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#21 abass80

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 01:25 AM

QUOTE(Էլիա @ May 27 2007, 01:38 AM) View Post
And the Eastern Orthodoxy would be the Greek Orthodox, etc?


and the Russian Orthodox Church!

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 11:03 AM

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And the Eastern Orthodoxy would be the Greek Orthodox, etc?


Right, the Greek Church, the Russian Church as abass mentioned, and a number of other churches. Along with the Oriental Churches and the Assyrian Church of the East, they form Eastern Christianity.



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Posted 27 May 2007 - 11:28 AM

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Right, the Greek Church, the Russian Church as abass mentioned, and a number of other churches. Along with the Oriental Churches and the Assyrian Church of the East, they form Eastern Christianity.


Was Armenian Christianity considered Oriental Orthodox right when Armenia adopted Christianity, or no? If no, what branch was Armenia considered before it became Oriental Orthodox?


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Posted 27 May 2007 - 01:30 PM

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Was Armenian Christianity considered Oriental Orthodox right when Armenia adopted Christianity, or no? If no, what branch was Armenia considered before it became Oriental Orthodox?


There were yet no "branches" at the time of Armenia's convertion. In the early days of Christianity, save for the silenced Gnostic movements, the institution existed as a single 'universal' Church, meaning that all of Christiandom were in 'Communion' as one. The reason for the separation of the multiple churches you see today was the disagreements on nature of Jesus ("Christology"). As you can see in the diagram, the first of these historic splits was the heretical acceptance of Nestorianism by the Assyrian Church of the East. They in fact became known simply as the Nestorian Church. Yet since Nestorian thought was considered an "Unchristian" heresy, the "Christian" Church was still technically one body. This however changed when the churches that will become known as 'Oriental' refused to accept the Fourth Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon in 451, while the Byzantine Church did adhere to its interpretations. This caused the first major schism of Christianity and in a way 'creatied' the independent Church of Armenia and the rest of Oriental Orthodoxy.

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 01:44 PM

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There were yet no "branches" at the time of Armenia's convertion. In the early days of Christianity, save for the silenced Gnostic movements, the institution existed as a single 'universal' Church, meaning that all of Christiandom were in 'Communion' as one. The reason for the separation of the multiple churches you see today was the disagreements on nature of Jesus ("Christology"). As you can see in the diagram, the first of these historic splits was the heretical acceptance of Nestorianism by the Assyrian Church of the East. They in fact became known simply as the Nestorian Church. Yet since Nestorian thought was considered an "Unchristian" heresy, the "Christian" Church was still technically one body. This however changed when the churches that will become known as 'Oriental' refused to accept the Fourth Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon in 451, while the Byzantine Church did adhere to its interpretations. This caused the first major schism of Christianity and in a way 'creatied' the independent Church of Armenia and the rest of Oriental Orthodoxy.

That's interesting! I finally know the Armenian Church's branch of Christianity! My father thought that its branch was called Apostolic!!! biggrin.gif

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 01:51 PM

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That's interesting! I finally know the Armenian Church's branch of Christianity! My father thought that its branch was called Apostolic!!! biggrin.gif


Your dad wasn't wrong. smile.gif

Official name:The Armenian Apostolic Church
Description: Orthodox Church of the Oriental Communion

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE(Zartonk @ May 27 2007, 12:51 PM) View Post
Your dad wasn't wrong. smile.gif

Official name:The Armenian Apostolic Church
Description: Orthodox Church of the Oriental Communion

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Ya, but that's the name of the church. Apostolic isn't the name of the branch, right? ohmy.gif


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Posted 28 May 2007 - 12:55 AM

The Armenian Apostolic Church belongs to the branch of Oriental Orthodox Churches. biggrin.gif

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 11:14 AM

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The Armenian Apostolic Church belongs to the branch of Oriental Orthodox Churches. biggrin.gif


Precisley. It is the Orthodox 'branch' of Christianity founded by the Apostles.

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 10:47 PM

euhh,..

i think that the apostolic church has it's role to play in the armenian society, though i still want to see a clear line between church and state.

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 02:34 AM

i don't think that anyone in this topic is saying that the state and the church should meddle in each others business!
there must be a line between them, but that does not mean that the state has to cut every ties that it has with the church!

for example here in Greece the church and the state are separate! but in the Greek constitution there is an article that states that the Greek Orthodox Church is the official Church of Greece!

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SECTION II
Relations of Church and State
Article 3

1. The prevailing religion in Greece is that of the Eastern Orthodox Church of Christ. The Orthodox Church of Greece, acknowledging our Lord Jesus Christ as its head, is inseparably united in doctrine with the Great Church of Christ in Constantinople and with every other Church of Christ of the same doctrine, observing unwaveringly, as they do, the holy apostolic and synodal canons and sacred traditions. It is autocephalous and is administered by the Holy Synod of serving Bishops and the Permanent Holy Synod originating thereof and assembled as specified by the Statutory Charter of the
Church in compliance with the provisions of the Patriarchal Tome of June 29, 1850 and the Synodal Act of September 4, 1928.

2. The ecclesiastical regime existing in certain districts of the State shall not be deemed contrary to the provisions of the preceding paragraph.

3. The text of the Holy Scripture shall be maintained unaltered. Official translation of the text into any other form of language, without prior sanction by the Autocephalous Church of Greece and the Great Church of Christ in Constantinople, is prohibited.







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