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#1 zagzig

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 11:47 AM

There was a book published recently about Armenian patriotic images - things that were produced to encourage Armenian identity, to agitate for action, to be propaganda for political causes, etc. Does anyone know the name of it - or better still have a copy of it.



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 11:57 AM

 

 

to agitate for action, to be propaganda for political causes, etc.

 

 


 

 

don't  have the book. i wish  i did ...

 

so if it's  your  best  friends in  turky or azerbejan  it's ok . it's  fine.

but  wan Armenian it's  to agitate or propaganda

 

 

be nice !!!



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 12:00 PM

Images like this sort of symbolic drawing. Printed in Geneva (but when?) and signed "Arakelian" (who was he?).

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Ararat is in the far distance, in the mid distance is a river with the outline of a large building (Ani cathedral?). At the right, Turkish hordes are approaching and above them is Death leading a flock of black birds. Scattered on the ground are discarded and broken impliments of culture and industry: a lyre with broken strings, a broken spade, a book with torn pages, a ruler and divider, fallen columns and capitals. The gravestone must have been drawn by someone who had never seen an actual khatchkar - which would auggest something drawn before the 1880s since by the 1880s reproductions of actual khatchkars had appeared in print.

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 12:03 PM

 

don't  have the book. i wish  i did ...
 
so if it's  your  best  friends in  turky or azerbejan  it's ok . it's  fine.
but  wan Armenian it's  to agitate or propaganda
 
 
be nice !!!

"Agitation" and "propaganda" are the correct art terms to use for certain types of political posters. It's OK if you don't want to use the correct terminology, but don't criticise those who do. Be nice.

Edited by zagzig, 06 February 2014 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 01:21 PM

Mr. zagzig or zigzag to you that picture is seen as agitation or propaganda, but to me it looks as telling the truth how the barbaric invaders did to civilization and culture, so why don't you be nice and have some turkish delight!!!!!!!!



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 02:32 PM

 

Mr. zagzig or zigzag to you that picture is seen as agitation or propaganda, but to me it looks as telling the truth how the barbaric invaders did to civilization and culture, so why don't you be nice and have some turkish delight!!!!!!!!

To be honest, if a member has no particular interest in concepts like agitation, or personifications, or allusions, or allegories, or referencing, or to what those things meant to the viewers and the creators of the objects that exhibited these characteristics, then I don't think they should be posting on this thread. 

I would like this thread to be about exploring examples of Armenian cultural and political ephemera from a particular time period - and what they meant to their contemporary viewers. So it is not a place to post your opinions about history or politics or nations - there seem to be plenty of existing threads for that anyway.

Edited by zagzig, 06 February 2014 - 02:40 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 02:33 PM

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What is writen on the book - what does it signify?

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 02:46 PM

It says light on the book, to me it means the invaders turned light into darkness, that's what it means today and that's what it was then. But I'm sure you knew that already.

 

I'm sure you don't need this explanation, as you can see that this picture is not propaganda because it shows how architecture, literature, arts (Music) are all destroyed and even the sword is broken.


Edited by Yervant1, 06 February 2014 - 02:52 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:01 PM

The first image must have created enough of an impression for it to be referenced again in this image. It is by the same artist, and the same printer, but is probably done at a later date. Maybe that book I mentioned would have some specific information about it.

 

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Now the Turkish hordes have been vanquished, driven off by armed fedayeen. The broken sword in the first image has been replaced by a pistol (see it beside his left hand). The overt Christian imagery in the first image - the gravestone with a cross - is gone. And above it all a winged figure holds an ARF banner, with the woman presenting her child to it (signifying the future?). Is the "explosion", just that, an explosive device, or is it a metaphor for something else?



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:12 PM

My friend you are reading far too much into this, first there is no pistol there at least to me it doesn't look like one. Bye the way what's wrong with desiring to get rid off the chains after so many centuries is that a crime?



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:16 PM

It says light on the book, to me it means the invaders turned light into darkness, that's what it means today and that's what it was then. But I'm sure you knew that already.

 

I'm sure you don't need this explanation, as you can see that this picture is not propaganda because it shows how architecture, literature, arts (Music) are all destroyed and even the sword is broken.

 

Huh - I pressed "like" when I meant to press "quote". Well, I liked the useful part - where you said what was on the book. I don't think you understood what I wrote about the purpose of this thread. The image IS propaganda: it is not depicting a real scene - it is entirely imaginary, deliberately unreal (note the dramatic sky and difference in level between the river and the slope up which the Turks advance), condensing beliefs and concepts into a message, and is full of tick-box images and metaphors designed to elicit in its viewers particular responses or prompt particular memories, or hark back to equivalent images used by other causes (I'm sure we could find similarities with images produced during the Greek war of independence).   



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:23 PM

My friend you are reading far too much into this, first there is no pistol there at least to me it doesn't look like one. Bye the way what's wrong with desiring to get rid off the chains after so many centuries is that a crime?

 

There is a pistol - just look. And I bet it is a mauser (or at least what the artist thought a mauser looked like).  And what you said earlier "turned light into darkness" is an example of a metaphor, and is exactly the sort of meaning I want to tease out of the images -  so I don't understand why you still don't seem to know what I'm aiming for in this thread?

 

I don't think it is going to be possible to do anything useful with this thread. :( I won't add anything more to it until I see something added to it by someone else that I think advances it.

 

So far, for me, it's been rather like, say, trying to discuss medieval Adam and Eve imagery and getting replies like "look at her tits!" or "Yes, God is great, he created the world" or "this is a factual image - are you implying that God did not create the world?". :(


Edited by zagzig, 06 February 2014 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:25 PM

What you did not give the like? Darn now I'm really pissed. Listen you are fishing but sorry to tell you that there are no fishes here not even sardines. Why don't we agree to disagree, you see what you like and let me see what I want to you it's revolt and agitation to me it's resistance.



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:38 PM

The pistol:

 

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