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[sen_Vahan]

All right, people, thank you for the posts...
Let me just write what I am thinking about this project. We all realise that this will not give a language course obviously and we cannot cover the Grammar/Pron-ion/writing/reading/spelling but the part of the part that we might cover could indeed help people to improove some language skills. If some time later we realise that it is not going to work and it is absolutely useless then we can easily give up...

I would like to ask everybody who speaks Armenian to give us a hand and make a contribution.As I see there ARE many people here that are really good in Armenian. I think with the help of these guys something may be done!

Lala jan, would you please help us... If you are in Armenia now, please, ask your school or university friends who have access to the Internet to come to this forum and make a contribution to this topic. About your English: I am pretty sure we all (I DID say ALL) will be happy to help you with the English, you and your frineds as well if they also need help. Do you agree that this is a good way to brush up your communication skills in English?Much better since it is a first-hand aid from fluents! I also think that might be a good way for those learning Armenian.

If anybody has any suggestions or ideas please post in Language Project not here.

If you can type in Armenian that is fine!!! What we can also do is giving the links to the Inet sources for Armenian - online Armenian/English/Armenian Vocabularies, textbooks (I do not have any commercial interests... ), alphabets, etc.

Shat lav, @nkerner, huys unem, ays teman chi vergana 2-3 namakneriz heto: Ete zankutyun@ goyutyun uni, chem kartsum, vor ays plan@ apaga chi unena:

Does anybody have a question? Ask a question in Armenian!

Shnorhakalutyun,
Vahan

[Harut]

Misht Pastrast!
Isk yerp yev inchpes enq skselu das@ntatsner@?

[Lala]

Vahan jan... es el shat urax klinem, inch vor banov ogtakar linel... manavand hajeren lezvi harcum.. vorvehetev menq hajers normal chenq xosum hajeren, shat ruseren (inchu che naev angleren:))) baren enq ogtagortsum, ev shat angam ajd bari hajeren tarberaky chgitenq, vory shat cavali e...

Harc??
Isk inchpes enq irakanacnelu ajd amboxgy, es chem patkeracnum????
Ev ov giti, qani hogi ka Hye forumum, vor hajastanabnak en?

Es kashaxtem hnaravorin chapov hajabnaknerin asel Hye Forumi masin, chishtn asats chem kartsum... vor shatery khetaqrqrven, vorovhetev mer haj eritasardneric shateri mtqery hima bolorovin urish banerov en zbaxvats...
Hamenajn deps, hujsners urishneri vra chdnenq, ev ashxatenq ajs ameny irakanacnel ajnqan mardov inchqan vor kan hima Hye forumum )

Lala

[sen_Vahan]

We can use just this topic. Those who have questions or problems with their Armenian can ask for help right here in this topic. So, I am waiting for people to take part in that and tell us if they have problems with the language. How is going to work? I think they ask questions and those who can help post the answers. And that might be a good communication.

Vahan

[Arpa]

Vahan, Lala et al.
Shat lav gaghapar e.
Housam k@ hajoghi.
Before the idea catches on and proceeds there are a few issues to consider.
The process may work in both directions, as some may wish to improve their English, I am sure there may also be those who would like to improve their Armenian.
However some issues must be addressed and rules set, mainly in the issue of transliteration, taradartsoum. It is obvious that those from Yerevan use a transliteration heavily affected by Russian and Slavic while those accustomed to the Diaspora dialects mainly use phonetic.
To illustrate, look at Lana's post where she, whether intentionally or by accident, uses the "x" to sound both as the first letter in "xaxox"˳ÕáÕ (grape)just as in the 3rd and 6th letters. To avoid confusion issues of such nature should be addressed and a uniform format adopted.

[Harut]

Dear Arpa, good point.
that's why i'm proposing a Standart Armenian Alphabit Specially for the Internet (SAASI).

this will work particulary for Eastern Armenian.
i have got some repetitions, so please help me out.
also, can someone add the pronounciations?
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the name in Armenian - the letter in English

ayb - a
ben - b
gim - g
da - d
yech- ye (e)
za - z
e - e
at - @
to - t
dhze- jh
ini - i
lun - l
khe - x
tsa - ~
ke - k
ho - h
dza - dz
ghat- gh
jhe - &
men - m
hi - y
nu - n
sha - sh
vo - vo (o)
cha - ch
pe - p
je - j
ra - r
se - s
ve - v
tun - t
re - r
tso - ts
vun - u
pyur- %
qe - q
yev - yev (ev)
o - o
fe - f

[MosJan]

HArout jan urish el inch karas anes vro im kyanq@ djvarana ??

[Harut]

Mosvses jan, duq tuyl eq tvel hetevyal qerakanakan yev ughghagrakan sxalner@:

Mosjan, mots vonts statsvets? husov em miqich kyanqd heshtatsav hima?
Mos jan, mi hat anhames harts tam eli, yete kareli a iharke. Movses jan, inchu es du misht vor-i tegh@ vro grum?
ughaki shat hetaqrqir a. irakanum el aytents es artasanum, te ughaki shit nuyn sxaln es anum?

[MosJan]

Patasxanem qo Hartsit Harutyun jan Qani vor - vor greluts chem uzum mek@ vor haskana xosk@ chi verabervum vorin iyl vorin

husov em karoratsa batsatrel te vor vori masin e xosq@, qan vor mardiq kan vor shpotum en vor@ vori het

jishtn asats indzmot mi qani barer kan Vorr misht etpes en - The - Vor - This - ys sranq misht arag tpelu jamanak tars yev shitak em t@pum hima haskatsar te inchu em vro grum vori ter@ - de urish vroyi hartser mi tur

[ April 05, 2002, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: MosJan ]

[sen_Vahan]

"Mosjan, mots vonts statsvets? husov em miqich kyanqd heshtatsav hima? Mos jan, mi hat anhames harts tam eli, yete kareli a iharke. "

Harut jan, voch te 'kareli a' ayl 'kareli e'....

"Movses jan, inchu es du misht vor-i tegh@ vro grum? "

Shat lav harz e, yes shut ei der uzum ays harz@ tal, bayz amachum ei....

"ughaki shat hetaqrqir a."

Harut jan, voch mi "a" !!!! Miayn "e"...... Naxadasutyan vergum ":", voch te '.'.....

" irakanum el aytents es artasanum, te ughaki shit nuyn sxaln es anum? "

Irakanum el aydpes es artasanum, te ughaki misht nuyn sxaln es anum (aveli lav klini ogtagorzel 'nuyn sxaln es tuyl talis')...

Arpa jan, shnorhakalutyun bari magtankneri hamar! es el huys unem kashxati... Haruti aragarkaz@ lav mitk e, bayz inz tvum e, vor amenahest@ hayeren tpeln e....
Gitem, voch bolor@ hamapatasxan fonter unen, bayz ete voroshenk bolors nuyn font@ ogtagorzel, inz tvum e problem chi aragana:

Vahan

[MosJan]

"Arpa jan, shnorhakalutyun bari magtankneri hamar! es el huys unem kashxati... Haruti aragarkaz@ lav mitk e, bayz inz tvum e, vor amenahest@ hayeren tpeln e....
Gitem, voch bolor@ hamapatasxan fonter unen, bayz ete voroshenk bolors nuyn font@ ogtagorzel, inz tvum e problem chi aragana:

Vahan "

Hayeren tpelu het hamadziyn em, sakayn mi mortasir vor ken mer mej mardiq vorenq Haykakan AyBuBenov grel kardal chgiten sakayn iyspes karoranum en artahaytvel, grel, kardal.

MOvses

[Harut]

Vahan jan, im yerkrord paragraph@ hashv cher:

Bayts qani VOR aydpes voroshetsir, kportsem xosel miayn grakan lezvov:
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i just realized. paragraph in Armenian reffers to something else (i.e. chapter, unit). how would paragraph be in Armenian, i forgot?

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Arpa jan, shnorhakalutyun bari magtankneri hamar! es el huys unem kashxati... Haruti aragarkaz@ lav mitk e, bayz inz tvum e, vor amenahest@ hayeren tpeln e....
Gitem, voch bolor@ hamapatasxan fonter unen, bayz ete voroshenk bolors nuyn font@ ogtagorzel, inz tvum e problem chi aragana:

Vahan

Txaner,"bari maghtanq" che,ayl` "baremaghtanq". )

[Harut]

Shorhakalutyun, Movses: Yes el mtatsum ei, karogh e patahi mer Movses@ tlik e?

[sen_Vahan]

http://www.omniglot....ng/armenian.htm

Guys, if you need to learn the alphabet you can find it there!....
THOTH, I think you should use this link!!!

Im kartsikov, petk e sksel aybubeniz:

Vahan

[sen_Vahan]

" just realized. paragraph in Armenian reffers to something else (i.e. chapter, unit). how would paragraph be in Armenian, i forgot?"

Chapter, unit = glux, mas, hatvaz, surah(raffin er sirum ogtagorzel), paragraph(dasagrkerum)

[Lala]

Harut jan, kneres, bajc qo grats ajbubeni neg 4 hat sxal em gtel:)))
Aha`
ke - k, voch te "ke" ajl "ken"
ve - v, voch te "ve" ajl "vev"
tun - t, voch te "tun" ajl "tyun"
vun - u, voch te "vun" ajl "vyun"

Lala

[ April 05, 2002, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: Lala ]

[MosJan]

Apres LaLa

Harout jan de xosa es cherni te ter@t posa ?

Lav hamuzetsiq " yekekq Grenq / Xosenq Hayeren.

inch el lava hnchum - Xosenq Hayeren !!!

Movses Pasadenatsi

[sen_Vahan]

Look at this - http://www2.primusho.../alphawest.html