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Posted 26 July 2014 - 10:47 AM

These are not humans, animals not even single living cells! 

In Mosul Islamists downed Armenian church's cross and turned it into

preaching center

13:56, 25 July, 2014

YEREVAN, JULY 25, ARMENPRESS. In the northern regions of Iraq the Sunni
jihadist group that had proclaimed the so-called Islamic State of Iraq and
the Levant (ISIL), downed the Armenian church's cross and turned it into a
preaching center. As reports "Armenpress" the Turkish Media365 news site
informs about this.

It is noted that in the place of the cross the militants of the ISIL have
fixed the flag of their organization.

The site reports also that the ISIL militants issued a fatwa (religious
edict) under which about 4 million girls and women, aged 11 - 46, under
their control must be subjected to forced female circumcision. In the
cities of the "Islamic state" tobacco and hookah smoking is prohibited, all
the restaurants are closed, women are obliged to wear a headscarf.





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Posted 27 July 2014 - 05:14 AM

Remember, dear Yervan, we discussed in person the idea that Christians would disappear from the Middle East? It's happening every day in almost every single country. I dare say that one day we'll have only Armenians in Kuwait and the UAE..

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:25 AM

Hi Boghos, good to hear from you! In time even those two countries will lose their Armenian (Christian) subjects. All it takes a small rebel group and a hidden agenda support, a recipe for Christian devouring. It's sad to see that the heartland of Christianity will be without Christians. :(

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:54 AM

Turkish Daily Discloses Secret Meeting among Turkey, S. Arabia, Jordan
before ISIL Attack on Iraq

Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:50

TEHRAN (FNA)- Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia had been informed of the
imminent attack of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) on
Iraq during a series of trilateral secret meetings, Turkish media

The leaked information shows that before the ISIL attack on Iraq, the
officials of Turkey's Justice and Development Party were fully
informed of the ISIL's imminent attack onneighboring Iraq, the
Turkish-language Aidinlik newspaper reported.

The report said there have been a series of sessions for planning the
attack, the first one of which had been held in Gönen Hotel, Istanbul,
from February 28.

The meetings were held at the initiative of Turkey's Justice and
Development Party and representatives of Saudi Arabia and Jordan also
attended the sessions.

The second meeting was held in Amman, Jordan, where differences arose
between the ISIL and political leaders attending the meetings.

Turkey has been pursuing the US and Israeli policies in the region,
and it has been frequently rapped for its warmongering policies
towards the region, including cross-border arms smuggling and sneaking
terrorists into Syria.

Several countries including Iraq, Syria and Iran have lashed out at
Ankara for backing armed rebels and terrorist groups and fueling
tensions in Syria.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 03:17 PM

Good to see you Boghos. Long time no see. How are things in Sanballo/Sourb Boghos?

. the idea that Christians would disappear from the Middle East? It's happening every day in almost every single country. I dare say that one day we'll have only Armenians in Kuwait and the UAE..

As to Kuwait and UAE, I am not so sure. How long before they are exterminated? The renewed islamization tsunami is only in its re-naissance Crusade in reverse? The cancer has re- erupted with its tetalcles all the way from Alaska to Australia. Where are our idiotic trusty friends, the Crusaders, the poop? :oops: the ayatollah of Christianity and his Swiss Guards Swiss Fart? ** Where are the Christians Soldiers?***** We will nor talk abour the Armenian ayatollas, aka Catholicoses. Once they are done with Syria, Iraq, furkey, those clowns in Iran, asszerbokhjan and beyond they will move southward.
The de-Christianization is by not only default (higher rate of reproduction). but by design (cleanisng). Let us look at Syria and Lebanon. In 1960 the population of Syria was about 4 million, with ½ a million in Aleppo. At that time there were an estimated 100,000 Armenians (plus other Christians), At the present, according to some unreliable estimates there are about 40,000 ??? Armenians???
The picture in Lebanon is even more graphic. When in those days the majority were Christians, hence the constitutional mandate was that the president has to be a Christian Maronite.
** http://en.wikipedia....iki/Swiss_Guard
Saudi flag. Obsrve the SWORD.. It not a PEN***
And the flag of the papacy

*** It is mot the fabled Armenian weapon.
Hi Sevak Sword v Pen. Թրի Դէմ Գրիչ: ****Our pen is fast running out of ink with blood flowin g freely. Dear Saint Sevak. Did you find that PEN in Heaven?
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:21 AM

The Daily Star, Lebanon
July 28 2014

Iraqi Christians find little help

by Rayane Abou Jaoude & Venetia Rainey| The Daily Star

BAABDA, Lebanon: Joseph Toman leaned on the heavy wooden door of St.
Raphael Chaldean Cathedral and sighed in exasperation.

He wore a dirty shirt and his weathered feet peered out of a pair of
tattered sandals, a far cry from the rest of the well-dressed Lebanese
church attendees that milled around to discuss the morning's Mass.

"I am going to starve to death," he said, half to himself, as his eyes
pricked with tears.

The 80-year-old Christian, who grew up in Mosul, left his home in
Baghdad just 15 days ago. He heard about the advancing forces led by
Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) - a religiously
intolerant and violent extremist group that recently took over huge
swaths of northern Iraq - and decided to use all of his savings to
flee to Lebanon.

He is now renting a small apartment in Dikwaneh north of Beirut, but
with no work and no family to help him, he is quickly running out of
money. "We need help, we can't pay rent," Toman said, referring to
other Iraqi Christians who have made the same journey as him out of
fear for their lives.

Although he was barely able to afford the taxi ride from his home to
the cathedral in Baabda - the Lebanese headquarters of the Chaldean
sect that many Iraqi Christians are part of - he felt it was important
that he attend Sunday's Mass anyway, especially as it was held to show
solidarity with people exactly like him.

"I only have God and the church," he added.

ISIS, which recently changed its name to Islamic State, gave
Christians in Iraq's northern city an ultimatum last week to convert
to Islam, pay a religious tax or be killed, forcing hundreds of
families to flee and tearing apart a community that has existed since
the earliest days of Christianity.

The militants spray-painted Christian houses with the Arabic letter
"N" for "Nasrani," or "Christian," to identify them.

To symbolically counteract this surge in religious intolerance,
children at the cathedral Sunday held up signs of words beginning with
"N" that represent Christian values: "narham," we are merciful;
"nashkor," we are thankful; "nousalli," we pray; and "naghfor," we
forgive, among others.

Many also carried Vatican flags in an appeal to the highest church
authority to provide support.

Estimates for how many Iraqi Christians have fled to Lebanon in the
last few months are hard to come by and likely to be an underestimate.
UNHCR said it had not registered any, while Caritas Lebanon Migrant
Center, part of the international Catholic relief agency, said it had
been approached by two families from Mosul, one in Sin al-Fil and one
in Sidon.

Father Youssef Denha, an Iraqi Chaldean priest at the Mass Sunday,
said he only knew of one such family from his sect, but was not sure
about those from the other churches of Christianity present in Iraq,
such as Assyrians, Syriacs and Armenians, to name a few.

"Between 2013 and 2014 around 500 Iraqi families have come to
Lebanon," he said, referring to those who have fled the country to
escape a growing level of violence, extremism and religious
intolerance. "But our concentration now is on the families that were
forced to leave Mosul.

"And we are expecting their number to increase."

Part of the problem is that, like Toman, many Iraqi Christians used
what little they had to escape the brutal grip of ISIS and the
prospect of living life either as a second-class citizen or being

Sabri Risheresh and his wife managed to grab their passports before
leaving their home in Mosul two months ago, but their son and his
family were not as lucky, and now find themselves trapped in northern
Iraq, unable to leave the country.

"They threatened to kill us, so we had to leave," Risheresh says as
his wife weeps silently beside him. "We left with only our clothes on
our backs - we were lucky we got our passports."

Many of the families The Daily Star spoke to said they had little hope
that they would be able to return to their homes any time soon. There
have been a number of reports of ISIS rehousing displaced Muslims in
local buildings owned by Christians who have fled.

None of those interviewed said they had been able to find work in
Lebanon, despite many having college degrees. They bemoaned that they
had received little to no help from non-governmental organizations,
the United Nations, or the church.

Zina, a 24-year-old engineer from Baghdad, and her sister, a qualified
dentist, have found no work in the eight months they've been in

"We left [Iraq] because the situation is bad," she explained with a
rueful smile. "Christians are suffering so much, their livelihoods are
at stake. Life is very difficult for them."

The most important thing their community needed at the moment was aid,
she said, whether monetary or in-kind. As she spoke, other Iraqis
approached to echo the plea, their expressions anxious and weary.

"What we have is very little," said one woman on the verge of tears.
"There is no work for us here," added another. "Please, we need help,"
pleaded a third.

But although their calls for official assistance are likely to fall
largely on deaf ears in a country that is already hosting well over a
million Syrian refugees, help in one form or another is exactly what
those gathered Sunday in Baabda had in mind.

While some of the worshippers at St. Raphael Cathedral were Iraqi,
most appeared to be Lebanese who had turned up to demonstrate their
support for their co-religionists.

Jacqueline Sarrouh had come from the nearby town of Hazmieh with her
young son to pray for - and with - Iraqi Christians.

"We are here to participate in prayer with our Christian brothers,"
Sarrouh said. "We already have friends here that we got to know."

The Mass was led by Chaldean Bishop Michel Kassarji.

"Our struggle today is with futile, deviated ideologies that do not
know the meaning of human pride nor freedom of belief nor difference
of opinion," he told a packed church. "History will record that
Christians were forced out of their lands just because they were

Rodrigue Khoury, leader of the Levant Party, who helped organize the
event, said Christians in the Middle East "would never bow" and "would
never forsake their faith."

"We are not Lebanese expressing solidarity with Iraqis, we are one
body shouting out," he said.

Khoury's speech was met with general enthusiasm, and was interrupted
by an Iraqi Christian who stood up and exclaimed, "Long live Iraq!" to
widespread applause.

But Father Denha said what was most needed was material support.

"We have helped them by welcoming them in the archbishopric and Michel
[Kassarji] is trying to raise funds," he said. "Some people have been
donating clothes, but we would prefer if they could help financially
by paying for rent or health care."


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:41 AM

One of the oldest Christian communities in the lands of Christ has
been destroyed as the Sunni Caliphate spreads

Robert Fisk

Sunday 27 July 2014

It's not difficult to see where the Christians have made political
mistakes in the Middle East

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Displaced Christians who fled the violence and threats by Isis in
Mosul, northern Iraq, pray at Mar Aframa church in the town of

For three years, the Arab revolutions cast "Palestine" and
Palestinians to the fringe of memory in the Middle East. And now the
new bloodbath in Gaza has pushed to the corner of our consciousness
the continuing tragedy of the Christian exodus.

As the Christians of Mosul fled their cruel, new "Sunni Caliphate",
photographs of the city's Syriac-Catholic church, fire blazing from
its windows, only made inside pages in the Middle East press.

That two of the world's most-hated, born-again Christians - George W
Bush is one and the other, a British citizen, is unmentionable -
should have destroyed one of the oldest Christian communities in the
lands of Christ, remains a most brutally ironic testament to their

Both, of course, would no more acknowledge this today than the
Christians of the Middle East can ignore it.

And inevitably, the Christians in the great cities lying between the
Tigris and the Mediterranean are asking why no Muslims are condemning
their tragedy.

Isis controls Syrian Aid
A man collecting aid administered by Isis in Syria

"What are the moderate Muslims saying?" the Lebanese Catholic Maronite
Patriarch, Bechara Rai, asked acidly last week. "We do not hear the
voices of those who denounce this."

Indeed not. The Caliphate's threat to the Christians - convert, be
taxed or die - contradict, in the words of the Chaldean Patriarch,
Archbishop Louis Sako, "1,400 years of history and of the life of the
Muslim world and of coexistence between different religions and
different peoples". Archbishop Sako spoke, too, this week of how Iraq
itself had become a "humanitarian, cultural and historical
catastrophe". But he added that Christians in the region must remember
that the Koran demands respect for minorities and that the Christian
people must also remain respectful to Muslims and show "patience and
endurance". Which, I would have thought, might be turning the other
saintly cheek a bit too far.

READ MORE: End 'very near' for Christianity in Iraq, says Bishop
Isis orders Mosul shop keepers to cover mannequins
Editorial: Genocidal intentions of Isis take on horrible clarity

But of course, the new Caliph of Mosul has applied restrictions to all
Shia Muslims as well as the Yezidis, the Sabeans and the Turkomens.
And there have been street demonstrations in Beirut just last week -
jointly, by Muslims and Christians - to both condemn the treatment of
the Christians of Mosul and the Palestinians of Gaza.

Religions may be different, was the message, but both the Christians
and Muslims of the Middle East are Arabs.

Now of course, it's not difficult to see where the Christians have
made political mistakes in the Middle East. Many Copts in Egypt
supported the regime of President Hosni Mubarak when it was clear that
the revolution would overwhelm him. And the Copts were also rather too
quick to line up alongside Abdel Fattah al-Sisi when Egypt's Field
Marshal/President decided to destroy the Muslim Brotherhood.

Far too many of Lebanon's Christian families aligned themselves with
the Crusaders in the 11th century and far too many Christians fought
each other as well as their Muslim, Druze and Palestinian brothers in
the 1975-90 Lebanese civil war. In Syria today, the Christians accept
the Assad regime - as surely they must when they can see the Caliphate
spreading its laws through the Syrian city of Raqaa. Even the dead of
the 1915 Armenian genocide (Christians too, remember) have not been
spared; the church housing their bones in Deir el-Zour has been
damaged. And I recall seeing with my own eyes the burned bibles and
knife-ripped paintings in the church at Yabroud, just north of
Damascus. I took some samples and showed them to lecture audiences in
America and Europe - and in the Arab Gulf. I did not do so to suggest
that Bashar al-Assad was a highly-enlightened man - but to show them
what America's great ally, Saudi Arabia, is doing.

For the Saudis lie behind this vast new force of the Caliphate, whose
Islamist rulers have brought some of their Iraqi military assets -
courtesy of George W again - to Syria and are now giving the Syrian
army a tougher fight. Before the Caliphate spread to Mosul, the Syrian
army was winning, or at least not losing. Now their soldiers are being
executed, just like the Iraqi Shia army units captured near Mosul.
And, of course, we continue to buttress this savagery in Syria while
we loudly condemn the very same groups which are now ruling Mosul and
threatening "democratic" Iraq. Saudi Arabia continues to fund the
Wahabis among the Sunni forces while we continue to protect the
Saudis, to shield them from all criticism, just as we did when 15 of
the 9/11 hijackers turned out to be Saudis, just as we did when they
funded the Taliban.

Even in north-eastern Lebanon now, there are hidden Isis dangers. The
Lebanese army, the only institution in the state which really works,
has stationed men and equipment around the town of Ersal where many of
the rebels against Assad have taken shelter. The Syrian army, when it
stormed into Yabroud this year, effectively cut them off from Syrian
territory. But if the Syrian military lose ground in the mountains
south of Homs, then Isis forces might try to link up with Ersal and
Isis would then be able to boast that its early title - The Islamist
Army of Iraq and the Levant - had come true.

Of course, we can comfort ourselves that the new Caliphate-regime is
too crackpot to survive. Probably. But didn't some people say exactly
that when Ayatollah Khomeini flew back to Tehran, and when our
favourite dictators took over the Middle East? Didn't we used to call
Gaddafi a crackpot? And didn't he rule for quite a long time? The
Christians of the Middle East don't, therefore, take much comfort in
this sort of jolly assumption. For if Isis has its rump north of
Baghdad and its body across Syria, what happens when, even from the
Lebanese border, its teeth can be heard snapping just a few miles from
the Mediterranean?

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 10:50 AM

Yervant, You find and post so many things. It is good to see them, although some are painful to read. Thankyou brother, for taking the time. 

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 11:00 AM

Hundreds of visitors come to Hyeforum daily, we need to spread the news and show the readers. This is the least I can do, before we had so many discussions about every thread but unfortunately nowadays  members are more interested with gossip and let's see what the other is doing on Facebook and Instagrams.

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