Basque
#1
Posted 15 May 2001 - 10:42 PM
for example, word "urmia", also lake in currant iran, doesn't mean anything in the languages of the region. but in basque it means "shallow". in reality lake urmia is very shallow. (btw: lake's name in Arm is kaputan)
interesting?
i remamber one professor (don't remember the name) giving a interview on tv. he had many more examples. i'll add when i recall them.
does anybody know more about this?
[ May 15, 2001: Message edited by: HarutPakhanyan ]
#2
Posted 16 May 2001 - 07:25 AM
I think we will never really know... Pity...
Perhaps she got that from this one book I have in my library but haven't come around to reading... The book is a bit silly, in my opinion - Abkhazian is deemed to be the beginning of all European languages or some such (if not all Indo-European) - although you can't dispute, as the guy provides a word and its forms in several different languages... Still... Why Abkhazian?
#3
Posted 16 May 2001 - 08:22 AM
[ May 16, 2001: Message edited by: Berj ]
#4
Posted 16 May 2001 - 09:56 AM
I doubt there was such a country, though.
As for Sanskrit... Didn't know it was considered to be the oldest...
There are a few words in Turkish, loaned from Sanskrit, by the way. One that I have been told is "güneş" (which I thought made sense in Turkish as "companion to the day" - sun)... Another is "ev" (originally "eb," I thınk) - house. Both of these were told to me by the same person and I must have been so curious I still remember them. Don't know about veracity, though.
Other than that, Abkhazia (plus Georgia, I think) is the historic land of Colchida where Jason and the Argonauts went on their quest for the Golden Fleece.
A story I heard - when God created Earth, he sent his angel to distribute languages from a bag. The angel obeyed and gave a language a land, but when it came to the last piece of land, namely the Caucasus, the angel realized that there were still too many languages left for such a small patch of land. Regardless, it dumped the languages over the Caucasus - hence you have so many little nations there... (Same goes for most of Africa, too, though.)
#5
Posted 16 May 2001 - 11:03 PM
I'm not sure whether Abkhazian was a written language at that time.
I think the "white race" is called Caucasian by the western science for a number of reasons. According to the biblical legends Iaphet, the son of Noah, settled in Caucasus giving birth to the "white race". The oldest remaits of the "white monkey" (don't remember the scientific name of the "white monkey" but the "yellow one" was is called Cinantropus) were found in Caucasus. There were more but I don't remember them now.
I'll try to find out where "Caucasus" comes from.
#6 Guest__*
Posted 16 May 2001 - 12:22 PM
Sanskrit is considered as the oldest Indo_European language, but the problem is that it is written much after it was once spoken, but the linguists all agree that Sanskrit had preserved more features of the proto_Indo_European than for example ancient Greek or Latin.
As For the similarities between basque and Armenian: Basque and Armenian are not related. Armenian is an Indo-European language, while Basque(=Euskera)is an isolated language.Some have speculated that Basque may be a branch of Caucasian languages, Basque grammar has indeed similarities with Georgian, but also north Caucasian languages as Chechen, but in lexicon and vocubulary they are very different.
PS.
URMIA is an Armaic (Assyrian name) means UR-mia city of water. Kaputan means the blues, or better said the (dark) blue lake.
just some notes
#7
Posted 16 May 2001 - 08:07 PM
i didn't know about that this much.
the little info i had was from tv program i saw 5 years ago.
i think i'm clear about this now.
#8
Posted 16 May 2001 - 08:55 PM
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Posted 17 May 2001 - 01:25 AM
#10
Posted 17 May 2001 - 03:51 PM
Steve
PS,
Thorny Rose, the term "Caucasian" as an ethnic category for white Americans is only used in North America - nowhere else in the English speaking world is it used (abused?)thus. But where does the name "Thorny Rose" come from - I have heard it somewhere before, but forget where.
Steve
#11
Posted 17 May 2001 - 07:20 PM
#12
Posted 18 May 2001 - 01:25 AM
It doesn't have anything in common with Armenian.
Does anyone know why the name Ruben appears only in Spanish and Amenian?
#13 Guest__*
Posted 18 May 2001 - 11:26 PM
If the Basque is a Caucasian language is never been proved, it has some grammatical similarity with Georgian but more with Chechen, but it's lexicon and vocubalary is totally different. The Georgians claim Basque is a relative of Georgian to become some sort of European, it is something recent and those people who say such a thing are usually not linguistically educated people. The grammatical similarity between Caucasian languages and Basque is not more than those with Dravidian or Maya for example, have you heared any Georgian attach himself with the Black Indians or the native Mexican? There is some ignorance in these claims of some people that make me laugh but this behaviour is actually very sad
#14
Posted 18 May 2001 - 11:40 PM
Originally posted by Nvard:
Does anyone know why the name Ruben appears only in Spanish and Amenian?
Dear Nvard,
Ruben is a Biblical name. This was the name given to the long waited son of Abraham from his old wife Sarah. If I am not mistaken, Ruben translates as "Here is a son for you" from Hebrew, though in Hebrew it is pronounced differently - something like "Rakhim," I think.
#15 Guest__*
Posted 18 May 2001 - 11:47 PM
In old Andalucia in the Islamic periods also in many poems the word Rab is used instead of el Dio!
#16
Posted 18 May 2001 - 01:16 PM
P.S. BTW, in the 20th Century, Armenians have not written epics like Rostam and Dilara. And did you mean that the work of N.N. was an implementation of "Biuraspi Azhdahak?"
[ May 18, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]
#17 Guest__*
Posted 18 May 2001 - 02:06 PM
#18
Posted 18 May 2001 - 02:10 PM
#19
Posted 19 May 2001 - 05:35 AM
Originally posted by Thorny Rose:
Methinks you might remember me from Armenia-Diaspora Forum...
It was the screen name "Thorny Rose" that caught my eye. I was wondering if you had made it up - or got it from somewhere else, as I think it may have also been the pen name or alias of a 19th century writer (but I can't remember for certain).
Steve
#20
Posted 20 May 2001 - 05:00 AM
But what surprises me is that the pronounciaton and the stressing of the name RUBEN is exactly the same in Spanish and Armenian.It's obvious that RAHIM sounds kinda different
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