Hakura.



The genocide debate is an annual source of tension between Turkey and the United States, also two NATO allies. The White House, for example, annually beats back efforts in Congress to pass a resolution which would formally recognize the 1915 massacre of Armenians as genocide.



CNN's Izzy Lemberg and CNN Wires contributed to this report.





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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:41 PM

z@zveli e yes es

What do Armenians say allegedly

barits kataghum em, to iy phthir utogh qez ova tuyl tvel es dzevov im azgi maisn xoseq



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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:44 AM

GERMANY, TOO, MUST RECOGNIZE ITS RESPONSIBILITY IN ARMENIAN GENOCIDE - GERMAN MP

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January 24, 2012 | 11:02

YEREVAN. - Annette Groth, German MP and head of the Left Group (Die
Linke) at the German Bundestag's (Parliament) Committee for Human
Rights and Humanitarian Aid, gave comments to Armenian News-NEWS.am
concerning France's bill that criminalizes the denial of genocides,
including the Armenian Genocide.

"Die Linke is trying in every way to contribute to the democratization
of Turkish policy and the reconciliation between Armenia and Turkey.

The Group criticizes the Turkish government's demeanor with respect to
the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire. Reconciliation between
the two countries will be difficult without justice. It is important
for Die Linke that the German Bundestag likewise recognize the German
Empire's responsibility in the Armenian Genocide issue. We believe
Germany must apologize for the assistance in, and the deliberate
permission for, the Genocide. Turkish society's critical revision of
history is an important prerequisite for today's Turkey to be able
to conduct another policy in the minorities' issue. We are convinced
that Turkey's acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide is the primary
important condition which will contribute to the development of
democratic traditions and learning of lessons from history," Annette
Groth specifically said.

To note, with a vote of 127 in favor and 86 against, France's Senate
passed Monday the bill that criminalizes the denial of the genocides
which this country has formally recognized. And these are the Armenian
Genocide and the Jewish Holocaust. This bill sets a one-year prison
sentence plus a 45-thousand-Euro fine for anyone who denies these
genocides. According to the regulations, the French President will
ratify it within fifteen days. And Turkey had announced earlier
that if the bill were to pass, it will impose a number of sanctions
against France.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:45 AM

ANCA CALLS ON OBAMA TO HONOR HIS PLEDGE TO RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

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24.01.2012 11:32

Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) Executive Director Aram
Hamparian offered the following comment on the France Senate passage
of the Genocide Law today:

"Today's courageous vote by the French Senate shines the spotlight
across the Atlantic, on American policymakers, who, for far too long,
have let Ankara block U.S. recognition of the Armenian Genocide."

"The growing international pressure on Turkey and, closer to home, the
recognition of the Armenian Genocide by 42 U.S. states, highlight that
President Obama, who promised as a candidate to recognize the Armenian
Genocide, has allowed a foreign country to impose a gag-rule on U.S.

recognition of this crime against humanity."

"We mark this occasion by urging President Obama to honor his pledge
to recognize the Armenian Genocide and by calling on the U.S. House
leadership to allow a vote on the Armenian Genocide Resolution,
H.Res.304."




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