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#1 Arpa

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 01:40 PM

Ladies and.. why not .. gentlemen, start your engines.
52%?
Woman president?
NPR has a syndicated feature- Fifty One Percent. It is mainly all about women, by women and for women. The premise is that more than half of humanity is female, their loose assertion- 51%.
And now we read the following below from ArmeniNow.
Once again, just as above NPR, is that 52% an arbitrary number or just an assertion that the population of Armenia is more than half female?
NPR has a syndicated feature- Fifty One Percent. It is mainly all about women, by women and for women. The premise is that more than half of humanity is female, their loose estimate- 51%.
And now we read the following below from ArmeniNow.
Once again, just as above NPR, is that 52% an arbitrary number or just an assertion that the population of Armenia is more than half female?
Woman President?
Տիկին Նախագահ? Tikin Nakhagah?
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"It is estimated that about 52 % are women" .
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Issue #45 (215), December 01, 2006
(December 01, 2006)
Decision 2007: Survey says population warming to idea of women in politics
By Gayane Abrahamyan
ArmeniaNow reporter
Editor’s note: On December 8, ArmeniaNow will produce a special edition related to issues of women and politics in Armenia. Return here for “Listening to the Quieted Voice”.
A recent sociological survey says 60 per cent of Armenian men and 83 percent of women are in favor of having women in politics. The percentages have tripled since a similar report five years ago.
The “Political Participation in Transition Society: Measuring Gender Equality” survey, jointly organized by the Association of Women with University Education and the Center for Democracy and Peace, tried to determine whether Armenian society is ready for women politicians, and whether Armenian women and politics are compatible.
{ai187701.jpg|left}The survey interviewed 500 men and 500 women across Yerevan, Vanadzor, Gyumri and a number of small towns of Armenia.
“This is an extremely important survey,” says head the UN Department for Public Information in Yerevan Valeri Tkachuk. “Women can have a serious contribution to politics, they are quite capable a force that sees the existing problems from a different angle. These qualities are quite necessary for politics.”
An expert within the research project and also a holder of a doctorate degree in history Yelena Vardanyan says they first needed to identify the level of women’s interests toward political issues.
According to the survey 25.2 percent of women are strongly interested in political issues; 61 percent are generally interested in politics and only 2 percents of them are totally uninterested. For comparison, the figures for men are 41, 57.6 and 1.4 percent correspondingly.
While 82 percent of interviewees said the concern over a lack of women in politics is a recent phenomena, impressions break down according to gender.
Only 29 percent of men believe the problem is very important against 54.8 percent of women. About half the men (50.4 percent) say the problem is “generally important”.
Sixty percent see gender inequality most vividly in elective bodies – a perception that matches reality, as in 15 years of independence women have held only three ministerial posts, four deputy ministerial posts out of 62 in Armenia, and there are no female mayors in all 47 towns.
So, what hinders women from entering politics?
According to the survey, 30.3 percent (both men and women) think the problems lie in the traditional mentality of society; 23.5 percent say it is due to social hardship, while 24.8 percent say women’s entrance into politics is hindered by the strict distribution of social and family roles between men and women.
Would the interviewee vote for a woman? The answer was mostly positive.
Sixty four percent of women and 43 percent of men say they would give their votes to a woman candidate for presidency.
The numbers drop when men are asked if they would like to see their wives, daughters, mothers or girl friends running for presidency or a parliamentary seat. Only 34 percent of the interviewed would prefer seeing a female relative as a president, 63 per cents – as member of the parliament and 66 per cents in the bodies of local administration.
Perhaps surprisingly, the number of the respondents willing to see their wives and sisters in high position is lower in Yerevan than in Gyumri and Vanadzor.
“This indicates that the reason for not wanting to see women relatives on positions is not purely a matter of mentality as the traditional stereotypes in Gyumri, Vanadzor and other small towns are stronger. It is because unlike the regions there are numerous spheres of self-realization in Yerevan. So one should not observe the problem only in the light of mentality,” says philosopher Siranush Khachkalyan.
The interviewed have underlined women participation is not an end in itself for them; still they say they cherish some hopes with making the political situation healthier in the country in case of women’s participation. For instance, 42 percent believe women’s involvement in politics will result in humanization of the core social issues.
It is estimated that about 52 percent of Armenia’s resident population is female.
“. . . So we can’t provide sustainability in the processes without their participation,” says chairwoman of the Association of Women with University Education Jemma Hasratyan.

Edited by Arpa, 02 December 2006 - 01:43 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2006 - 04:01 PM

The fact that only 83% of the women are in favor of women in politics is the biggest problem. Until that figure nears 100%, there's no chance of equality.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 04:11 PM

Maral for president. smile.gif

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 08:39 AM

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A recent sociological survey says 60 per cent of Armenian men and 83 percent of women are in favor of having women in politics. The percentages have tripled since a similar report five years ago.

Is Armenia fast becoming a matriarchal society, as opposed to the traditional patriarchal, spousal abuse and domestic violence one?
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Perhaps surprisingly, the number of the respondents willing to see their wives and sisters in high position is lower in Yerevan than in Gyumri and Vanadzor.

What is the significance of this?
That smaller towns are more emancipated, or are they disappointed by the male dominated atmosphere in Yerevan?
Do they remember the more traditional Armenian mores than the highly male chauvinistic, sovietized metropolises like Yerevan?
Speaking of which, does anyone remember any female luminaries in the Soviet hierarchy since Catherine the Great, except, that is,Valentina Tereshkova, the one and only token female cosmonaut?
We don’t know the employment-unemployment figures. But by the view of an accidental tourist, it seems like Yerevan is run by women. It seems every touristic establishment, all the way from McDonald’s to the Marriott Hotel, from receptionists to the servers, every ticket officer, from the subways, store clerks and street kiosks are run by women. Unless, of course they are used as storefronts, showcases while the real powers are still held by behind the scene men.
To the average tourist it seems like Yerevan is being run by women
Where are the men? What do they do, besides playing nardi at street corners, or, at best operating taxis?
I don’t remember seeing even one woman driver.
Why?
Is it because women cannot manipulate the automatic transmission of a BMW, or because women are more inclined to obey traffic laws?

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 11:51 AM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Dec 3 2006, 09:39 AM) View Post
Is Armenia fast becoming a matriarchal society, as opposed to the traditional patriarchal, spousal abuse and domestic violence one?


If that's the case THANK GOODNESS!!!!!!!


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What is the significance of this?
That smaller towns are more emancipated, or are they disappointed by the male dominated atmosphere in Yerevan?
Do they remember the more traditional Armenian mores than the highly male chauvinistic, sovietized metropolises like Yerevan?
Speaking of which, does anyone remember any female luminaries in the Soviet hierarchy since Catherine the Great, except, that is,Valentina Tereshkova, the one and only token female cosmonaut?
We don’t know the employment-unemployment figures. But by the view of an accidental tourist, it seems like Yerevan is run by women. It seems every touristic establishment, all the way from McDonald’s to the Marriott Hotel, from receptionists to the servers, every ticket officer, from the subways, store clerks and street kiosks are run by women. Unless, of course they are used as storefronts, showcases while the real powers are still held by behind the scene men.
To the average tourist it seems like Yerevan is being run by women
Where are the men? What do they do, besides playing nardi at street corners, or, at best operating taxis?
I don’t remember seeing even one woman driver.
Why?
Is it because women cannot manipulate the automatic transmission of a BMW, or because women are more inclined to obey traffic laws?

Arpa jan; we don't know the core or the complete answers; but isn't it encouraging and heartening that we Armenians are finally getting over controlling and manipulating women and have them work with men hand in hand. There are lots and lots of highly educated and smart women in Armenia that can help them with the upper crust too, you know. wink.gif

Whatever the case I feel glad as a woman. smile.gif

Edited by Anahid Takouhi, 03 December 2006 - 11:51 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2006 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Yervant1 @ Dec 2 2006, 05:11 PM) View Post
Maral for president. smile.gif

Baron Yervant:

You seem to forget that there are other women on the Forum too.

I'd certainly vote for Anoushik. smile.gif

She is young, pretty, nice and smart. smile.gif

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(Anahid Takouhi @ Dec 3 2006, 12:54 PM) View Post
Baron Yervant:

Yes my Queen
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You seem to forget that there are other women on the Forum too.

Yes there are other women, but Armenia needs only one president.

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I'd certainly vote for Anoushik.

She will be the next president

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She is young, pretty, nice and smart.

Her name speaks for itself. smile.gif

I had you in mind but you are a queen didn't want to demote you.

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 03:25 PM

QUOTE(Yervant1 @ Dec 3 2006, 03:23 PM) View Post
She will be the next president

I know Yervant jan; but Anoushik is new blood with new outlook and with fresh ideas. wink.gif

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I had you in mind but you are a queen didn't want to demote you.

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 05:24 PM

I know what you guys are saying is a joke, but I think it has a lot of truth to it. I bet if they had women running for president in Armenia, they really would vote for the most anoushik one. It would, in fact, turn into a joke. sadwalk.gif

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 05:47 PM

You think so? I think the people in AR would have sense enough to vote for an able and an intelligent woman to head their country. smile.gif

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 06:10 PM

Of late every subject topic has been stooping to cute one liners.
This topic is not under the subject category of Humor.
It is meant to be a serious debate about Gender Issues.
So, let's see how emancipated we are, and how much respect we have towards our 52% sisters, mothers and daughters.
Can we speak more intelligently, like put more than five words together?
QUOTE(SanVal @ Dec 3 2006, 11:24 PM) View Post
I know what you guys are saying is a joke, but I think it has a lot of truth to it. I bet if they had women running for president in Armenia, they really would vote for the most anoushik one. It would, in fact, turn into a joke. sadwalk.gif

If I read you correctly, you are saying that if there were an election in Yerevan Province the natives would vote for an airhead?
Are we not underestimating the intelligence of our sisters and brothers there?
There are many serious and intelligently talented women in Armenia. Highly qualified for higher positions. I have met some of them.
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If we can’t talk seriously and intelligently about our mothers, sisters and daughters and respect them for their worth, then the myth about the chauvinistically inane and mindless Armenian men rings true.

Edited by Arpa, 03 December 2006 - 07:12 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2006 - 06:43 PM

Here is a list of the members National Assembly of the ROA.
It may be a little old (2003).
See how many women you can spot.
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Name Constituency Position
BAGHDASARYAN Artur 080 President of the National Assembly
TOROSYAN Tigran 057 Vice President of the National Assembly
HOVHANNISYAN Vahan 106 Vice President of the National Assembly
ABOVYAN Hovik 056
ABRAHAMYAN Henrik 022
ABRAHAMYAN Seryozha 054
AGHABABYAN Ashot 048
ALEKSANYAN Lernik 070
ALEXANYAN Samvel 014
ARAKELYAN Artak 088
ARAKELYAN Koryun 120
ARSENYAN Ashot 067
ARSENYAN Gurgen 126
ARSHAKYAN Aghasi 125
ARZAKANCYAN Tigran 068
AVETISYAN Hripsime 130
AVETISYAN Sukias 047
AVETYAN Gagik 089
AYVAZYAN Smbat 010
AZIZYAN Napolyon 121
AZOYAN Hovik 051
BADALYAN Vladimir 016
BADALYAN Volodya 035
BADEYAN Manvel 076
BAGHDASARYAN Ashot 073
BAGHDASARYAN Vahram 037
BALASANYAN Samvel 049
BAZEYAN Albert 096
BISHARYAN Heghine 090
DALLAKYAN Viktor 036
DANIYELYAN Armen 017
DEMIRCHYAN Stepan 092
GABRIYELYAN Eduard 085
GASPARYAN Manuk 004
GEGHAMYAN Artashes 117
GEVORGYAN Nahapet 030
GHALUMYAN Artsruni 055
GHARAGYOZYAN Harutyun 012
GHAZARYAN Manvel 024
GHONJEYAN Grigor 131
GHUKASYAN Areg 072
GRIGORYAN Aramayis 025
GRIGORYAN Arayik 115
GRIGORYAN Hrant 028
GRIGORYAN Rafik 031
GULOYAN Murad 075
GYULZADYAN Vram 038
HAKOBYAN Gevorg 018
HAKOBYAN Hakob R. 026
HAKOBYAN Hakob R. 034
HAKOBYAN Hakob V. 011
HAKOBYAN Hranush 032 Committee Chairman
HAMBARDZUMYAN Arkadi 086
HARUTYUNYAN Aram 044
HARUTYUNYAN Grigor 095
HARUTYUNYAN Hamlet 066
HAYRAPETYAN Ruben 001
HOVHANNISYAN Armenuhi 110
HOVHANNISYAN Hmayak 119
HOVSEPYAN Rudik 112
ISRAYELYAN Sergey 100
KARAKHANYAN Vazgen 078
KARAPETYAN Aleksan 118
KARAPETYAN Hrayr 111
KARAPETYAN Karen 039
KARAPETYAN Yerem 023
KHACHATRYAN Hrant 102
KHACHATRYAN Lyova 020
KHACHATRYAN Surik 052
KHACHIKYAN Vazgen 060
KOCHARYAN Shavarsh 097
KOSTANDYAN Gagik 123
MALKHASYAN Ararat 079
MANASERYAN Tatul 103
MANUKYAN Abraham 071
MANUKYAN Khachik 019
MANUKYAN Melik 045
MANUKYAN Vazgen 094
MARGARYAN Grigor 013
MARGARYAN Hovhannes 091
MARTIROSYAN Razmik 064
MARUKHYAN Vostanik 116
MATEVOSYAN Vardges 077
MELIKYAN Gagik 062
MIKAYELYAN Mushegh 114
MIKAYELYAN Sasun 041
MINASYAN Gagik 059 Committee Chairman
MINASYAN Mkrtich 002
MKHEYAN Gagik 081 Committee Chairman
MKHITARYAN Armen 007
MKHITARYAN Arshak 083
MKHITARYAN Mekhak 029
MKRTCHYAN Ararat 065
MKRTCHYAN Levon 109
MKRTCHYAN Mkrtich (Serzh) 053
MKRTCHYAN Vardan 104
MOVSISYAN Mushegh 027
MURADYAN Harutyun 122
NAGHDALYAN Hermine 063
NAZARYAN Manvel 009
NIKOYAN Samvel 061
PAMBUKYAN Harutiun 008
PETROSYAN Aleksan 084
PETROSYAN Alvard 108
PETROSYAN Artur 129
PETROSYAN Khachik 033
PETROSYAN Rafik 003 Committee Chairman
POGHOSYAN Levon 127
PURTOYAN Armen 074
RUSTAMYAN Armen 107 Committee Chairman
SADOYAN Arshak 099
SAHAKYAN Galust 058
SAHAKYAN Samvel 021
SARGSYAN Aleksandr 069
SARGSYAN Aram 093
SARGSYAN Aram 101
SARGSYAN Levon 006
SHAHGALDYAN Samvel 043
SHAHGELDYAN Mher 087 Committee Chairman
SIMONYAN Artush 005
STAMBOLCYAN Gagik 128
SUKIASYAN Khachatur 015
SUKIASYAN Martin 046
TAMAZYAN Hamlet 040
TSARUKYAN Gagik 042
TSATURYAN Edmund 105
TUMANYAN Samvel 124
VARAGYAN Mkhitar 050
VARDANYAN Mikayel 113
ZAKHARYAN Stepan 098
ZAKHARYAN Sayad 082


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Posted 03 December 2006 - 08:23 PM

Man... what a "kak" fest.

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 08:52 PM

Hardly nine is it? Or did I read it wrong? Some of the ArevelaHay names are foreign to me; but the list is hardly anything to be proud of. I mean as far as giving any consideration to women and their rights.

From a few that I have come across to in the diaspora, I have known that the women in the AR are very intelligent and they are usually educated with at least a Master's degree or better. Then what is the problem?

Why aren't Armenia's men are not loosening up and accepting women to be their equal? After all, there's plenty of smart and able women around and they can certainly have them help their men and on the intellectual level too.

I hope things got a lot better since 2003.

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 10:40 PM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Dec 3 2006, 06:39 AM) View Post
Where are the men? What do they do, besides playing nardi at street corners, or, at best operating taxis?
I don’t remember seeing even one woman driver.
Why?
Is it because women cannot manipulate the automatic transmission of a BMW, or because women are more inclined to obey traffic laws?


there is at least one in yereva... there was an interview on h1 a while back with her... ayspes asats "goghakan kin er"...

btw, in soviet time, a big portion of traim operators were women... mostly russian desents though...

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 11:09 PM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Dec 3 2006, 06:39 AM) View Post
What is the significance of this?
That smaller towns are more emancipated, or are they disappointed by the male dominated atmosphere in Yerevan?
Do they remember the more traditional Armenian mores than the highly male chauvinistic, sovietized metropolises like Yerevan?


it's just that yerevantsi are more aware of the corruption and all the other nasty things that are going on at the higher political levels...

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 11:14 PM

the way i see it, the status quo does not bother most men, because it's benefical for them... less competition, they have more chances to succeed, they have contorl, etc... in general it's better to be man... so, most men dont' try to change anything (which is understandable to certain extend)... and women... there is no movement to change anything... no movement, just small unimportant organizations...

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 07:59 PM

What I meant by my comment above is that I don't think women in Armenia are taken as seriously as men. I don't see how that can be interpreted as a comment about the intelligence of Armenian women. It was a comment about how they're perceived.

And there's something very wrong about simply counting the number of women in politics. There have been women in politics, but to see if there's some semblance of equality, I would need to know how they got there. For example, Pakistan has had a woman prime minister (Benazir Bhutto), but she was the daughter of someone famous. Similarly, as much as I respect Aung San Suu Kyi (from Burma), she, too, is the daughter of someone very famous in her country. There have also been women in Venezuelan politics, but many of them got there because they had been beauty queens and had participated in Miss Universe. And let's mention our own American Hilary Rodham Clinton...I seriously doubt she would've made it this far had she been known as Hilary Rodham and had not been the victim of her husband's philandering.

In any country, until there is a sizeable group of women who have made it on their own--and didn't get support by virtue of being someone's daughter or wife, or because of their looks or charm--there's no reason to think anything significant has occurred.

I also don't think that Armenian men should be blamed for everything. Many of the problems stem from Armenian women's own beliefs about gander and how things should be. There are still women there who think their husbands don't love them if they don't beat them.

Another major problem with women everywhere is that women don't stick together. You can have a social experiment in any country and put a group of women together and do the same with men, and I'm certain there'll be more name-calling and cat fights in the women's group. The jealousy streak does enough to keep women from bonding together to achieve what they want, and it's something men can use to their advantage.

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 10:30 PM

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Another major problem with women everywhere is that women don't stick together. You can have a social experiment in any country and put a group of women together and do the same with men, and I'm certain there'll be more name-calling and cat fights in the women's group. The jealousy streak does enough to keep women from bonding together to achieve what they want, and it's something men can use to their advantage.




Amen to that, especially Mother and daughter, its an instinct, but women are self centered and like to have control, Men brings the food in a house and a good women keeps everyone fed, clean and orderly
But women with…. high testosterone levels….., like late PM of England Margaret Thatcher was hated more by English women then IRA.

My stand is not every woman, but few. And I don’t see it happen in a very near future will become President of Armenia. In that part of the world women have much more important role to play in a society, in this case in Armenia.

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 11:37 PM

QUOTE(Edward @ Dec 4 2006, 11:30 PM) View Post
Amen to that, especially Mother and daughter, its an instinct, but women are self centered and like to have control, Men brings the food in a house and a good women keeps everyone fed, clean and orderly
But women with…. high testosterone levels….., like late PM of England Margaret Thatcher was hated more by English women then IRA.

My stand is not every woman, but few. And I don’t see it happen in a very near future will become President of Armenia. In that part of the world women have much more important role to play in a society, in this case in Armenia.

As a woman, as much as I'd hate to admit the validity of these statements but in most parts it is true. Be it in working environments or within Armenian communities when an able and a talented woman comes along, unless she knows how to manipulate other women and men, and to the point of being very strong charactered person and somewhat abnoxious, she is harrassed, kneedled and put down, and guess by whom. Usually by other women and girls. It's sad; but I've seen it happen.

I disagree about mothers and daughters disagreements at least personally wink.gif as I've always adored my saintly mother and my darling daughter; but I don't know of others. They can speak for themselves.

Like Ed says, it does not apply for every woman, but some do.

I'd hope perhaps, who knows in another ten years we can all talk about this happening.




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