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[elle]

I don't know why my edited version got posted as new.
Admins, would you mind deleting the first post and leaving the second one that's been edited please?


Note: Your first post made invisible as requested. Yervant

Edited by Yervant1, 10 February 2008 - 11:29 AM.

[Ashot]

That's ok Elle jan, it's not that fatal!!!

[Boghos]

Stalin Jewish?That´s a new version of the "everybody else but us" being responsible for our fate.

[Arpa]

Are we talking about Az-islam-bayjan and Pak-Islamistan?
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Issue #6 (278), February 08, 2008
(February 08, 2008)
Friendly Enforcement: Jets for Azerbaijan seen as pattern of “Islamization”
By Aris Ghazinyan
ArmeniaNow reporter
An Armenian military analyst says a report that Azerbaijan plans to purchase fighter jets is consistent with saber rattling coming out of Baku over recent months and a greater strengthening of Pakistan-Azerbaijan ties.
According to Azeri APA news agency, Armenia’s enemy to the east plans to purchase Pakistani-made JF-17 jets which analyst David Harutyunov says is suitable for “small heavily rugged country, which is the zone of the Artsax conflict”.
{ai280801.jpg|left}The fighter planes have a range of about 300 to 600 kilometers, with a combat load of 3.8 tons. Azerbaijan is reported to have ordered between 20-26 of the planes, which cost about $15 million each. The analyst says Pakistan plans to produce several hundred of the planes over the next 20 years for export and for its own military. The JF-17, also know as FC-1 is a replacement for the Chinese model of the Soviet MiG-21.
The deal between Pakistan-Azerbaijan is seen by some as more than just business, but rather a strengthening of Islamic ties in the region.
The following statement of Pakistan’s ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto, who was assassinated late last year, is symptomatic in this regard: “Throughout the space of Islamic countries there are only two obstacles preventing the Islamic world from joining together – Armenia and Georgia. (The statement was made in 1996, when Bhutto was a prime-minister.) Regardless of intra-Pakistani differences and separate intrigues within the Bhutto clan, official Islamabad has always abided by Pan-Islamism and even assumed the mission of “a full and ultimate Islamization” of a huge region from Turkey to China.
It is illustrative that before her return to Pakistan, Bhutto publicly admitted the participation of NATO forces in military operations in the territory of Pakistan. A few months before her homecoming, Bhutto attended the World Conference of Christians, Jews and Moslems in Kiev, Ukraine, during which she supported the “Orange Revolution” together with former U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge. “I have always supported [Victor] Yuschenko and consider that the Orange revolution was a genuine display of democracy, and it was obvious not only in Ukraine, but for the entire world,” Bhutto stated in Kiev.
During the years of Bhutto’s second premiership, Pakistan was for the first time visited by Azerbaijan’s president. During Heydar Aliyev’s visit in 1996, the leadership of Pakistan reaffirmed its “full and unconditional” support for Baku’s position on the Artsax conflict. In Islamabad, Aliyev, for his part, confirmed that Azerbaijan supported Pakistan in its dispute with India over the Kashmir province. At a press conference in Islamabad, Pakistan’s then prime minister Bhutto stated that her country “condemns the aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan and hopes that the consequences of this aggression would be removed soon.” Having said that, the premier expressed a hope for “the liberation of occupied Azeri lands and return of Azeri refugees to their native homes.” Besides, she stated Pakistan’s readiness to render assistance to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in forming international peacekeeping forces in Artsax, in particular, providing its military contingent for that.
“The high level of Pakistani-Azerbaijani ties was also confirmed by the official visit of Pakistani President Parvez Musharraf to Baku in July 2004,” Harutyunov says. “The president of Pakistan then said that both countries shared common culture and religion and that there were all possibilities for a further development of bilateral ties.”
Speaking about political ties, Musharraf said that Baku and Islamabad supported each other in all issues: “This is manifested in Azerbaijan’s supporting us in the Kashmir problem and Pakistan’s supporting Azerbaijan in the Artsax problem. Aggression against Nagorno-Artsax and nearby regions worries every single Pakistani. I promise Pakistan will continue to support Azerbaijan’s rightful position also in the future.”
In the expert’s opinion, regardless of internal differences within Pakistan, official Islamabad has always carried out a policy aimed at rallying radical Islamist structures in fighting “giaours” - perceived as India in the east and Armenia in the west.

Edited by Arpa, 10 February 2008 - 10:33 AM.

[Arpa]

Stalin Jewish?That´s a new version of the "everybody else but us" being responsible for our fate.

Stalin was a hrya? Then, how come he was a student at an Orthodox Christian seminary and not at the nearest synagogue?
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Born in Georgia near the Turkish border, Joseph Stalin (born Iosif Djugashvilli) grew up in a family of former serfs as the son of a cobbler. The only surviving child of four siblings, Stalin suffered a childhood of extreme poverty and violent abuse at the hands of an alcoholic father who died when Stalin was only 11 years old. Stalin?s mother then supported the family by taking in washing until her son left to attend a Christian Orthodox seminary in Tblisi to study for the priesthood. However, in 1899, Stalin was expelled from the seminary for allegedly missing an exam, but it is well believed that he was in fact expelled because of his involvement with Marxism and Marxist groups. After his expulsion from the seminary, Stalin worked several odd jobs while getting himself more and more involved in the activities of radical Marxist groups.
Stalin married his first wife in 1904, who died three years later from tuberculosis. Stalin did remarry in 1919, but in 1932 his..
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And, of course, we know that Lenin was a hrya, his real surname was “levin”. Ivan the Terrible was a hrya with his real name being “youhanna”, Peter the Great was hrya with a name like the Apostle Peter.
Not to forget that Khorenatsi was a hrya;
MOVSES
From Hebrew name Mšeh that changed into Moses due to Greek sound alter. According to Bible it means "taken out of water". It is still in use. The short forms are Moso, Mosi, Musi etc; the corresponding surnames are Movsisyan, Mosoyan, Musoyan.
How can we forget our most revered katholikos St Sahak?
SAHAK
From Hebrew name Isakhaq which means "mock", "laughter". It is in use since I BC till now. We also have the surname Sahakyan.
ՍԱՀԱԿ
եբր. Isakhaq անունն է՝ Ի ձայնավորի կորուստով. նշանակում է “ծաղր”, “խնդություն”: Հայերի մեջ գարծածական է մ.թ.ա. 1-ին դարից. այժմ էլ տարածված անուն է: ՈՒնենք Սահակյան ազգանունը:
Please don’t forget all the Abrahams and Abrahamians.
How come we have surnames like “abrahamian” but no Hayk-ian? Yes, yes we know. We have “haykazian”.
Not to fotget that that our own Lousavorich was Parthian-Greek.
GRIGOR
From Greek name Grigorios (Latin Grigorius), which means "awake", "watcher". This name is used by almost all the Christian nations. In Armenia it is used in the forms: Grigorios, Grigoris, Grigores, Grigor. The latter is the most common from which the surname Grigoryan is formed. The short forms are Gokor, Gikor, Girkor, Giko, Grish etc. There is also the surname Gikoryan.
And now. You're gonna tell us that Abraham Lincoln http://www.civics-on...es/lincoln1.jpg was a hrya;
ABRAHAM
From Hebrew abraham, which means "father of crowd" and also Abram - "High father" (Greek - Abraam, Latin - Abraham). In Armenian dictionaries the names Aprham, Apro, Apram as well as the surname Aproyan can be found. Nowadays the name Abraham , especially the surname Abrahamyan is widely used.

Edited by Arpa, 10 February 2008 - 12:09 PM.

[elle]

Stalin Jewish?That´s a new version of the "everybody else but us" being responsible for our fate.

Are you saying that it's impossible? LOL
If so, why?
The man had 3 Jewish wives (the last one is disputed...either she was the wife or the girlfriend, most claim that they got married), the whole communist hoax and the Russian Revolution was orchestrated by the Jews. Lenin was funded by the Rothschilds, when we was in Europe before returning to Russia with financial support, among other things, to stir things up. I mean there were only few Russian communist leaders since the birth of communist Russia, some were Ukrainian, if i'm not mistaking, and in the beginning the Jews were leading the revolution.
So what's so impossibly about Stalin being Jewish too?

I would suggest you to look into how many US presidents were Jewish in reality. You'll be surprised. Especially during the Cold War and the WW2
Forgot to mention that what we know about the Russian Mafia & the Russian Revolution are really not Russian. Karl Marx and Engels (both Zionist Jews) created socialism and imported to Russia. People call the Russians "commies" in this country as if the communism was a Russian creation, when it has nothing to do with Russians. I think the Russian history was a very sad one after the Jews overthrew the tsarist Empire and exhiled all the Russian inteligentsa. We all know what type of minds those people had and what Russia could have been today if that part of the society was not murdered.

Edited by elle, 10 February 2008 - 04:54 PM.

[Boghos]

Oh no, not again...the usual Jewish this, Jewish that conspiracy garbage.How many US presidents were masons? how many drunk Coca-Cola for breakfast?

[Boghos]

Are you saying that it's impossible? LOL
If so, why?
The man had 3 Jewish wives (the last one is disputed...either she was the wife or the girlfriend, most claim that they got married), the whole communist hoax and the Russian Revolution was orchestrated by the Jews. Lenin was funded by the Rothschilds, when we was in Europe before returning to Russia with financial support, among other things, to stir things up. I mean there were only few Russian communist leaders since the birth of communist Russia, some were Ukrainian, if i'm not mistaking, and in the beginning the Jews were leading the revolution.
So what's so impossibly about Stalin being Jewish too?

I would suggest you to look into how many US presidents were Jewish in reality. You'll be surprised. Especially during the Cold War and the WW2
Forgot to mention that what we know about the Russian Mafia & the Russian Revolution are really not Russian. Karl Marx and Engels (both Zionist Jews) created socialism and imported to Russia. People call the Russians "commies" in this country as if the communism was a Russian creation, when it has nothing to do with Russians. I think the Russian history was a very sad one after the Jews overthrew the tsarist Empire and exhiled all the Russian inteligentsa. We all know what type of minds those people had and what Russia could have been today if that part of the society was not murdered.

Yes, were it not for the Jews, Russia would be a different country...you´ve been reading too much Pamyat literature.

[Ashot]

Boghos jan, what amases me is if you don't like the conversation why do you even get involved:~~ now that you are in you have to post your own opinion about hit subject!!! in detail!!!

[elle]

Yes, were it not for the Jews, Russia would be a different country...you´ve been reading too much Pamyat literature.

I'll keep the literature part in mind!
I would advise you to do some research on the subject please. Nothing was compared to the Tsarist Russia during those years...The fall of the Russian Empire was very much needed for the few Jewish international bankers, just like the same few Jews funded the Young Turks (Jews) in Tsaloniki in order to destroy the Sultan's Ottoman Empire by massacring almost all of the minorities...this just shows you that the two incidents happen simultaneously....They wanted to destroy the Russian Empire and they succeeded...at the same time detsroying the "heads" of Russia whether it was the Romanov's family or other great political and intelectual leaders. The same way these Jews got rid of the Armenian political and intelectual leaders first...do you see any parallels here?

I see that you really have no idea what the jewish role has been in the world politics in the last...I would say 3 centuries. I would advise you not to use the "blame it on all the Jews" common phrase...I'm not blaming the Jews, I'm simply stating the horrendous things the Zionists have done and are still doing today.
Also, do some research on Hitler's connections to the Jewish bankers of Europe and the help he got from the Rothschilds. Do you really think that 6 million Jews were murdered because of anti-Semitism when Hitler was being funded for the war by the same Jewish Rothschilds? As if the self-loving Jews would ever let anything happen to their own people, especially at the time when the Zionism was on rise in Central & Eastern Europe? The same Rothschilds were ultra-Zionists themselves and they particpiated at the 1st Jewish Congress in Switzerland (I think it took palce in Switzerland) while number of top non-Jewish political figures had front row seats? I'm not claiming that there was no Holocaust, but it most certainly wasn't becasue of anti-Semitism, even though there was a huge anti-Semitism in Russia at that time during the progroms on the Western parts of Russia. I'm saying that the number killed was much less than 6 million. Having all that power in Europe and in US, it's funny to even think that 6 million Jews got killed and all the influencial Jews couldn't stop it or could not have prevented it when they controlled economies of certain countries and had such close ties with other non-European leaders. Just look at the similarities of how the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire fell apart.

Edited by elle, 10 February 2008 - 07:17 PM.

[hosank]

Stalin Jewish?That´s a new version of the "everybody else but us" being responsible for our fate.

yep, if there is one thing that i could point out with outdated armenian political parties, (dashnaks, ramgavars, hnchaks) is their insistance on forein powers. we are armenians, we have nothing to do with the greater line up of power...or russian iranian aims at counterballancing US power or what ever... for now an alliance with russia is somewhat beneficial for us, but let us not be decieved by any power that holds a hand out to us, iranians are investing in our country...let it be so, but that does not mean they are not benefiting from it as well (as with the russians) everyone will try to exploit us, but we must remember that our primary goal is the survival of our nation, and we will take all the help we can get, but not be blinded by illusions which do not concern us.