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#1 MosJan

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Posted 03 June 2006 - 07:19 AM

Greeks Going to Return Previous Status to St. Sophia Church in Istanbul
02.06.2006 17:17 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ “Free Agia Sophia Council in America” organizations has launched an international campaign to make St. Sophia an Orthodox Church again, American politician of Greek origin Chris Spiru stated a press conference in Manhattan. He presented the plan of the organization and emphasized that the matter concerns an international movement initiated in the U.S. which purposes the objective to retransform the Great Church of Saint Sophia in Constantinople into a Cathedral for all Orthodox believers.

He said the Turkish government calls and uses the Church as a museum, organizes trade exhibitions, concerts and fashion shows in it. Sacrilege and desecration is taking place. We will use all the juridical and religious methods to achieve our goal,” Spiru underscored. In his words, simultaneously a collection of signatures will be organized. “Muslims grew indignant over the caricatures of Prophet Mohammed. We assert our right to pray in the church, which is a symbol for all Orthodox believers. I think, the moment when Turkey is striving to join the European Union is quite appropriate for it,” Mr. Spiru said, reported Greek.ru.

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 12:55 PM

Thr Turks will NEVER allow Hagia Sofia to become a church again. It is more than a church, it is a symbol of great power and has a mezmerizing influence upon anyone who visits it.

Same reason they will NEVER allow the Armenian monastery that sits high on Mt. Ararat to be "discovered."


QUOTE(MosJan @ Jun 3 2006, 08:19 AM)  
Greeks Going to Return Previous Status to St. Sophia Church in Istanbul
02.06.2006 17:17 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ “Free Agia Sophia Council in America” organizations has launched an international campaign to make St. Sophia an Orthodox Church again, American politician of Greek origin Chris Spiru stated a press conference in Manhattan. He presented the plan of the organization and emphasized that the matter concerns an international movement initiated in the U.S. which purposes the objective to retransform the Great Church of Saint Sophia in Constantinople into a Cathedral for all Orthodox believers.

He said the Turkish government calls and uses the Church as a museum, organizes trade exhibitions, concerts and fashion shows in it. Sacrilege and desecration is taking place. We will use all the juridical and religious methods to achieve our goal,” Spiru underscored. In his words, simultaneously a collection of signatures will be organized. “Muslims grew indignant over the caricatures of Prophet Mohammed. We assert our right to pray in the church, which is a symbol for all Orthodox believers. I think, the moment when Turkey is striving to join the European Union is quite appropriate for it,” Mr. Spiru said, reported Greek.ru.


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Posted 15 June 2006 - 04:08 PM

QUOTE(phantom22 @ Jun 15 2006, 12:55 PM)  
Thr Turks will NEVER allow Hagia Sofia to become a church again. It is more than a church, it is a symbol of great power and has a mezmerizing influence upon anyone who visits it.

Same reason they will NEVER allow the Armenian monastery that sits high on Mt. Ararat to be "discovered."


No religious freedom, no EU membership, that's all...

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 04:54 PM

Sounds fantastic yet highly unlikely. The beautiful edifice look so odd and out of place as a mosque.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:00 PM

one day my friends, one day

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:50 AM

Hagia Sophia is an important symbol of our civilization in general, not just for the ughapar. I don't think we will ever see it as it was meant to be seen unless it's conquered!


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Posted 13 April 2007 - 01:24 PM

Phantom,what is this monstery high on top of mount Ararat you speak of?I have never heard that before.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 01:37 PM

No one has Sako.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 01:53 PM

one day maybe that happens

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE(Sako***** @ Apr 13 2007, 08:24 PM)  

Phantom,what is this monstery high on top of mount Ararat you speak of?I have never heard that before.

And you will never hear of it again. There is no such monastery.

Wonder what happened to the Turkish plan to build a restaurant and viewing platform on top of Ararat? Never quite knew if it was an April Fools Day joke or a serious proposal.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE(Zartonk @ Jun 16 2006, 11:54 PM)  

The beautiful edifice look so odd and out of place as a mosque.

Actually it is the opposite. It is odd and out of place as a church, because its design was never replicated for another church - but it wouldn't look out of place as a mosque since the typical Ottoman mosque design was a copy of it, and the "Ottoman mosque" form is the one invariably used for all the thousands of new mosques in Turkey.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 12:07 PM

QUOTE(neko @ Apr 17 2007, 03:35 PM)  

And you will never hear of it again. There is no such monastery.

Wonder what happened to the Turkish plan to build a restaurant and viewing platform on top of Ararat? Never quite knew if it was an April Fools Day joke or a serious proposal.


The monastery is next to Noah´s Ark.Actually it was built by some of those that were in the Ark.Underneath the Ark there is a tunnel that connects it to Atlantis, Macchu Pichu and a few other places that cannot be mentioned in a public forum.On the monastery grounds there is an unusual landing strip that was copied by the USAF engineers when they built Area51.

There is much more.But this is all that can be revealed at present.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE(Boghos @ Apr 18 2007, 06:07 PM)  

The monastery is next to Noah´s Ark.Actually it was built by some of those that were in the Ark.Underneath the Ark there is a tunnel that connects it to Atlantis, Macchu Pichu and a few other places that cannot be mentioned in a public forum.On the monastery grounds there is an unusual landing strip that was copied by the USAF engineers when they built Area51.

There is much more.But this is all that can be revealed at present.

As is the sad custom, this debate seems to have been in response to Phantom’s comment about the “monastery on top..” Some day we may learn that Hagarag, who has no idea where his top and bottom are, speaks from the obverse side of his digestive system and he confuses the “monastery on top” with the monastery of Sb. Hakob at the bottom of Mt. Arararat, and the Village of Agori, from where the designation Aghri Dagh comes from. Both, Sb Hakob and Aghori have been erased off the map by natural disasters, earthquake as well as by maleficent humanoids.


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Posted 18 April 2007 - 03:17 PM

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Actually it is the opposite. It is odd and out of place as a church, because its design was never replicated for another church - but it wouldn't look out of place as a mosque since the typical Ottoman mosque design was a copy of it, and the "Ottoman mosque" form is the one invariably used for all the thousands of new mosques in Turkey.


True. The design and the execution of the dome are singular, not the mention the size. It doesn't strike one so much as a religious building as it does a secular palace. Yet what I mean is that the addition of the minarets, despite being responsible for creating the subsequent image of all Ottoman mosque, impress too much of a contrast for me. I don't know if it's the instinctual Armenian bias towards all Turkish influence, I don't know if it's the clash of the cultural aesthetics, but I can't come to ease with it's duality, if you will.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 03:21 PM

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Both, Sb Hakob and Aghori have been erased off the map by natural disasters, earthquake as well as by maleficent humanoids.


I remember you mentioning this before Arpa, but where was the exact geographic location of Aghori?

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE(Zartonk @ Apr 18 2007, 09:21 PM)  

I remember you mentioning this before Arpa, but where was the exact geographic location of Aghori?

Among many, look here;
http://hyeforum.com/...c=9090&hl=aghri\
Also here. Remember that in Armenian "aghouri" means vine as in grapevine;
http://hyeforum.com/...4711&hl=aghouri
Which, in turn brings us back here;
http://hyeforum.com/...opic=15730&st=0
Where I wrote about the Italian word "massara" to mean "olive press". Consider the Armenian word "aghoriq" to mean "mill" as in "wheat mill", "wind mill" where things like grapes, wheat and olive are milled/pressed.

Edited by Arpa, 18 April 2007 - 04:17 PM.


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 09:45 AM

National Review
May 31 2017
 
 
Florida Museum Celebrates the Loss of Hagia Sophia
 
By Daniel Pipes — May 29, 2017

 

I rubbed my eyes in disbelief seeing a wall plaque at the Cummer Museum of Art and Gardens in Jacksonville, Fla., explaining an artifact in the “Ink, Silk, and Gold: Islamic Treasures from the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston” exhibit currently showing.

The plaque that caught my eye praises the Ottoman Empire for having turned the Hagia Sophia church into a mosque. Its words:

In addition to their renowned patronage of architecture, which yielded the conversion of the Church of Hagia Sophia in Istanbul into a congregational mosque, Ottoman sultans and elites supported flourishing textile and ceramics industries.

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(What does “yielded the conversion” even mean? A search engine finds seven uses of this phrase in the English language, all connected to science.)

Hagia Sophia happens to be one of the oldest, largest, most beautiful, most celebrated, and most important churches of all Christendom. Built in the 530s in Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine Empire, it has always been the object of exceptional praise, from ancient times (563 AD: “As you direct your gaze towards the eastern arches, you behold a never-ceasing wonder”) to modern ones (2014: “In this paradigmatic building, beauty, wisdom and light became interwoven through the architectural structure”).

The transformation of the Greek Hagia Sophia Cathedral into the Turkish Ayasofya Mosque did not take place gently. Fergus M. Bordewich describes the brutal shift that took place 564 years ago today:

On May 29, 1453, after a seven-week siege, the Turks launched a final assault. Bursting through the city’s defenses and overwhelming its outnumbered defenders, the invaders poured into the streets, sacking churches and palaces, and cutting down anyone who stood in their way. Terrified citizens flocked to Hagia Sophia, hoping that its sacred precincts would protect them, praying desperately that, as an ancient prophesied, an avenging angel would hurtle down to smite the invaders before they reached the great church.

Instead, the sultan’s janissaries battered through the great wood-and-bronze doors, bloody swords in hand, bringing an end to an empire that had endured for 1,123 years. “The scene must have been horrific, like the Devil entering heaven,” says [Roger Crowley, author of 1453: The Holy War for Constantinople and the Clash of Islam and the West]. “The church was meant to embody heaven on earth, and here were these aliens in turbans and robes, smashing tombs, scattering bones, hacking up icons for their golden frames. Imagine appalling mayhem, screaming wives being ripped from the arms of their husbands, children torn from parents, and then chained and sold into slavery. For the Byzantines, it was the end of the world.” Memory of the catastrophe haunted the Greeks for centuries. Many clung to the legend that the priests who were performing services that day had disappeared into Hagia Sophia’s walls and would someday reappear, restored to life in a reborn Greek empire.

That same afternoon, Constantinople’s new overlord, Sultan Mehmet II, rode triumphantly to the shattered doors of Hagia Sophia. … He declared that it was to be protected and was immediately to become a mosque. Calling for an imam to recite the call to prayer, he strode through the handful of terrified Greeks who had not already been carted off to slavery, offering mercy to some. Mehmet then climbed onto the altar and bowed down to pray.

Recalling this violent and dismal history as I wandered the Cummer, I wondered why a Florida museum would celebrate the vicious transformation of this cathedral into a mosque. Could an Islamist be lurking behind the wall plaque’s perverse praise?

I searched for clues by reviewing the makeup of the “Ink, Silk, and Gold” exhibit’s Advisory and Host committees. Sure enough, the answer lay there in broad daylight, highlighted on the glass entry door.

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Parvez Ahmed, an apologist for suicide bombing and president of the country’s most prominent Islamist organization, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (commonly known as CAIR) in 2005–08, apparently sits on the two committees; in addition, his sometime-mosque, the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida, sits on the Advisory Committee.

Mystery solved.

It’s worth noting on the anniversary of the sack of Constantinople that Islamic conquests need not be only by the sword – or suicide vests in concert halls. The penetration of Western culture is underway, with purposeful and intent Islamists rolling over distracted or self-critical kafirs (infidels).

 





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