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Posted 27 June 2000 - 02:39 PM

Neroghouyoun payts shat tcheghaynatsadz em!
I heatd recently that more and more Armenian women are in the streets of Yerevan prostituting and Strip Clubs are quite a common thing in Armenia, it's like someone stabed me in the heart!
People! Let's think of this for a moment! Isn't there a way to stop this? And please! Don't tell me it's a natural evolution because America also has prostitutes and strip clubs!!

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Posted 27 June 2000 - 04:05 PM

I think it is really sad and disgusting! Armenia should be heading toward becoming another Singapore, a center of high tech industries instead of selling flesh! There is so much education and talent, why has it come to this? I think only a revival of Christian spirituality, and I don't mean just lighting a candle, but real biblical spirituality is Armenia's only hope.

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Posted 27 June 2000 - 09:43 PM

AHAAAAA!!!
Steve lav essir akhper jan!!
"revivial of Christian spirituality" !!!
You are absolutely right! Because of Soviet rule (I think) the Armenian Church lost it's influence on the population. Am I right?

Shat shat harkankov!!

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Posted 28 June 2000 - 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Raffi Y:
People! Let's think of this for a moment! Isn't there a way to stop this? And please! Don't tell me it's a natural evolution because America also has prostitutes and strip clubs!!

Raffi,

It surprises me that you just found out about this. I have referred to this reality in other posts, but anyway. There is no way of stopping prostitution. It is one of the oldest "professions" in the world and it is everywhere. There are ways of controlling it (example California Laws). But the Armenian government does not do ANYTHING. The way I see it, they could care less if the whole country was living off of that.

I know you don't wanna hear this but socio-economic hardships increase prostitution (and all other immoral activities) in any country. And yes, USA and other developed countries have prostitution and strip clubs also. Which tells you that its something you can't fight. It's there, it has always been there and it will be there for centuries to come

It's very hard to accept the reality that these immoral activities have found their way into our country - Armenia. Armenians and Armenian women especially have always been viewed as pure and moral. This image is now deteriorating. And it pains me as much (if not more) as it pains you. I just pray to God this is only a transitional phase in our history.

Sulamita

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Posted 28 June 2000 - 09:55 AM

I personally have hope that this will stop. Armenia has never known prostitution before. And you know what hurts me most? It's that Armenian men are actually using these women! We have to act early! We're still developping, it's not too late.

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Posted 28 June 2000 - 12:09 PM

A conversation with Seta Melkonian
Text and Photo by Onnik Krikorian
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OK: This is another paradox. How do you identify the areas to work in? It is also very difficult to understand that people are living in very bad conditions when you see the number of Mercedes on the roads, the number of casinos and the amount of strip bars

Prostitution is the same. No one is facing the fact that these are 16-year-old girls, and that Baghramian (Street) is full of prostitutes. Before we would recognize them - with bleached hair and lots of makeup, but now they are normal girls. When you ask them why, they say "You know what, I see girls in the movies wear nice clothes, my neighbors wear nice clothes, and we want to wear nice clothes too. We do not mind going with guys so that we can buy jewelry, clothing and all kinds of nice stuff. We do not mind." Again, the sad part is that the parents know. There is no way they do not know. You cannot hide certain things but they just put their heads in the sand and pretend not to see the problem. There will never be solutions until you face those problems.


OK: There are some girls who are doing very well. They have mobile phones, and they are having a great time. However, there are others whose husbands have gone to other soviet republics to work, and they have to look after their children somehow, and are selling themselves for 1000 dram (about $2). The situation is hard, society is changing, and this may sound like a naive question, but what can be done? What can the Diaspora do?

SM: The only solution that I can see is to create jobs. I can open a store full of handmade artifacts for any Armenian from the Diaspora. I can fill it with Armenian paintings, ceramics, and jewelry, and I can sell it. I can gather artists that will be so happy to do something and receive a salary. That is the only way the Diaspora or anybody else can help this country. Many people are willing to work, and there are artists and singers who tell me that they are even willing to sweep the floor.

I know one eighty-year-old woman who cannot survive on her pension, but do you know what she is doing? She is painting pictures of churches and sceneries because she wants to make money with her own work. She is not selling it for a hundred; she is selling it for one dollar. Every time I need to buy a present or card, I buy it from her and at least I know she will have some income. I do not buy the cards with "Happy Birthday" written in English that everyone else is buying. Even if there is a souvenir store in Armenia, it is still very expensive.

OK: The one on Abovian?

SM: Yes, but the problem is that a few people have the means to open a store, and put the prices up for all the foreigners and the tourists. If people like you, my friends or myself - the middle classes, for example - can't afford to buy $50 presents for everybody, there is no place to buy anything else that is decent.


OK: It is the same throughout Armenia. Rich or poor, but no in-between. You mention self-sustainable jobs, but presumably, self-sustainable tourism could be part of this too. There are no options however. Although I would advise everyone to travel to the regions of Armenia, when tourists come to Yerevan what options do they have? Hotel Armenia, Hotel Ani, or Hotel Dvin, but if you travel to Turkey or Greece you have a variety of choices. People need to produce something that can cater for a sustainable market. I do not understand the mentality..

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 10:21 PM

hello
i think your wrong armenia has had hookers for a long time.(you know 3 masi luco and malatzayi vartuhin)LOL.
Anyway its been there but not like it has been growing now.

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by Qtromeo:
hello
i think your wrong armenia has had hookers for a long time. Anyway its been there but not like it has been growing now.


Qtromeo, you are not right. We had it before all countries had it. But there were few, count using fingures, most from Russia and russian girls. Now, my heart is aking when i think about it. There should be very tough law on that, with direct execution of these pimps, prostitutes and everyone connected to it. Biggest shame on parents of these girls, not on the girls.
Myabe it will sound very some kind of crazy, and fanatic, but that would be good sollution, with very strict, holy laws. For these times as the idea of freedom start to grow in Armenia, there should be tagh laws.

If there will be secret organisation, even though it sounds crazy, fighting with prostitution etc. "directly", i will the first who will support and sposnor them. )
If i'd be president (he he), i would make a law, strict law, about prostitution, strip clubs, sexual minorities. Minimum panishment for gays - sentence for life, maximum-death penalty. But at the present moment Laws are not bad about them though.

Creating jobs wouldn't solve that problem, because it doesn't in the US.

Artur

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 11:37 PM

Punish the pimps and the "johns" (the men who go to the prostitutes). Give the girls counseling and jobs to set them on the right path.

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Creating jobs wouldn't solve that problem, because it doesn't in the US.


Drugs create prostitutes in the US. It does not sound like that is the issue for Armenia. Jobs could fix the problem.

You're right, where are the parents??? The father should be out there beating the hell out of anyone that touches his 16 year old daughter. Throw the parents into hard labor and then some counseling. Calling Gayane....you're needed over there.

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If i'd be president (he he)....Minimum panishment for gays - sentence for life, maximum-death penalty.


Come on, what do gays have to do with prostitution and sex crimes??? Hetch. Leave the bdughner out of this. You just lost my vote for president.

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 11:46 PM

I agree that the main reason for these kind of “old” new activities are social hardships, but not only that. We tend to forget that we live in a much more dynamic world and that Armenia is no longer an isolated piece of land. Whenever major political and economical transformations take place inevitably they are interrelated with certain changes in the morals and mentality of the people. I’m far from blaming “Westarnization” of the country for these misfortunate occurrences. I only hope that people in Armenia are mature enough to face the challenges of the New World. What bothers me most is not the fact that we have prostitution in Armenia, but the lack of public awareness. Today we have armenian homosexuals, armenian skinheads, armenian prostitutes, armenian monarchist, armenian Mafia (I should have start with that), armenian Yehova witnesses, Mormons, Pentecostals, bahajians and God knows what else. I only wonder what we will have tomorrow … armenian marsians maybe.

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Posted 09 November 2000 - 08:07 AM

It’s matter of supply and demand. Since there is a demand for sex there will always be a supply of prostitutes. This is not new to Armenia, nor to any other country. It’s just in Soviet Armenia everything was closed, behind the veils, and now it’s open. With democracy there is some kind of openness in society, which brings out the true face of society. All of you who lived in Yerevan, or have been in there in the last 10 years, you must have seen the girls on Baghramyan. It’s a new thing to see all that openly, but I think as times change people will get used to all that. We, Armenians, are not saints, as we pretend to be, and just like any other country we have prostitution too. I think the best way to approach this issue, is legalizing prostitution. It will bring much needed revenues to the state budget, will control the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, and will be under control. Again this is not a moral issue: it’s just simple economics “Supply and demand”.

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Posted 09 November 2000 - 08:54 AM

Alpha, correct. Only we have to guarantee 8 hour working day for the prostitutes, and have to help them to unionize to defend their rights from those who push them to hard. Just kidding, of coarse.

But, people, let it go. It is not even something to be discussed. What does one do with his/her body is nobody's business.

I tend to think that we are a normal nation, and we'll have anything which is characteristic to normal nations. I would be more concerned if there was no prostitution in Armenia. Then I would've though there is something darn wrong with this nation, especially under these conditions.


Prostitution, in my view, is one of the most difficult professions, and clearly the oldest profession on the earth.

The scale of the prostitution in Armenian is not something to be considered a social phenomenon. Yes, a small portion of prostitutes is in existence in Armenia, and in Diaspora. So what?

I think the negative feelings on prostitution, if they exist, are resulted from the weakness of that nation. They demonstrate lack of national self-confidence.

Al this doesn't mean that we should encourage prostitution. When and where possible, it has to be discouraged, but its existence should not cause development of another expression of an Armenian psychological inferiority complex.

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Posted 09 November 2000 - 09:47 AM

Click. Click. Click.
You walk the dark streets of a heartless city
Day after day, year after year.
Your bold eyelids a piercing silver
Your tired lips a jarring red
Your catlike eyes mired with black paint.
Your breasts are bare.
Your hair bleach blonde.
Your voluptuous hips tightly packed into a sheer skirt.
It has no lining.

Click. Click. Click.
Your corner.
A convenience store.
The merchant eyes your body, licks his lips.
He looks like...like...him!!

Click. Click. Click. Click. Click. Click.
The fury of your steps is hearbreaking.
You now run the dark streets of a heartless city.
Your fishnet stockings a blurry maze of black and flesh.

Click. Click. Click. Click. Click.
Click. Click. Click. Click. Click..
Stop.
A group of dark men in front of a convenience store; they speak your language.
They turn to you.
You lower your eyes.
A rich ripe tear stains your cheek.
You feel naked.

"I'm looking for my father," you whisper.
You're Armenian.
You're Armenian.

g.s.
11/7/00

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Posted 09 November 2000 - 02:37 PM

Mike!!!! I was making a point, and you completely undermined it with the focus on those few lines!!!!



[This message has been edited by Garo (edited November 09, 2000).]

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Posted 09 November 2000 - 02:43 PM

Gayane,

Sorry, sorry, sorry! Sorry if my smart-assed reply took away from it. Did you write it? If so, I feel worse

I thought the poem was good. And I'm not a poetry fan.


P.S. I've now deleted my comment.




[This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited November 09, 2000).]

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Posted 09 November 2000 - 03:55 PM

Lol, Mike, no need to feel bad...the point wasn't about the poem, it was about not trivializing the complexity of the issue..

anyway, don't feel bad

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Posted 09 November 2000 - 09:33 PM

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Posted 09 November 2000 - 09:39 PM

Wow, admins work fast.

MJ, this is peaceful as possible. Give me you e-mail, and we will solve the problem, hopefully in peaceful way.

My ICQ number: 53322772
e-mail: artur_arm@hotmail.com

Take it easy, bro.

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Posted 14 November 2000 - 09:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Artur:
There should be very tough law on that, with direct execution of these pimps, prostitutes and everyone connected to it.

Artur

turger@ bar unen vor meng hayers
chuneng - "oghrash".....
hers indz batsatrets ed bari imast@ vor pstik ei ....
****ikits verana


... ed poghotsner@ tarber taghayin vostikanner unen ev
tarber "****ikayin" u "haka****ikayin" bazhinner ....
u ed ameg@ yerevi ira "nalogna" havagum,
ed "haram" pogherits el irents ereghegin
nverner arnum,hayeri kenats@ ghmum kam el
irents "zulal-magur" aghjiknerin mardu talis...
...isk parskastani turger@ irents kayfernen anum u mer aryun@ "tarmatsnum".....
vor Hayastanum hin (adat) kam nor oreng ashghater....tzoveri orengner el kunenaing...

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 04:35 AM

Very good article about prostitution in Armenia

 

Prostitution and sex tourism are legal, but operating a brothel is prohibited and engaging in other forms of pimping are punishable by one to 10 years’ imprisonment. According to media reports, there were fewer than 5,000 women involved in prostitution in the country, approximately 1,500 of whom were in Yerevan. Police and other security forces reportedly tolerated prostitution.

 

In 2012 there was 240 officially registered prostitutes in Armenia, but according to media reports, there were fewer than 5,000 women involved in prostitution in the country, approximately 1,500 of whom were in Yerevan. Police and other security forces reportedly tolerated prostitution.

 

Read more  http://www.wikisexgu...om/wiki/Armenia






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