QUOTE (QueBeceR @ Feb 26 2005, 08:15 PM)
You got that all wrong.
Racism appeared in Germany as a racial classification and hierarchisation, this is the principle of racism as it appeared in the last century... non-equal right to live may just be a consequences of those beliefs, but not necessarily one. I may consider a dog as superior as a cat, yet I may maintain that both have equal right to live.
Oh man. QB, I didn't say only "rights to live". I said "live and etc.". Meaning all rights are equal. If Steiner was advocating for equal rights on everything how is it that he was viewing one SUPERIOR to other. Superior IN WHAT?
Secondo, you can not compare NAZIsm with Anthroposophism by using NAZI brutal regime, because one had only a mystical component, while the other was mystical AND “governmental.” And I think here you did not understand my comment about “competition.” They were not competing for power, but rather ideology... this can be confirmed by what the founders of NAZIsm did not long before Steiner death, and how it is claimed that this led to his death.
So, now you move Anthroposophy to the level of ideology. Great QB! Do you know what the difference between something "sophy" and ideology? It is that something "sophy" never tries to gain organised political power. Anthroposopists never tried to gain organised political power. They have never had a collective center, any colletive finance. What "competition" are you talking about? They have always been a discentralised, anarchist (in organisational sense) movement.
If I don't try to gain political power, so what is it that I do? Do you know? I speak and argue.
“He was refering to the Old Testament”
What kind of BS is this? Steiner racism is clear cut, and yet you try to hide it under the carpet by claiming he had no brutal system, or that his concept about the Jews is derived from the old Testament. I fail to see, how any of your justifications may show me that his claim about the two missions of the Jews and why their existence is no longer justified is not similar to the ideologies vehiculed by the NAZI.
His concept is not DERIVED from the old testament. I said it is DIRECTED AGAINST Old Testament. Are all Jews Old Testament Jews? No. Are there any Jews that are against Old Testament? Yes.
I also think that the values of Old Testament are no justified. Do you have other views about the Old Testament QB?
I DON”T SEE HOW HIS “ARYAN ORIGINAL RACE” IS NOT RACIST. Explain me that part, stop diverting it. Explain me how his seven stages of so-called “enlightenment” are not racistic. Explain me how his bullcrap of the superior Aryan race having come from Atlantis(he claims communicating with those from there) and have founded all high, superior cultures(blue eyes blound haired) is not racist... explain me how his conception that those on the bottom Blacks, and those on top Aryan is not racist. You claim he did not claim superiority, but this does not make sense at all, his theory of reincarnation from the bottom to the top is just that... those ideologies are the foundations of the mystical NAZI ideologies of races. That you post me links, to justify and claim how great Steiner was, doesn't change anything here.
Replace "Aryan" with "Caucasian" and replace "Race" with "Ethnos" and you will have what he meant. Beacause in the days he wrote his works "race" and "aryan" where not yet scandalised by the fact of Holocaust occurence.
QB, do you understand what idea I get when you start "bombarding" me with repetative que of questions, some of which I already answered? I think you want to make me confused about what and when to reply.
Just answer this, how his hierarchisation of “races” is not racistic, when it is about the classification of races, those on the bottom(Blacks) and those on top Aryans. Tell me how this is not racistic, and tell me if you agree with this theory of his.
It is a hierarchisation in time according to the stages of historical development. He is talking about the difference of emotional forces that were stronger then and weaker now and vica versa. For example he is saying that the sexual emotional world of the humans was developed during the "black period". And it was stronger then than now.
Once he put it in a board in "down to up" version. You know why? To reflect the human being. Aren't you sexual organs at the bottom of your organism?
And this started all that talk about his hierarchisation according to superiority. That's just not true.
Just answer me about if you believe him having spoken with the inhabitants of Atlantis.
QB, that's cheap. Like you don't know what he meant by that? What do you want me to do? To say that he flew on a magical carpet back to Atlanis and bought some Chinese noodles from the Yellow race?
What were you saying about that mystical feeling and trees and stuff you had in the "Miracles" thread?
There are many great men, yet people chose Chinmoys and Steiners.
QB, your not interested in discussion. And I am not interested in discussing it with you. I don't get anything valuable from you when doing this and I don't find you constructive anymore.