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#21 Yervant1


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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:34 PM

I am not a nationalist, but what happened was genocide: Mahçupyan

15:38, 28 March, 2015

YEREVAN, 28 MARCH, ARMENPRESS. Senior Advisor to the Prime Minister of
Turkey, Istanbul-Armenian Etyen Mahçupyan, who is recently standing
out with his anti-Armenian statements, has declared that he considers
the events of 1915 as Genocide. As "Armenpress" reports, citing the
Turkish Haberler.com, this is what Mahçupyan talked about during a
roundtable discussion on "Understanding Change: The Era of JDP in
Turkey" in London.

He reiterated the statement that he had made in Belgium, stating that
even though he is Armenian, he considers himself an Ottoman. "As I
said yesterday, I feel more like an Ottoman than an Armenian. I am not
a nationalist, but I use the term "Armenian Genocide" when touching
upon the topic of the genocide of 1915. I believe what happened was
genocide since there is a clear formulation of genocide, and what
happened falls in line with that formulation. If you change the
formulation, the events may not be considered as genocide. Many people
might not understand me. Genocide is not a historical formulation, but
a legal term," Mahçupyan mentioned.

On 27 March, Turkish presses reported that the Senior Advisor to
Turkey's Prime Minister had said he did not care if the Armenians
referred to him as a "traitor". "After all, each Armenian has a
different view. It's very likely that there are Armenians who refer to
me as a "traitor", but that does not matter," he added.


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Posted 17 April 2015 - 10:52 AM

Finally he saw the light, what was he thinking?


Etyen Mahcupyan steps down

The first ever member of Turkey's Armenian community to hold the post of senior advisor to the Turkish prime minister has retired, an official told AFP Thursday, after he described the mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as a "genocide."
According to AFP, the official, who asked not to be named, denied any link between the departure of Etyen Mahcupyan and the looming 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide.
Mahcupyan, 65, "has retired on the grounds of age," the official said, noting this was the age limit for all Turkish civil servants.
Mahcupyan, who was appointed last year as senior advisor to Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, infuriated some within the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) this week when he qualified the mass killings of Armenians as a "genocide," AFP says. 
"If accepting that what happened in Bosnia and Africa were genocides, it is impossible not to call what happened to Armenians in 1915 genocide too," Mahcupyan said in an interview published this week.


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Posted 17 April 2015 - 11:40 AM


13:33 * 17.04.15

The appointment of Etyen Mahcupyan as chief advisor to Turkey's premier
and his retirement is nothing, but a part of a "democratic" show made
by Turkey, expert in Turkic studies Ruben Melkonyan told Tert.am.

"Turkey has found itself is a rather serious situation after the Pope's
remark and the European Parliament's resolution. And pretending to be
a tolerant state allowing people to organize academic comnferences
on the Armenian Genocide has actually proved to be a show. And the
current development in Turkey are the best evidence of that state's
thinking," Mr Melkonyan said.

According to the Hurriyet newspaper, the reason for Mahcupyan leaving
his post is his age.

His recent statement on the killings of Armenians in 1915 at the hands
of the Ottoman Empire were a "genocide," evoked a strong reaction
in Turkey.

Asked if Mahcupyan used the term "genocide" because he was aware he
would retire for age reasons, Mr Melkonyan said:

"Etyen Mahcupyan may have been involved in general tendency. Although
he hardly has any serious ties with the Armenians and cannot be
considered an Armenian figure, he is an intellectual and cannot stand
aloof from international tendencies."

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:47 AM


May 22, 2015


Etyen Mahcupyan's "Compensation and territory" published May 12,
2015 in the Turkish Daily Sabah is a mass of drivel that constitutes
an affront to human decency and intellect. Please, feel free to read
it in its entirety. I will just address the most flagrant fallacies.

You might remember that Mahcupyan is an academic who worked at the
Armenian newspaper "Agos", then moved to Gulenist circles, and finally
ended up in AKP's (Erdoghan's party) orbit, even serving briefly
as an advisor to Prime Minister Davutoglu before his conscience
finally got in the way and he dared say "Genocide". Interestingly,
his surname describes well the spirit underlying this horrible op-ed
piece. While the root word, starting in Arabic means "veiled", as I
have come to understand the word based on conversation and Turkish
dictionaries, in practice it means: mousy, diffident, ashamed,
embarrassed, timid... you get the idea.

Hopefully, Etyen will see this piece and change his tune some.

"... a deeper perspective might suggest that a deliberate ambiguity
is created and the complex psychology of the Armenians lies behind it."

This strikes me as psychobabble deliberately used to distract the
reader from the real and relatively simple principles undegirding
any solution to the Armenian Question.

"...it is difficult to believe that the demand for territory has any
hope of being realized."

The flaw in the last sentence is painfully obvious, yet many people
make this or similar arguments, all the time.

1- If we don't pursue a goal we are CERTAIN not to achieve it;

2- No one would have believed, in 1980, the Soviet Union would collapse
just a decade, so arguing that territorial/frontier changes have no
hope of being realized is vacuous.

"... territory does not change hands on the basis of consent in the
world of nation states."

Really? How then are we to describe the land swap that occurred
between Iran and Turkey in 1930's thanks to which pan-Turkist ideals
were served by giving Trueky a direct border with Nakhichevan?

"... as two member countries of the U.N., Turkey and Armenia must
respect each other's territorial integrity."

Fair enough, but the current border/frontier is ILLEGAL, Mahcupyan
should know this well. The LEGAL border/frontier is the one established
by President Woodrow Wilson's Arbitral Award. Even a cursory review
of Ara Papian's massive studies in this field makes it evident.

On the other hand, such a demand has a weak historical basis in that
the lands inhabited by Armenians in the past did not belong to them
(with the exception of those that constituted individual properties),
but to the Ottoman Empire.

Really? Why is the Ottoman Empire the starting point? Why not the
Cilician, Pakradouni, Arshagouni, or any other ARMENIAN kingdom or
principality? What about the human right of self determination? What
about the foundational concept legitimizing nation-states?

"... until the Ottoman Empire collapsed, no soil was regarded as
the territory of any ethnic group... Later, "Turks" took possession
of those lands... we have to acknowledge that Turkish nationalism's
assertion to be the continuation of the empire is stronger than that
of the Armenians, as far as the transitivity between Ottomanism and
Turkism is concerned.

I'm happy to see that Mahcupyan at least affirms the CONTINUITY of the
two Turkish states--Ottoman and Republican. But once again taking the
Ottoman Empire as the definitive starting point constitutes a flawed
approach. he should thus at least be able to understand why Ankara
is TODAY accountable to the Armenian nation for past misdeeds. Also,
it is not any portion of "Anatolia" that is in question, but the
Armenian Plateau (or Highlands). This linguistic legerdemain helps
confuse the uninformed. Asia Minor, which today's Turkey occupies
much of, is NOT synonymous with Anatolia. Rather, Anatolia and the
Armenian Plateau are PARTS OF Asia Minor.

The issue of compensation ... we deliberately want to leave it
ambiguous as well. Being content with the revival of Armenian heritage
in Anatolia as compensation does not seem satisfactory enough or
significant enough for the Armenian diaspora in that it is not very
clear to what extent Anatolia is their homeland... it would be rather
unethical to demand money in return for what was experienced. Who
can measure those sorrows and estimate a price for them? Thus,
the world of "compensation" is being kept on the agenda. However,
it will always remain futile.

Wow, more fatuous Mahcupyanisms! What does "revival of Armenian
heritage in Anatolia" mean? The goal is to return their as a
nation/people and have all stolen property returned to us. And why
is compensation for the property (real and movable) unethical? It
is simple:

1- Real estate gets returned to descendants of the original owners

2- Money similarly gets returned to descendants of the original owners

3-The value of expropriated goods, too, gets returned to descendants
of the original owners, unless the original goods themselves can
be returned.

4- When descendants do not exist, or at least cannot be found, the
above three are placed in a trust of some sor,t administered by the
Armenian nation (exactly how remains to be determined since it must
NOT be a exclusively governmental entity).

>From the Armenians' perspective, the triplet of recognition,
compensation and territory constitutes a holy integration.


Recognition is the most important one and the necessary first steps,
without which, the next steps are impossible.

TOTALLY FALSE- each one stands on its own set of legal legs

"... from Turkey's point of view, recognition is not possible before
demands for compensation and territory become "realistic," ... no
progress has been made on this topic for many years, and this deadlock
might continue for centuries...

What a great way to excuse Turkish unwillingness to do the right thing.

Please, anyone who knows this Etyen Mahcupyan guy, please tell him
to just be quiet and stop embarasing himself, offending Armenians,
and making progress on the Armenian Question more difficult.


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