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[khodja]

My great-grandfather the real one with the title "Khodja" was the hreshdag. In the Winter of 1915, he rose in front of a hostile crowd of hundreds of young Armenians and stated "Aslaneh ge kenanagor, mi artensener." He was booed.

With powerful adversaries as we have in our part of the world we can not afford to lose any more to assimilation. We must loosen the litmus tests to be considered Armenian that exist. We can begin with Kasparov, and the wealthiest ges-Hye Chinese in Moscow, etc. I have been vehemently ridiculed before, but these are not the only times in our history that Jews or Chinese have assimilated INTO our community. What about the other ges-Hyes? Do you realize that the Jews welcome the ges-Herias? That is their strength. How many of you know that Barry Goldwater was a ges-Heria? Paul Newman? Goldie Hawn? etc. etc. We do not welcome such people. Arlene Francis Kazanjian, Cherilyn Sarkissian, Andre Agassi and others who do not even admit to being Armenian. When have you ever seen them at an Armenian function?

[MJ]

“Nastradamus,”

Most of the half or part Armenians, and some of them in my own family, have no negative experiences in their lives due to their genetic “status.” Most of the Armenians who embrace the Armenian values and the Armenian purpose, whatever it may mean, are embraced as Armenians. People are judged by their personalities. Any non Armenian, who connects somehow with the Armenians is embraced like Armenian.

Unfortunately, in our experience we come across with some half or whatever Armenians, who a priorily portray themselves as victims, while not being victims but elementary losers. It invites nothing but disgust. I would much rather prefer enemy Turks or whatever enemies than loser Armenians with a chip on their shoulders. Because they would definitely be the traitors and the back-stabbers under corresponding circumstances. That attitude of the loser Armenian invites nothing but a disgust. I don’t want to have anything common with him/her, and if I would meet him/her in a Forum or a supermarket, I would pretend not noticing him/her. The counting of “split peas in the soup” in either context invites nothing but resentment and contempt, and puts the “accountant” out of the normal.

You are a rather senior person, if I am not mistaken. Isn’t it time that you realize that you need to present yourself not as an 88% Armenian, but a fellow human being first, who shares our values, aspirations, and maybe even our flaws? Maybe than, others will take you at that?

By the way, the way you have described, you grandfather was far not a “Hreshdag.”

[khodja]

Do you consider Ara Baliozian a loser Armenian?

[MJ]

No, I don't. Becasue there is mountains of difference between what you are trying to do and what he is trying to do.

[khodja]

I don't think so. We both want to ameliorate the "Napoleoness" of the Armenian mentality, as mentioned by some German ambassador in Yerevan, who stated that every morning 3 million Napoleons wake up in Armenia.

As a member of the Church hierarchy you could never understand this, as it is your mission to stamp out heretical thought.

[MJ]

I don’t know to laugh at you or to feel sorry for you. I am inclined to do the second, however. Help me to make my mind, please.

I don’t think you have quite understood Ara, first of all. Second, someone who calls himself “Nastrodamus” is in no positions to criticize others for thinking of themselves as “Napoleons.” I have something for the German Ambassador, too, but this is not the place for it.

I have followed your postings, among others, in the other forum. I have always been puzzled at how presumptuous you were, how one sided you were in your thinking and how much you were in love with your image of a victim. Please don’t do it here, and try to be a little bit more meticulous studying your surroundings and the things that you don’t know, but about which you want to express opinions. Just for the kick of it, let me also tell you that never in my life I have been a member of a Church hierarchy, and have not even entered a building of a Church for perhaps some 15 years.

But for the sake of the fairness, I have also to admit that I have agreed with some of your positions and thoughts. You are just a very controversial person. But you are not too bad.

Now, here it is almost 1:30 AM, and I got to go to bed. Good night!

[gamavor]

MJ,

It is useless. The hell with khodjas all over the World

[gamavor]

" The bloody curtain has fallen over Zeitoun, and the fighting stock of these brave mountaineers has been subdued in this memorable year of crime! As the faithful followers and remnants of the Roupenian dynasty, they had hitherto kept their homes intact and had succesfully, withstood the Turkish inroads. They have at last been overcome by heavy Turkish forces, and the stronghold of Zeitoun in now in the hands of the enemy"!

" It appears that after the failure last winter of the projected Turkish plan of campaing against the Suez Canal, Djemal *****, the Commander of the Syrian Army, led a large force of regulars against Zeitoun. The Zeitountzis entrenched themselves in their fastness and fought for two or three months against an enemy which outnumbered them greatly, besided being assisted by heavy artilery, hoping that reinforcements would arrive in time for their support. But no help came adn they fought to their last cartridge. It was towards the end of May that Zeitoun was taken by the Turks, who massacred all the inhabitants they found. A few hundred old women are said to have been deported to Angora, and others to the plains of Mesopotamia, where report says they are being subjected to grave indignities"- indignities with which we have been acquainted already in Frauleein Rohner's description of Der-el-Zor, and which the wirter just quoted would have called by a stronger name, had he been acquainted with her terrible narrative."

To be continued....

[Juggernaut]

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I think it is quite interesting how certain Armenians (you?) despite having been in contact with the most advanced civilisation in SE Asia (Australia) have remained culturally backward.

Mind clarifying this statement, I dont see how my post may have bought someone to this conclusion, unless of course this individual happened to be a Turk.

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Maybe a one way ticket to Nauru would do you good, certainly it would do Australia good.

I doubt it will, because both my parents pay taxes and I will also be doing so after I graduate from university with a double degree. Professionals like me are in short supply.

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A cross section of Armenians will reveal some with the characteristic Asian eye structure as well.

I can in most cases tell an Armenian apart from any other Middle Easterner by their unique eyes. I am sure there is a very small cross section, but this is to be expected after living with Asians for over 1000 years.

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Now how many of you Armenian chauvinists

I am not an Armenian chauvenist, I am a nationalist however, and what are you?

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I am 88% Armenian as far as my heritage goes and by my interst in things Armenian, but in terms of mentality I am almost 0% Armenian.

mmmm, then I am afraid you are then almost 0% Armenian. Whos is this Ara fellow? I have never heard of him.

[ September 06, 2001: Message edited by: Juggernaut ]

[MJ]

I wonder how does one become 1/68 Armenian?

[elovna]

MJ it's easier that you think Maybe the Forum needs a topic "birds and bees"

[MJ]

You can open such topic in the "Love and Romance" thread, perhaps.

Is is also possible to create 1/67 or 3.14 Armenians?

[khodja]

Soon a such-percentaged Armenian will be sitting on the British throne. Somewhere in the heavens Elisa Kewark Forbes (nee Eliz Kevorkian)wil be looking down on her descendant.

[MJ]

So back to counting the number of split peas in the soup...

[khodja]

Sorry to disappoint you, but the most recent genetic studies, using the latest state of the art DNA technologies, come to some startling conclusions not only about the peas in the soup but about the base of the soup.

[MJ]

Last time I asked you to give some supporting evidence, you referred me to four Web sites. I visited them, and found not a shred of evidence supporting your "theory." Then you told me that you have heard about them in a private report of an Armenian specialist. Throughout months I observed the subject being elevated by you to a level of paranoia.

Finally, I find nothing more racist than your perpetual obsession the "base and the number of peas in the soup."

[khodja]

I will find those websites and post them again. How can you claim that studies conducted by a reknown ROA geneticist sponsored by the British government and other reknown geneticists is bogus?

[MJ]

This is a perfect demonstration of your paranoia. I haven't said anything of the kind - you just made it up. What I have said was or meant to be that the sites you referenced to me did not contemplate even a shred of such argument or evidence.
Bit let’s for a moment assume that you are right, and there is enough scientific evidence to support your allegations. What is your moral? What is our conclusion, and what should we do?

[elovna]

1/64 means that it happened exactly 5 generations ago. someone mussed have missed some periods then.

3,14... how can you come up with pi when tinking of creating Armenians

[MJ]

Armenian pie?