ok, first and foremost, please get the idea of turkey willingly handing back western armenia out of your head. this will never happen. the sooner armenians understand that, the faster we will make more tangible steps. but turkey handing over 1/4 of its landmass to armenia will not be happening in the near future, no matter what legal action, or mutual blockade we can do. the only way i ever see the entirety of western armenia rejoining the RA (hopefully by that time, it will be the KA, kingdom of armenia
) is if somehow World War 3 breaks out and armenia manages to defeat one of the regions most powerful armies..or if the kurds and turks mutually nuke eachother..or what ever..
another myth that must be broken land appropriation =/= genocide recognition. the territory of wilsonian armenia was created AFTER the genocide, and does not go hand in hand with it. (this is something the turks also don't seem to understand)..recognising the genocide does not have anything to do with land reparations. wilsonian armenia is discussed in the sevres and lausanne treaties and does not relate in any way to the previous genocide of the armenians.
however, here is a more tangible solution, legal action against turkey which, in turn may result in the turks giving us a channel to the black sea. OR at least, the territory ceded by the USSR of the original armenian SSR to turkey in 1923 (a treaty which armenia didn't sign, and at the time, was not part of the USSR, thus one may argue that this is potentially illegal)..so as far as legal or military alternatives to regaining w. armenia go, this is about it.
now on to more serious stuff..
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ow do you recognize the genocide properly under reconcilliation? Genocide is a very serious crime, like I said before, it carries heavy compensation with it.
ok, let me explain it in the simplest way possible:
alternative 1-
f*ck you turkey, you commited genocide, i'm never talking to you again, give me back half of anatolia, recognise your crime
or
alternative 2-
turkey, we are neighbours due to historical irony, this is a fact we must accept, in order to progress in the future, we must cooperate, and to build a strong base for cooperation, we must accept the past.
so which one seems like the better choice.
here is what i think
we have been trying option 1 for the last...95 years...and so far..we havn't recieved an inch of land from them. infact, all we got were more pogroms in istambul in the 50s, and we got hrant dink killed.
option 2 works by appealing to turkey's extremely large ego, turkey the wise, turkey the moral..the turks are trying to place that image in the eyes of the civilised world. yet, how can they portray this, when trying to be included as mediators in the georgian and artsax conflicts, when they have so many skeletons in the closet? turkey is a very fragmented society held together through fear, and a false understanding of a national myth created by the blond blue eyed father of the turkish nation, mustafa. ..in other words, its built on a house of cards.
turkey is extremely divided between kemalists, the military, socialists, pro-europeans, eurosceptics, liberals, islamic radicals, kurds etc. as you know there is an intellectual society within turkey who is prepared to accept the genocide as fact. this in turn enraged the grey wolfs, and as a result creates controversy, getting scores of younger generations of turks to read about their history and the armenians (a taboo subject till now). -(and i must add, 15 year old armenians from burj hamood or glendale spending their days surfing turkish youtube videos or forums writing 'fuk you' is not helping)
people within turkey have been taking these steps, in including genocide rhetoric without using it in order to purposely inflame the turks ex: hrant dink, who openly used the word genocide, and yet always spoke of peace and reconciliation between turks and armenians. and he was killed for it. (another ironic fact, he was absolutely vilified by the dashnak party for his less-than-radical stance on turkish-armenian relations...but after he was murdered they were the first to cry out about the murder of a great armenian hero..LOOLL)
but that's the point. hrant dink is a human example of what armenians world wide should be doing: - give the turks a sensible deal. tell them: economics and business should not be mixed with politics. let us cooperate, and in this frame of peaceful diplomacy, we can come to justice for the crimes commited against our people i.e. genocide. (the greeks also have beef with the turks for many reasons, and yet they are trade partners and are both in NATO).
so, if turkey refuses this down-to earth proposal, which 95% of chances dictate that they will...then they will look quite bad, and the armenians will seem like those who are considerate and flexible. this in turn will turn world opinion in favour of the armenians and put more pressure on the turks.
don't be fooled, the conflict may be 90 years old, but this present engagement is dangerously contemporary, time to come up with new tactics boys.
-lastly, a little word on recognition. i agree that turkey should give economic compensation to the RA for the genocide (if short of territorial compensation), like the germans did to israel. realistically, armenia does not have the resources, money or man power to invade and occupy western armenia, and we are still struggling with the small armenia we have left,...so some turkish money would be nice..
