QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Jul 23 2007, 08:49 AM)
hello abass , yes , i agree with you at some points .
"look people , my oppinion is that first of all its important that the EU recognized genocide and makes turkey recognize genocide or else th EU door will be closed to them. also in my oppinion turkey wil never recognize it , not for the EU , not for anyone . turkeys anti-genocide machinery is going deeper and deeper year by year , and this already for the past 92 years . their propaganda is neverending . ultranationalism is constantly growing in turkey .
anti-genocide machinery is going deeper and deeper...their propaganda is neverending. ultranationalism is constantly growing int turkey. turks spend 2billion euros a year on anti-genocide compaign. the image you try to create here is the following...my d!@& is bigger than yours. i got a news for you boy, the turks are fighting a lost battle. only the fact that the armenians made a come back and they fight for the truth is a vicotry byitself. the turks have faild and they will never find their place among the people of the world unless they come face to face with the truth. this isn't an issue that will go away.
"genocide resolution in usa ... well , armenian genocide is in one way recognized , the only problem is the term "GENOCIDE" ."
didn't you earlier in your previous post underestimated the importance of the word 'GENOCIDE'?
"the turks have a big huge problem with this word ."the turks have a big huge problem with an identity issue
"the usa uses armenians only as a playball whenever they want to threaten turkey ,"
in the world of politics u.s. got many cards to play against turkey. the armenians issue, in fact, is the
"like for example these days "if you do gas-business with iran we will name the massacres as GENOCIDE ;"
what the hell are you talking about? armenia does 'gas-business with iran' and not the single time the u.s. government has used that card against the armenians. why you thin that is, they have run out all the options with turkey and don't care about what armenia does with iran?
"ifyou enter north-iraq we will call the armenian massacres as GENOCIDE " and so forth ... "
give me an at least one example when anyone from the state department, the pentagon, or the congress directly or indirectly has mad such a statement.
"whereis the moral of the usa ? do we have to wait each time usa gets angry to turkey to hope we will get something good out of it ? today ,monday , if you people follow the genocide news , is another imoral day like that in america ."
we'll get back to the moral of the u.s. after you answer to my questions addressed to you. until then, i want you to explain to me about the moral of the International Association of Genocide Scholars who openly declared that what the turks did was an act of genocide. you aren't gonna claim the genocide scholars from all parts of the world act by the orders of the u.s, , right?
"ok,lets get back to armenians living in turkey ..."
but don't forget you have earlier made several contradictory statements about the 'armenians living in turkey...'. you think after all that you are qualified to talk about millions of armenians who live in turkey?
"iwill ask you all a question now , and i want you people to answer mature and honest ."
what makes you think 'people' on this forum are not 'mature and honest'? are you questioning the moral of the forum members?
if all armenians leave turkey for good what is going to happen with all these :
what will happen with all these churches and our armenian graveyards (where me personally i have my family ancestors burried since 4 generations)"
what is this preconditioned thought you are inforcing upon people? who said the armenians will live the lands where they have lived since the birth day of this nation?
110 armenian churches
and what will happen with all these armenian orphanages and schools ?"
??? answer to the question from above, then we'll get back to this question.
58 armenian schools
what will happen with all the children in our orphanages ? "
who will then in future have the direct dialogue with the turkish government , if the diaspora so far rejects any dialogue ?"
the provocative nature of your question suggests that you are not giving an 'honest and mature' approach to the issue we talk about. the Armenian-genocide issue isn't a diaspora armenian issue. if the turks wanna dialogue, they must first do it with their own neighbor. the blockade of armenia by the turks from turkey and azerbaijan shows how much the filthy leftovers are interested to have dialogue. you think thecountry were the people are killed, imprisoned, and tortured for simply saying the word genocide will be able to have a dialogue?
another thing i would like you people also to consider and to realize is that not every armenian in turkey is rich and has the possibilities to move out of the country .'
well the turks are the mexicans of europe and they mostly live their country for europe in search of a better life. how many rich citizens of turkey do you know who left the country...?
"where did you get this number from?
3000 young armenians have already left the past weeks , "
"but dont think it is easy to split up families and friends and just leave a country where you have a job and an armenian social life"
just before the school day the children in turkey are foced to say 'i'm a turk, and i'm proude of that'. in a country were from the early age the people are poisoned to hate all the others who dare to be different you can't possible have an armenian social life. there are over 2 million hidden armenians who life in turkey. why you think that is? how you forgotten that the filthy turks even tried to prove that Mutafyan himself is not armenian? in a country where people are targeted simply for being different you can hardly have any kind of social life.Edit:
Fixed quotes - anoushik
Edited by anoushik, 23 July 2007 - 11:45 PM.