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#41 Anonymouse

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 12:18 AM

QUOTE(nairi @ Aug 10 2007, 06:52 PM)
Yes, it does. And everything else that goes with it, including looks, social status, intelligence, sense of humor, etc.

That many women make mistakes is also a fact, but it doesn't take away the fact that what she is primarily looking for is the best out of the bunch, in order to start a family. That is her primary goal.

Yes, women tend to be pickier than men, but once they are attracted, it is as hard for them to restrain themselves as it is for men.

As to the rest: you are not taking into consideration that women have not had the right to explore their sexuality in patriarchal societies. When given the freedom, women can get as aroused as men when looking at porn (provided it is "female-friendly" to whatever extent that is possible--i.e. non-rape porn), at a sexy actor in a film, and a friendly colleague. And I'll tell you one more secret: around ovulation, a woman's sexuality is perhaps ten times that of a man. And don't get me started on masturbation. The main reason why it is still a taboo for women is because they have been instilled with shame, and not because they don't feel the necessity, or don't enjoy it once they discover it.


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Posted 12 August 2007 - 06:28 AM

QUOTE(Anonymouse @ Aug 12 2007, 08:18 AM)
No thread is complete without a feminist interjection. smile.gif


What's your point? That female sexuality is in reality non-existent, but a myth that modern feminists have created in an attempt to become like men? huh.gif

#43 Anonymouse

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Aug 12 2007, 07:28 AM)
What's your point? That female sexuality is in reality non-existent, but a myth that modern feminists have created in an attempt to become like men? huh.gif


Assumptions are the mother of all phuck ups, as someone once said.

My point was only what I stated, you made a feminist interjection with the feminist lingo and male oppression and other modifier words that are usually prevalent in feminist posts.

I never said anything about female sexuality or of its existence or non-existence.



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Posted 12 August 2007 - 05:56 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Aug 10 2007, 04:52 PM)
Yes, it does. And everything else that goes with it, including looks, social status, intelligence, sense of humor, etc.

That many women make mistakes is also a fact, but it doesn't take away the fact that what she is primarily looking for is the best out of the bunch, in order to start a family. That is her primary goal.

Yes, women tend to be pickier than men, but once they are attracted, it is as hard for them to restrain themselves as it is for men.

As to the rest: you are not taking into consideration that women have not had the right to explore their sexuality in patriarchal societies. When given the freedom, women can get as aroused as men when looking at porn (provided it is "female-friendly" to whatever extent that is possible--i.e. non-rape porn), at a sexy actor in a film, and a friendly colleague. And I'll tell you one more secret: around ovulation, a woman's sexuality is perhaps ten times that of a man. And don't get me started on masturbation. The main reason why it is still a taboo for women is because they have been instilled with shame, and not because they don't feel the necessity, or don't enjoy it once they discover it.


"As to the rest: you are not taking into consideration that women have not had the right to explore their sexuality in patriarchal societies."


This is one of the biggest lie I have ever heard. Women in harem know more about sex than most women from the socalled open societies. Even in the armenian reality the role of women is different from what they try to present to the outside world.



"That many women make mistakes is also a fact, but it doesn't take away the fact that what she is primarily looking for is the best out of the bunch, in order to start a family. That is her primary goal."

'Best out of the bunch"? What if you stop the ''arevtur' and start to look for someone who can bring 'berkranq' u 'nerdashankutyun' to your life?
Cankacats mijavayrum/hamakargum baroyahoqebanakan mtnolort@ dzevavorvum e knoj kogmic. If needed to claim credit, most women say 'if it wasn't for women, men would still live in the cave'...when it comes to relationships, the 'primary goal' for the kind of women you have mentioned, has become to find a working donkey. Who got time 'to explore their sexuality' when your primary goal is 'your social status'!?!

I bet you either have no man next to you...or the one you got is either too aggressive or too quiet.


Edited by Aratta-Kingdom, 12 August 2007 - 06:49 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2007 - 12:00 AM

QUOTE(Aratta-Kingdom @ Aug 12 2007, 06:56 PM)
"As to the rest: you are not taking into consideration that women have not had the right to explore their sexuality in patriarchal societies."
This is one of the biggest lie I have ever heard. Women in harem know more about sex than most women from the socalled open societies. Even in the armenian reality the role of women is different from what they try to present to the outside world.
"That many women make mistakes is also a fact, but it doesn't take away the fact that what she is primarily looking for is the best out of the bunch, in order to start a family. That is her primary goal."

'Best out of the bunch"? What if you stop the ''arevtur' and start to look for someone who can bring 'berkranq' u 'nerdashankutyun' to your life?
Cankacats mijavayrum/hamakargum baroyahoqebanakan mtnolort@ dzevavorvum e knoj kogmic. If needed to claim credit, most women say 'if it wasn't for women, men would still live in the cave'...when it comes to relationships, the 'primary goal' for the kind of women you have mentioned, has become to find a working donkey. Who got time 'to explore their sexuality' when your primary goal is 'your social status'!?!

I bet you either have no man next to you...or the one you got is either too aggressive or too quiet.


Be careful now, you have insulted the the resident feminazi of the forum simply by disagreeing. If you are not careful, she might smite you with her broomstick.

Edited by Anonymouse, 13 August 2007 - 12:00 AM.


#46 nairi

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 03:06 AM

QUOTE(Aratta-Kingdom @ Aug 13 2007, 01:56 AM)
"As to the rest: you are not taking into consideration that women have not had the right to explore their sexuality in patriarchal societies."
This is one of the biggest lie I have ever heard. Women in harem know more about sex than most women from the socalled open societies. Even in the armenian reality the role of women is different from what they try to present to the outside world.


What is the Armenian reality? Virgin till marriage and a red apple to prove it?

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'Best out of the bunch"? What if you stop the ''arevtur' and start to look for someone who can bring 'berkranq' u 'nerdashankutyun' to your life?


It's an instinct. This is where bio plays a role. Women only have that many eggs to share. They're not going to share it with the first loser they meet.

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If needed to claim credit, most women say 'if it wasn't for women, men would still live in the cave'...when it comes to relationships, the 'primary goal' for the kind of women you have mentioned, has become to find a working donkey. Who got time 'to explore their sexuality' when your primary goal is 'your social status'!?!


Why do you focus solely on "social status"? It's a combination of factors, and social status is one of them. The reason: because a man with a higher income will be able to take care of the family financially. It can't get any simpler than that.

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I bet you either have no man next to you...or the one you got is either too aggressive or too quiet.


I don't have a man indeed. And that is my personal choice.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:15 PM

[quote name='nairi' date='Aug 13 2007, 02:06 AM' post='209291']
"What is the Armenian reality? Virgin till marriage and a red apple to prove it? "

What does red apply got to do with the role the 'armenian women' have in the family and the picture they try to present to the outside world? You made a claim that 'women have not had the right to explore their sexuality in patriarchal societies', and I simply told you it's not true.



"It's an instinct. This is where bio plays a role. Women only have that many eggs to share. They're not going to share it with the first loser they meet."


Not according to the statement you made earlier. This is what you said "it doesn't take away the fact that what she is primarily looking for is the best out of the bunch, in order to start a family'. You made it sound as if you were in an 'arevtur' for a husband. 'Primarliy looking for the best' and 'instinct' are not the same thing. Again, your 'primary goal' in this case is to 'look for the best out of the bunch' who got money, social status, looks, ect.






"Why do you focus solely on "social status"? It's a combination of factors, and social status is one of them."

I didn't. I just used your words against you.





The reason: because a man with a higher income will be able to take care of the family financially. It can't get any simpler than that.


Hunting for 'a man with a higher income' and getting attach to one with an 'instinct' got nothing in common.




"I don't have a man indeed. And that is my personal choice."



I rest my case '




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Posted 14 August 2007 - 03:11 AM

QUOTE(Aratta-Kingdom @ Aug 14 2007, 04:15 AM)
What does red apply got to do with the role the 'armenian women' have in the family and the picture they try to present to the outside world? You made a claim that 'women have not had the right to explore their sexuality in patriarchal societies', and I simply told you it's not true.


Are you a woman? Are you Armenian? Are you an Armenian woman in a traditional Armenian family? Does your brother forbid you to date? Does your mother tell you that sex is a chore, just like cleaning the house and cooking, and something you just have to bear while your husband gets his kicks? If not, then you have no idea what you are talking about.

I have also never claimed that only women have been sexually oppressed in patriarchal societies. Ironically, so have men!

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"It's an instinct. This is where bio plays a role. Women only have that many eggs to share. They're not going to share it with the first loser they meet."
Not according to the statement you made earlier. This is what you said "it doesn't take away the fact that what she is primarily looking for is the best out of the bunch, in order to start a family'. You made it sound as if you were in an 'arevtur' for a husband. 'Primarliy looking for the best' and 'instinct' are not the same thing. Again, your 'primary goal' in this case is to 'look for the best out of the bunch' who got money, social status, looks, ect.


It's not my fault you put words into my mouth and completely misinterpret what I write.

I said: many women are incapable of putting words to their instincts. I can, therefore I spell it out.
In other words, a woman will say: "Instinctively, I fell in love with him. I don't know why." When you look at who she fell in love with, you'll see that nine out of ten times, he is the "best out of the bunch," because that is what women are instinctively drawn to.

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"Why do you focus solely on "social status"? It's a combination of factors, and social status is one of them."

I didn't. I just used your words against you.


And in what way are you using them against me?

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The reason: because a man with a higher income will be able to take care of the family financially. It can't get any simpler than that.
Hunting for 'a man with a higher income' and getting attach to one with an 'instinct' got nothing in common.


You have misunderstood what I have said. Go back and reread, think, and only then reply.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 12:23 PM

Nairi, you have taken all this deal of continuing with the main thesis that women were hidding their sexuality.

In an optimum environment male are more sexual than female. That was my whole point.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 12:27 PM

QUOTE(Domino @ Aug 14 2007, 08:23 PM)
In an optimum environment male are more sexual than female. That was my whole point.


And I question that.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Aug 14 2007, 02:27 PM)
And I question that.


That's the point, this is evidence enough for me to not continue any further when you question such an obvious constatation.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE(Domino @ Aug 14 2007, 08:37 PM)
That's the point, this is evidence enough for me to not continue any further when you question such an obvious constatation.


As you wish.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE(Domino @ Aug 14 2007, 01:37 PM)
That's the point, this is evidence enough for me to not continue any further when you question such an obvious constatation.


Ask the millions of men who want to get laid with their significant others and their women are either always "too tired", or "not in the mood" or whatever.

And the rare few chicks that do have the sex drive of a man are either in porn or prostitutes, in which case, they should be avoided anyway.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 02:51 AM

QUOTE(Anonymouse @ Aug 15 2007, 02:39 AM)
Ask the millions of men who want to get laid with their significant others and their women are either always "too tired", or "not in the mood" or whatever.


Perhaps it's because the man is not making much of an effort to please the woman. Why would a woman want to sleep with a man who is crap in bed? She'd rather spend her time masturbating; at least that way she knows someone is doing it right!

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And the rare few chicks that do have the sex drive of a man are either in porn or prostitutes, in which case, they should be avoided anyway.


Another myth. The average man needs sex no more than twice a week. The same goes for the average woman. Which is why "successful" couples, in the long run, have sex more or less twice a week on average.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 03:08 AM

At least twice a week and often times successful couples have sex 3 to 4 times a week.

I agree with the fact that the average healthy woman have as much sex drive as any healthy normal man. Women like men have the same animal makeup and instincts. In reality as far as sex is concerned, their drive and their wanting are identical.



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Posted 15 August 2007 - 10:55 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Aug 15 2007, 03:51 AM)
Perhaps it's because the man is not making much of an effort to please the woman. Why would a woman want to sleep with a man who is crap in bed? She'd rather spend her time masturbating; at least that way she knows someone is doing it right!


Oh please, this is the silliest excuse of not pleasing your supposed partner. And when they wander off and cheat the women shriek and go, "Oh noes! ohmy.gif ! How could he have done such a thing?!"

QUOTE(nairi @ Aug 15 2007, 03:51 AM)
Another myth. The average man needs sex no more than twice a week. The same goes for the average woman. Which is why "successful" couples, in the long run, have sex more or less twice a week on average.


And you would know because you're a man! Right? And you are making a generalization because you do not believe in making generalizations! Right?

Trust me, toots, I don't know what men you have been hanging around with, but twice a week is an understatement of immense proportions.

Edited by Anonymouse, 15 August 2007 - 10:56 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2007 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE(Anonymouse @ Aug 16 2007, 06:55 AM)
And you would know because you're a man! Right? And you are making a generalization because you do not believe in making generalizations! Right?


Unlike you, I have been in two serious long-term relationships. I should have an idea. You have probably never had sex with anyone. No wonder you feel like you need it every day, five times a day. Needs change when you can have it whenever you want.

Besides, I said "on average." Not "most men," or worse, "all men." There are sex-addicts among women as well.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 11:23 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Aug 16 2007, 12:12 AM)
Unlike you, I have been in two serious long-term relationships. I should have an idea. You have probably never had sex with anyone. No wonder you feel like you need it every day, five times a day. Needs change when you can have it whenever you want.

Besides, I said "on average." Not "most men," or worse, "all men." There are sex-addicts among women as well.


Haha, this post made me chuckle. Nairi is obviously trying to get really personal now that I exposed her hypocrisy. smile.gif

Without knowing anything she assumes I have never had sex, and that I have not been in a long-term relationship. Very well for the Dutchess from Holland. Like I said, good to know you aren't giving any men hell and you're choosing a life of solitude.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 11:28 PM

I have every reason to believe that you are a virgin. You certainly talk and behave like one. And no, I don't consider losing your virginity to a prostitute to be valid. Neither do I consider regular trips to the prostitutes to be a long-term relationship.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 11:34 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Aug 16 2007, 12:28 AM)
I have every reason to believe that you are a virgin. You certainly talk and behave like one. And no, I don't consider losing your virginity to a prostitute to be valid. Neither do I consider regular trips to the prostitutes to be a long-term relationship.

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