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So, what do you proposes. i have read your last few replies at least two times. OK! You are angry, I understand that. What do you propose? Invading Turkey to take the land back?
No, I do not propose "invading Turkey" because frankly 3 million Armenians against 70 million is just suicide because at the very end war is about numbers. As far as our ancerstral land is concerned that has to be decided by international law, which incidently will be done once the genocide is recognized.
However, I personally do not think "taking back land" is a priority, but rather we need to redesign the entire dynamics of the Armenian ideology, which is at the heart of the problem. This can either be done by reconstructing our communities infrastructures or we can go into detail like deciding on what morals we should emphasis in our future generations.
Nevertheless, what is a priority is to try and remember that the genocide is not the only share of our problems that needs to be challenged. We have many other problems that can be solved if we continue to stay united and by staying united we are truly a force to be reckoned with.
I am not proposing anything except the obvious in that we need to quit thinking in terms of "one big happy family" and more along the lines of "Armenia for Armenia". I resent the fact that saps, yes they are saps, think that we live in this ideal society when in fact what fuels the most seemingly idealesque nation (In example "western nations") is ruthlessness, conivingness, and envy, which are all traits that we only reserve for our own kind instead of the opposite. We try to please "otars" as much as we try to please our kin.
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Do you live in Armenia? Why not placing all the energy at making Armenia a better place to live first?
Me living in America and bank rolling Armenia with American dollars is the equivalent, but for me to remain in America and ignore Armenia completly is what the underlying question is here today. Do Armenians want to make Armenia work or do they just want to be another extinct race?
I see Armenians (Paskahye, Lepanhye, and Hye) spending their time remodeling their homes and going to Home Depot when instead they can use their funds for more fruitful ventures. How many times do Armenians want to build homes and then leave them behind on foriegn soil? For centuries we have felt more comfortable living in the safe haven provided by foreign lands for short periods of time rather than actually spending a few years creating a safe haven of our own.
The fact of the matter is Domino, we do have the energy, but tragically not for Armenia and rather reserve it for only ourselves and pleasing otars. I just get upset when you or anyone else state that we live in a ideal world, which just makes it worse, instead of telling the truth of how it is.
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Look, I am not giving my opinion regarding the land claims here. I just fail to see Anoushik and your point. Do you have any garanty that the diaspora will for the most part move to a newly formed Armenia consituated of what we have lost + present day Armenia?
My comments were not related to land claims, but rather to how naive it is to think that on the world stage nations do not envy one another and actually are in a state of peace, when in fact they are constantly at war with each other economically, spatially, and at times physically. The same logic should be taught to Armenians in that yes, we should be polite to other nationalities, but never should we think that they can truly be trusted to defend our interests.
In life there is no guarantee except for one, which is that as long as you feel you have lost you will always you be the loser. However, I do sincerely believe that the Diaspora has intentions of moving back, but the problem is that the right steps need to be taken to welcome them. The government needs to be restructured in such a way that the Diaspora can at some point feel like they are part of Armenia. This is discussed more in detail in the citizenship thread. There are individuals like me that are just waiting for some extra income to buy a home in Armenia for the sheer fact of not allowing it to slip in the hands of alien intruders. This is the same reason why Jews donate funds to their diaspora, which allows them to relocate to Israel because they understand that as long as there is bodies in Israel it will never cease to exist.
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Why not starting to leave for Armenia now? Why people are leaving Armenia? Will new lands change that?
My underlying point is not the drop everything and rush to Armenia because as much as you want to use as the hole in my argument, which is not the case, I would like to remind you that it would much benificial for me to stay here and as I stated earlier "bankroll Armenia through American dollars" just like how a certain other ethnic group across the globe is doing. I can instead work and invest in Armenia's economy just like how the Chinese, Jews, Indians, and Koreans do.
No, new lands are useless if people are not willing to invest in it. Israel is a desert, but yet its people are willing to invest in it and for me to state that "new lands will be a solution to our problem" is very short sighted because it is not the size of the land that is important, but rather how you use it.
Japan is an island, with no resources, but yet it is one of the world's greatest economic powers. 30 years ago nobody thought that Japan would amount to any significant status, but than came along Honda and virtually created the automotive industry into what is today.
The will of the people is what shapes a country, but the will of the people can not be united if they feel that everyone is their friend. Instead we need to harness any nationalism we have and direct it towards constructing a "New Armenia". This can only been done by reminding people how ruthless the world can actually be and because of this factor we need to stick together as often as we can.
Edited by Vigil, 31 May 2004 - 05:06 AM.
