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#21 Arpa

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE(Korelyi @ Dec 23 2006, 01:28 AM) View Post
I also forgot to add, am I correct in my spelling here?

Բարեւ, ինչպե՛ս եք:

Caution. This is much much advanced, even beyond my expertise.
Very good Korelyi.
Don’t let those who are addicted to the Soviet/Abeghian orthography, who have all but forgotten why Mashtots devised the E and the YE, to see this.
It is not ինչպԵս it is ինչպԷս
As above, allow me to start at the top. When the sound turns to I in declension then it is Է. ՊԷՍ means kind/condition as in when when one says “barev, inches eq? some may answer; Shat lav, inchpes e dserin vobIsoutyun@ որպիսութիւնը . Here we , once again see that E turns into I.Ե and Է were never meant to sound alike. According to some the Է was meant to sound something between E and I, whatever that may be. Tome it means that Է was meant to sound like the A as in “bad” and the Ե was devised to sound that in Erevan. Of course, throughout the years , to spite turkification nd arabization we have all but forgotten that at one time we had the sound of E as in “bad”, which many provincial dialects still maintain, and remanded both Ե and Է to sound alike.
Once again, when in declension it turns into I as ser-sirel/սէր- սիրելit is Է not Ե.
Dear Korelyi, regardless, this is advanced orthographical lesson that even evades most of our arm enologists here.
Dear Korelyi, let me not scare you. We understand you, and we love you.. Please do learn and write in Armenian no matter if it is Է or Ե. Many so called arm Armenologists here don’t know the difference either.

Edited by Arpa, 22 December 2006 - 08:36 PM.


#22 Dave

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 08:49 PM

Yeah, but inchbes is with է because you can turn it into "inchbiszi"; Arpa explained it well. However, it's hard for a newcomer, as the language is very unique as you might have noticed.

ե and է don't have any differences in pronounciation; both are pronounced "e" as in "hey". However, when ե is the first letter of a word, you pronounce it "ye" as in "yet".

I hope I don't sound harsh.
Where are you exactly from Korelyi?

Arpa, the Georgian language isn't in a better situation, i.e.:

gvprtskvni: "you peel us"
gvbrdgvni: "you tear us"

#23 Korelyi

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 09:04 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Dec 22 2006, 09:49 PM) View Post
Yeah, but inchbes is with է because you can turn it into "inchbiszi"; Arpa explained it well. However, it's hard for a newcomer, as the language is very unique as you might have noticed.

ե and է don't have any differences in pronounciation; both are pronounced "e" as in "hey". However, when ե is the first letter of a word, you pronounce it "ye" as in "yet".

I hope I don't sound harsh.
Where are you exactly from Korelyi?

Arpa, the Georgian language isn't in a better situation, i.e.:

gvprtskvni: "you peel us"
gvbrdgvni: "you tear us"


I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand. I only know the Armenian vowels, and even those are difficult.

What do you mean 'Inchbes becomes inchbiszi'?

Ah, I see.

No, you don't sound harsh.

I am from the United States.

#24 Korelyi

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 09:06 PM

QUOTE(Korelyi @ Dec 22 2006, 10:04 PM) View Post
I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand. I only know the Armenian vowels, and even those are difficult.

What do you mean 'Inchbes becomes inchbiszi'?

Ah, I see.

No, you don't sound harsh.

I am from the United States.


I totally didn't see the other post there. Let me go read that and perhaps all will become clear. tongue.gif

#25 Korelyi

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 09:12 PM

Okay, wow. That's difficult to understand...

So, there really is no difference between է and ե? Are there rules as to when to use what? I know you're trying to explain that to me, but I just don't get it.

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 12:43 AM

Ե = E Europa Եւրոպա

Է = E+I Սէր / Seir

When we use that word ''Seir'' in a sentence, ''E'' cancel, ''I'' remain.

Like es qez ku sirem Koreyli Ես քեզ կը սիրեմ Կորեյլի.

notice the word seir became sirel.

However, all Armenians pronounce words like ''seir'' as ''ser'', that is why it is difficult for you to learn the orthography. Therefore I advice you to read Armenian literature written in Mesropean orthography, until you can recognize the differences between Ե & Է:
Every ''E'' turns into ''I'' write with Է

Edited by Johannes, 23 December 2006 - 12:44 AM.


#27 Korelyi

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 01:28 AM

QUOTE(Johannes @ Dec 23 2006, 01:43 AM) View Post
Ե = E Europa Եւրոպա

Է = E+I Սէր / Seir

When we use that word ''Seir'' in a sentence, ''E'' cancel, ''I'' remain.

Like es qez ku sirem Koreyli Ես քեզ կը սիրեմ Կորեյլի.

notice the word seir became sirel.

However, all Armenians pronounce words like ''seir'' as ''ser'', that is why it is difficult for you to learn the orthography. Therefore I advice you to read Armenian literature written in Mesropean orthography, until you can recognize the differences between Ե & Է:
Every ''E'' turns into ''I'' write with Է


Oh, I see now. I'll get my hands on some Armenian literature as soon as I can. It would help me a lot.

Does anyone have some good books to suggest in Armenian that can be ordered in the US? I'm a fantasy/history buff, if that says anything. I've been wanting to get an Armenian Bible, so if anyone knows how to get an Armenian Bible, that would be great.

#28 hosank

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 12:08 PM

where in the US do you live?

#29 Korelyi

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE(hosank @ Dec 23 2006, 01:08 PM) View Post
where in the US do you live?


Florida, in the southeast.

#30 Korelyi

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 03:00 PM

One thing I would like to know is, how do the sounds ու become a 'u'?

#31 SanVal

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 02:21 AM

"oo" you mean?

#32 Korelyi

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 08:18 AM

QUOTE(SanVal @ Dec 24 2006, 03:21 AM) View Post
"oo" you mean?


Err, yeah.

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE(Korelyi @ Dec 24 2006, 06:18 AM) View Post
Err, yeah.



I don't know why I asked. I don't have an explanation for that. tongue.gif

#34 Korelyi

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 12:47 PM

QUOTE(SanVal @ Dec 24 2006, 01:38 PM) View Post
I don't know why I asked. I don't have an explanation for that. tongue.gif


Lol, well at least now I know what it actually is ('oo', not 'u'). tongue.gif

#35 Korelyi

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 01:04 PM

Okay, I wanted to check my sentence structure an spelling.

Am I correct in the sentence 'Where is the dog?' Որտեղ շունը՞հ է:

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 11:46 PM

QUOTE(Korelyi @ Dec 24 2006, 11:04 AM) View Post
Okay, I wanted to check my sentence structure an spelling.

Am I correct in the sentence 'Where is the dog?' Որտեղ շունը՞հ է:

It's supposed to be Որտե՞ղ է շունը:

In Armenian the question mark goes directly on the word that's asking the question.

#37 Korelyi

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 12:03 AM

QUOTE(anoushik @ Dec 25 2006, 12:46 AM) View Post
It's supposed to be Որտե՞ղ է շունը:

In Armenian the question mark goes directly on the word that's asking the question.


Hmm... now how did you get that?

I thought there were specific suffixes for the word 'The' when applied to words.

Thanks for that clarification. So, it's applied to words like 'Who, what, where, why, etc.'?

I'm curious as to why the է came before 'the dog' in this sentence? I though that normally the word 'is' comes after the word being modified, such as in Իմ անունս Ճօնատհան է: (My name is Jonathan).

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 02:48 AM

QUOTE(Korelyi @ Dec 24 2006, 10:03 PM) View Post
Hmm... now how did you get that?

I thought there were specific suffixes for the word 'The' when applied to words.

Thanks for that clarification. So, it's applied to words like 'Who, what, where, why, etc.'?

I'm curious as to why the է came before 'the dog' in this sentence? I though that normally the word 'is' comes after the word being modified, such as in Իմ անունս Ճօնատհան է: (My name is Jonathan).


as in english, the sequense changes when you're asking a question...

'my name is jonathan'... 'what is my name'?
իմ անունը հովնաթան է... ի՞նչ է իմ անունը...

#39 iminhokis

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 12:54 AM

if you read french, this website may be a good help:

http://www.haydjampa...hayotslezou.htm

there is also an english lesson on armeniapedia http://www.armeniape...rmenian_Lessons

good luck

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 01:21 AM

QUOTE(iminhokis @ Dec 26 2006, 01:54 AM) View Post
if you read french, this website may be a good help:

http://www.haydjampa...hayotslezou.htm

there is also an english lesson on armeniapedia http://www.armeniape...rmenian_Lessons

good luck


Thanks.

I don't know a bit of French, sorry.

But I am already doing the Armeniapedia lessons. Thanks.




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