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#21 Proud EXPAT

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 02:16 PM

Thursday 19, February 2004

Armenian Officer Axe-Murdered By Azeri Colleague In Hungary

By Harry Tamrazian in Prague

An Armenian army officer attending a NATO training course in Hungary
was hacked to death by an Azerbaijani colleague on Thursday in what
official Yerevan condemned as a `brutal' act resulting from a
long-running `anti-Armenian hysteria' in Azerbaijan.

The Hungarian police said the 26-year-old man, identified by the
Armenian military as Lieutenant Gurgen Markarian, was killed in his
asleep by a fellow officer from Azerbaijan who intruded into his room
early in the morning. They said the suspect was arrested shortly
afterwards.

The Hungarian Defense Ministry confirmed the information. `Early in the
morning the suspected murderer went into the other person's room and
killed him with an axe,' a ministry spokesman, Peter Matyuc, told
RFE/RL from Budapest. `He didn't show any resistance to police, they
got him easily after being alerted by roommates.'

Major Valter Fulop of the Budapest police was quoted by the Associated
Press as saying that the murder was committed with `unusual cruelty.'
`We say 'unusual cruelty' because besides a number of knife wounds on
his chest, the victim's head was practically severed from his body
,'
Fulop said.

The Hungarian authorities said they have launched a criminal
investigation and will not comment on possible motives for the killing
until it is complete. `The suspected murderer was arrested in the
morning and the Hungarian police will conduct an investigation. I hope
we will find out the reason why it happened,' Matyuc said.

A NATO spokesman in Brussels also had no comment.

Armenia's Defense Ministry, meanwhile, said it was `deeply shocked' by
the officer's death and pledged to do `everything possible and
impossible to subject the murderer arrested by the Hungarian
authorities to deserved punishment.'

`This crime is the logical consequence of the anti-Armenian hysteria
that has been left unreined by the Azeri authorities over the years and
of the warmongering militarist propaganda of recent months, which
consistently infects all of Azeri society,' the Armenian Foreign
Ministry said in a separate statement. `It is evident that such state
policy has crossed the bounds and officials, representing Azerbaijan
abroad, can commit cold-blooded murder.'

`The Ministry expects that the international organizations will
appropriately assess this crime and react. At the same time, we demand
that the Hungarian authorities punish the perpetrator to the maximum
extent of the law.'

Diplomats from the Armenian embassy in Vienna have already arrived in
Budapest and are `working with the police' there, the statement added.

Markarian was one of two junior Armenian officers who were attending an
English-language course at Hungary's top military academy within the
framework of NATO's Partnership for Peace (PfP) program. The Armenian
Foreign Ministry said that his unidentified comrade also faced an
attempt on his life by the same person but that it was foiled. It did
not elaborate.

Matyuc said Markarian shared his room with a Hungarian colleague who
was the first person to find him dead and alert the police. `According
to the police report, there was a witness, the Hungarian roommate of
the Armenian officer,' he said, adding that the victim and the attacker
lived `next door' from one another.

The Budapest police said the arrested Azerbaijani is 27 years old and
referred to him as Ramil S. The Armenian military identified his last
name as Safarov.

The slaying, the first of its kind in the history of the
Nagorno-Artsax conflict, could further poison the atmosphere in the
long-running Armenian-Azerbaijani peace talks that show no signs of an
imminent breakthrough. The Defense Ministry statement portrayed it as
another example of `the extreme and fanatical attitudes of the
Azerbaijani authorities.' It also reminded of Baku's apparent
unwillingness to allow Armenian soldiers to take part in a PfP military
exercise which is due to take place in Azerbaijan this summer.

There was no immediate reaction to the incident from Azerbaijan.


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Posted 20 February 2004 - 02:44 PM

Oh. you're not gonna believe this!!!!!

here's some more from the incident.

go head and read the whole article ....

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/3508003.stm

.... but pay attention to this part


The ministry appealed to Armenia to show restraint, and said the killing should not cause any further deterioration in relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan.


P.S. thats what the azeri ministry of defence stated.

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 04:06 PM

Who gets bad publicity - unlike what the self-professed forum professer professes, it will not mean that Azerbaijan will be kicked out of partnerships or what have you. That's for the morons.
If the details hadn't been so full of gore, I would have feared that the publicizing of this story would be pretty bad, as the murderer could claim delivering his own justice for the "Khodjaly Genocide" or something like that - now that would have reflected badly, and not on Azeris.

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 04:14 PM

Notice the subtile differences in the BBC report and the one above...
http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/3508003.stm

They are justifying the killing by stating that the Armenian "insulted" the Ajeri. Also notice how they state that the killing was "alleged", which is kind of strange don't you think? One final note is that they state that the reason for the killing is b ecause of the NG war. Now why would they try to make it seem like there is 2 sides to the story?

Edited by Vigil, 31 May 2004 - 03:30 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2004 - 04:20 PM

Of course, the Azeris blame the victim according to their filthy habit.

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 04:54 PM

The BBC article only proves the obvious. That Azeris are still winning the propaganda war. For every Armenian news site/outlet ie: propaganda site there are 100 Azeri sites.
Armenians need to engage in the information war in a very serious manner otherwise things are only going to get worse.

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 05:56 PM

Didn't someone say something about Turks coming through here?

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Posted 21 February 2004 - 12:11 AM

What do you expect coming out of a nation who executed the woman who was once the future Queen SOLELY because she was pregnant by an Egyptian, was bethrothed to him and was on the verge of exposing her former husband, the heir to the throne, as a bisexual.

Let's wait and see how this hacking death is portrayed in the Frnech and German press and in the hall of the European congress.

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Posted 21 February 2004 - 05:22 AM

Damn, if I ever want to execute someone, I bet I'd get some good advice from this Islamier people to the east of Armenia.

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Posted 21 February 2004 - 10:25 AM

Azeri officer's mother can't believe her son killed Armenian - TV

Lider TV, Baku
20 Feb 04


[Presenter] Sr Lt Ramil Safarov's mother, Nubar Safarova, does not
believe that her son is a murderer. She said that Ramil wanted to
wreak vengeance on enemies at the front.

[Correspondent over video of Ramil Safarov's photo in his house] Ramil
Safarov, suspected of murdering an Armenian officer in Hungary, is a
resident of occupied Cabrayil District. Four close relatives of Ramil
were martyred when Armenians occupied Cabrayil District. A refugee's
life made him settle in a hostel of the University of Economics. His
mother, Nubar xanim [form of address], said that her son had wide
military experience.

[Nubar Safarova in her house] The war began. He was in the seventh
form when the Armenians invaded Azerbaijan. His father said he had
four sons and suggested that Ramil study at the [Camsid] Naxcivanski
Military School. He wanted to bring up a good officer for
Azerbaijan. He knew that Ramil was an excellent and well-bred
pupil. You can make a good officer.

[Correspondent over video of Ramil's photos] Graduating from the
Naxcivanski Military School, Ramil spent nine years receiving a
military education in Turkey. Then he continued his education in
Hungary. Nubar xanim said she had heard from TV the news about the
Armenian officer being killed by her son. But the mother ruled out
that her 27-year-old son, who has always wished to liberate the
Azerbaijani lands from occupation, could wreak vengeance on the enemy
not at the front, but somewhere else.

[Nubar Safarova] He has always told his father that he is ready to
fight against Armenians face-to-face if the [Artsax] conflict is not
resolved peacefully. Everybody is ready. [Sentence indistinct] All our
lands should be returned through our force and courage. He could never
make a mistake outside. He cannot kill an Armenian. He could kill him
only in fighting. He could kill him only being face-to-face with
him. He could do it in fighting if he came face-to-face with the
enemy. He can show his hostility there.

[Correspondent] Nubar xanim said Ramil phoned home the day before the
incident and was in a cheerful mood.

Esmira Namiqqizi, Samir Suleymanov, Lider TV.

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 03:42 PM

Dear HyeForum Members:
Very sad killing just happened to Armenian Lt. Gurken Markarian that nobody can bring him back , but as Armenian we have to national obligation that killer Azeri Lt. Ramil Safarov to bring to justice and punish him full extende of law in Budapest, HUNGARY. And make sure that if he is married and have childreen rest of there lifes should be taken care. This is our duty to do, by writing proper goverment to find justice for this brutal killing and hatred, And learn from this never leave any Armenian yhis kind of brutal killings. OPEN YOUR EYES ARMENIANS , for me this is also genocide. Lt.Gurken Markarian dyed in my opinion because of he was an Armenian.
GOD rest his soul to enernity.
My prayers to all.

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 05:23 PM

But yea, it appears an Armenian was killed by a rather Islamy Azeri, who thought it was cool to take a life.

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 05:27 PM

I merged the three existing threads on this topic into one here.

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 09:01 AM

Azeries are going to stage a trial which will reflect the Soghomon Teilerian trial in Beirlin. These are all coordinated efforts.

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 09:28 AM

Of course any comparison with the Tehlirian trial is simply prepostrous. I am very curious to see how the Azeri's are going to fill in the dots here.

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Posted 27 February 2004 - 09:25 AM

I'm sorry if this is off topic and although I think this topic was somewhere else on this site I can't find it.

According to the latest Country Reports on Human Rights Practices:

The Military Prosecutor's Office reported that 35 soldiers died in the army
during the year; 9 of these deaths resulted from hazing.


I don't mean to tick anyone off and I'm pretty sure some people might misunderstand what I'm trying to say but we are killing our own soldiers people.

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Posted 27 February 2004 - 12:49 PM

The body of an Armenian military officer brutally murdered in Hungary last week was flown to Yerevan on Thursday and will be laid to rest this Saturday.

The closed coffin of Lieutenant Gurgen Markarian was draped in the red-blue-orange Armenian national flag and carried away by fellow officers in a somber official ceremony at the Zvartnots airport. It was attended by senior Defense Ministry officials and relatives of dead man.

Markarian will be buried in Yerevan’s Yerablur cemetery in a state funeral.

The 26-year-old was hacked to death in his sleep by an Azerbaijani serviceman who reportedly used an axe and a knife. Both officers were attending an English-language course in Budapest as part of NATO’s Partnership for Peace program.

The Azerbaijani suspect, Ramil Safarov, is under arrest pending the investigation and will be tried by a Hungarian court.

Motives for the crime are still not known. The Armenian government has said it was “the logical consequence of the anti-Armenian hysteria that has been left unreined by the Azeri authorities over the years.”

The Azerbaijani side rejects the charges. In a statement on February the Foreign Ministry in Baku claimed that Safarov was provoked into committing the gruesome crime by his victim who “repeatedly made insulting statements to Safarov, impugning his honor as an officer and Azeri citizen and insulting the memory of the victims of Armenian aggression.”

The statement was denounced as “offensive” on Thursday by Armenia’s ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Jivan Tabibian. He accused Baku of seeking to justify the killing.

“Nowhere in the police reports, or the statements of the witnesses and fellow students of the course, there is any reference to any supposed hostile exchange or an altercation between murderer and victim," Tabibian told the OSCE’s Permanent Council in Vienna. “We find it discouraging that the perpetrator of a cowardly act is right before our eyes being transformed into a hero, entrusted with defending memory and righting wrongs in this reprehensible manner.”

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Posted 27 February 2004 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE (ARR @ Feb 27 2004, 12:49 PM)
The Azerbaijani side rejects the charges. In a statement on February the Foreign Ministry in Baku claimed that Safarov was provoked into committing the gruesome crime by his victim who “repeatedly made insulting statements to Safarov, impugning his honor as an officer and Azeri citizen and insulting the memory of the victims of Armenian aggression.”

The statement was denounced as “offensive” on Thursday by Armenia’s ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Jivan Tabibian. He accused Baku of seeking to justify the killing.

“Nowhere in the police reports, or the statements of the witnesses and fellow students of the course, there is any reference to any supposed hostile exchange or an altercation between murderer and victim," Tabibian told the OSCE’s Permanent Council in Vienna. “We find it discouraging that the perpetrator of a cowardly act is right before our eyes being transformed into a hero, entrusted with defending memory and righting wrongs in this reprehensible manner.”

Personally Armenian government should make this case as visible as possible to show the deep hatred these creatures (they are not humans in my book) have for Armenians. We should clearly demonstrate on International scene that Artsagh Armenians would face the same treatment if ever allowed back to Azeri rule. I think we should get mad! Pissed! And shove this case up their asses so even the idea of Azeri Karabagh would become a permanent unattainable dream! furious.gif

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Posted 27 February 2004 - 05:27 PM

Guys, this is the the worst,... I don't know if I should really post the news here as I am very surprised that they could even do that... they are doubting now that the killing happened, the Azeris are questioning it and calling it an Armenian propaganda and ask for an investigation... do you imagine, a murder which was witnessed? They even are considering the murderer as a hero and ask that every new born baby be named after his name. I think the international community should do something warn the Azeris government to put an end to the generalised anti-Armenian propaganda aimed at spraiding hate against the Armenians, this could really be dangerous.

The Leutnant, just imagine if he had men under hos controls and if he were to end up in an Armenian village what he could do. sad.gif

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Posted 27 February 2004 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Domino @ Feb 27 2004, 06:27 PM)
I think the international community should do something warn the Azeris government to put an end to the generalised anti-Armenian propaganda aimed at spraiding hate against the Armenians, this could really be dangerous.

The Leutnant, just imagine if he had men under hos controls and if he were to end up in an Armenian village what he could do. sad.gif

Domino, I don't think the international community cares.




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