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[AlenAlen]

Tata's is Prof. Armenchik's is Armen

Sorry, didnt read carefully. Armen mostly does the accompaniment, and some solos. But a lot of the solos is done by his solo keyboardd player Gevork. and armen's brother directs the videos

[MosJan]

Thanks For the info & Welcome to HyeForum

[Anoushik]

I am also new, I have a few thoughts about this topic but I'll keep it short:
Personally, I like both. I think Jazz is the "rabiz" of America. At first it wasnt accepted, and now it's very much accepted and even respected. You know how Jazz is fun to play and listen to? Well, rabiz is very much the same. You feel good when you listen to it adn play it. The main reason why young people dont listen to classical Armenian is because their friends dont listen to it. And their friends dont listen to it becaause it's not advertised at all. I think the term rabiz was used as more of an insult to those singers that didn't sing classical Armenian songs. I don't consider Tata or Harout to be rabiz... just look at what songs they have performed in teh past: Tata has many classical songs in his old cd, and Harout sings mostly gusanakan songs. And Hayko sings better classical/gusanakan songs than most singers. Rabiz is a hybrid of Jazz and classical in my opinion. If students only learn classical in schools, then how do they play rabiz?? Because they are mostly the same. Rabiz comes from classical songs. As far as Aram, I dont even wanna talk about him, hes just a bad singer, even though he has a few good songs.

AlenAlen, you can't possibly compare what Jazz music was to America to what rabiz is to Armenia currently. The reason is because Jazz was a completely new music. Sure, its precursors were the blues, ragtime, brass-band music, and syncopated music, but overall jazz developed into a complete new style of music.

Rabiz is a combination of Armenian estrada and polluted Armenian traditional music, and overall highly influenced by the music of our MUSLIM neighbors. It sounded completely like Arabic music a couple of years ago, but it has changed a bit. It's still disgusting to my ears. And what makes it worse is that the performers of so-called rabiz (it's so sad that rabiz has become a music category) don't know how to sing. They whine, yell, scream, bleat, and do a very untasteful vibrato, but they don't sing. What is sad is that the generally uneducated audience (or musically uneducated, I should say) listen to this noise continuously and get used to it. They think this is how singing should be. Their ears have become immune to this noise, and they can no longer appreciate finer performances.

I think the nature of rabiz music is that it is supposed to be whined so bad. I can't imagine of a rabiz music performed normally. Actually sung, instead of whined. If it was sung tastefully it wouldn't be rabiz in the first place.

[AlenAlen]

I do not want to offend anyone.    It is just very unclear what is so appealing about something with arabic and turkish music with very empty lyrics.
And I do understand that for parties and weddings uplifting music is needed and traditional folk music does not work.  So why not listen to Armenian pop music even if we don't have much pop in the market? If the Armenians wanted to we could demand of the singers to change their style of singing and theirs choice of songs with something more pop with Armenian roots. So the question is not that we don't have access to Armenian pop and all we have to deal with is "rabiz". The "rabiz" music exists because Armenians want "rabiz" to exist. I just want you guys to tell me why you want "rabiz" to exist. 

Because rabiz singers sing with more soul. There's more emotion in the song. An example is Spitaktsi Hayko. I only listen to teh songs taht he didnt write himself (gusanakan, etc...). And I would much rather listen to him sing sayat nova than hovanes badalyan or anyone else like that because he sings with more emotion. Thats why people like rabiz. And also, not all rabiz songs are meaningless. some rabiz signers have good lyrics. By the way, I dont consider tatoul, hovo, adn those other turkish singers to be rabiz singers, they'er not singers at all. they suck

[AlenAlen]

It's still disgusting to my ears. They whine, yell, scream, bleat, and do a very untasteful vibrato, but they don't sing.

I think the nature of rabiz music is that it is supposed to be whined so bad. I can't imagine of a rabiz music performed normally. Actually sung, instead of whined. If it was sung tastefully it wouldn't be rabiz in the first place.

Obviously were not talking about the same type of rabiz music. Like i said, i dont consider tatoul, hovo, etc to be singers at all, so lets pretend they dont even exist. I consider Araz, Hayko, Aloyan, etc to be "rabiz" singers. I only label them rabiz cuz theyre not traditional/classical singers. Araz has good lyrics adn actually has a normal voice. Hayko and Aloyan sing better traditional/folk songs tahn many traditional singers. They just do it with more feeling, which is why i like "rabiz".

[Anoushik]

Obviously were not talking about the same type of rabiz music. Like i said, i dont consider tatoul, hovo, etc to be singers at all, so lets pretend they dont even exist. I consider Araz, Hayko, Aloyan, etc to be "rabiz" singers. I only label them rabiz cuz theyre not traditional/classical singers. Araz has good lyrics adn actually has a normal voice. Hayko and Aloyan sing better traditional/folk songs tahn many traditional singers. They just do it with more feeling, which is why i like "rabiz".

Oh, OK, you're talking about the old rabiz The combination of polluted Armenian traditional music with Russian estrada. If I had to choose (what a horrible idea) I'd pick old rabiz

I applaud you for calling Hayko and Co. rabiz. I believe you are the first person for so many years to agree that rabiz remains rabiz. I guess there have been so many levels of rabiz style over the years that we should further categorize them to avoid confusion

[armjan]

does anyone have a defn of what rabiz is?
is it on wikipedia?

[AlenAlen]

Oh, OK, you're talking about the old rabiz The combination of polluted Armenian traditional music with Russian estrada. If I had to choose (what a horrible idea) I'd pick old rabiz

I applaud you for calling Hayko and Co. rabiz. I believe you are the first person for so many years to agree that rabiz remains rabiz. I guess there have been so many levels of rabiz style over the years that we should further categorize them to avoid confusion

I've been listening to armenian music for 4 or 5 years now, no rap, no r&b, no american stuff, etc... so i kno my armenian music pretty well, and all this time, i've been trying to categorize my style, but i still havent yet. i guess it just depends from song to song. as of now, i like classical/traditional songs with a twist of rabiz arrangements and singing. in my opinion, sometimes traditional is too boring as far as how the music is arranged. i dont know.....i have too much to say about the subject.........

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so it was RABIS at first created by CCCP.... then it has become RabiZ that we know now days 

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