Jump to content


Photo

Tigran The Greatís Citadel Found In Artsakh


  • Please log in to reply
54 replies to this topic

#41 Aratta-Kingdom

Aratta-Kingdom

    www.ArmaniKingdom.com

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,234 posts

Posted 11 August 2011 - 02:51 AM

I'm gonna be in Aratsakh this weeken. Kpotsem Tigranakertits nor nkarner berem:


EXCAVATIONS IN ARTSAKH SHED LIGHT ON ANCIENT CITY OF DIKRANAGERD Armenian Weekly Wed, Aug 10 2011 STEPANAKERT, NKR (A.W.)-Recent archaeological activities are yielding new and exciting finds in the ancient city of Dikranagerd, located in Artsakh. An excavation site in Dikranagerd (photo by Khatchig Mouradian) Dikranagerd, the city built by Dikran the Great, was discovered in 2005. Since then, archaeologists have carried out excavations in various parts of the city and revealed such structures as the Mijnaberd Fortress and the Basilica Church, the director of the Atsakh Archaeological Expedition, Hamlet Petrosyan, told Armenpress. Archaeologists now believe that Dikranagerd, founded in the first century B.C., was a large city with an advanced building plan and construction modes, many gardens, and a large population of several thousands. In recent months, archaeologists have discovered a district with a territory of six to seven hectares. They also located a cemetery and upon, further excavations, discovered that the dead were buried with property, including coins, Petrosyan said. The archaeological discoveries have been presented to communities in Yerevan, Stepanakert, the U.S., and Egypt. "If we continue the excavations of Dikranagerd with this tempo, it will take 15-20 years to understand the blueprint of the city," said Petrosyan, who is also the head of Yerevan State University's department of cultural studies. A museum and storage facility for the artifacts is under construction in Stepanakert. In the meantime, items that require special storage conditions are being kept at Yerevan State University's archaeology lab. The rest, totaling over 3,000 items, are currently on exhibit at the Dikranagerd Museum. According to Petrosyan, between 300 and 800 artifacts are unearthed each year. The government of the Nagorno Karabagh Republic (NKR) funds the excavation efforts. This year they earmarked 25 million AMD (less than $70,000) to the project-less than the sum allocated in previous years. "The government funds concrete excavations, and a small sum of money is provided for the needs of the expedition group," said Petrosyan, adding that engineering-related costs, including equipment expenses, are funded through private sources.

#42 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 27,998 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 11 August 2011 - 01:05 PM

I'm gonna be in Aratsakh this weeken. Kpotsem Tigranakertits nor nkarner berem:


EXCAVATIONS IN ARTSAKH SHED LIGHT ON ANCIENT CITY OF DIKRANAGERD Armenian Weekly Wed, Aug 10 2011 STEPANAKERT, NKR (A.W.)-Recent archaeological activities are yielding new and exciting finds in the ancient city of Dikranagerd, located in Artsakh. An excavation site in Dikranagerd (photo by Khatchig Mouradian) Dikranagerd, the city built by Dikran the Great, was discovered in 2005. Since then, archaeologists have carried out excavations in various parts of the city and revealed such structures as the Mijnaberd Fortress and the Basilica Church, the director of the Atsakh Archaeological Expedition, Hamlet Petrosyan, told Armenpress. Archaeologists now believe that Dikranagerd, founded in the first century B.C., was a large city with an advanced building plan and construction modes, many gardens, and a large population of several thousands. In recent months, archaeologists have discovered a district with a territory of six to seven hectares. They also located a cemetery and upon, further excavations, discovered that the dead were buried with property, including coins, Petrosyan said. The archaeological discoveries have been presented to communities in Yerevan, Stepanakert, the U.S., and Egypt. "If we continue the excavations of Dikranagerd with this tempo, it will take 15-20 years to understand the blueprint of the city," said Petrosyan, who is also the head of Yerevan State University's department of cultural studies. A museum and storage facility for the artifacts is under construction in Stepanakert. In the meantime, items that require special storage conditions are being kept at Yerevan State University's archaeology lab. The rest, totaling over 3,000 items, are currently on exhibit at the Dikranagerd Museum. According to Petrosyan, between 300 and 800 artifacts are unearthed each year. The government of the Nagorno Karabagh Republic (NKR) funds the excavation efforts. This year they earmarked 25 million AMD (less than $70,000) to the project-less than the sum allocated in previous years. "The government funds concrete excavations, and a small sum of money is provided for the needs of the expedition group," said Petrosyan, adding that engineering-related costs, including equipment expenses, are funded through private sources.


Bari janaparh, inchu miyayn Tigranakerty :) amen teghi n@kar el ber :) gites Achqers karot en mnatsel :(

#43 Zartonk

Zartonk

    Magnificent!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,764 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Մարդկության ու ճշմարտության միջև

Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:18 AM

Երանի քեզ...

#44 Aratta-Kingdom

Aratta-Kingdom

    www.ArmaniKingdom.com

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,234 posts

Posted 16 August 2011 - 05:57 AM

FOLLOW THE LINK TO SEE PICTURES FROM TIGRANAKERT:

http://hyeforum.com/...=0

#45 Aratta-Kingdom

Aratta-Kingdom

    www.ArmaniKingdom.com

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,234 posts

Posted 16 August 2011 - 06:02 AM

kanem MosJan-kanem. Dzmran@ L.A.-um em linelu u azat jamanak shat kunenam. Kporcem eli shat nkarner situm dnem. Der shat shat anaknkalner kan...

Zarton jan, ger hajuyq e Artsakhum jamportel@ u haghtanaki berkranq@ vayelel@. Hamecek Artsakh...iroq drakhtayin tegh e.

#46 Yervant1

Yervant1

    The True North!

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,091 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:46 AM

TIGRANAKERT WAS PRESENTED IN FLORENCE, ITALY

http://times.am/?l=en&p=14387

Tigranakert was presented in All Italian 1st conference on Public
archaeology (Archeologia Pubblica. Il primo congresso di archeologia
pubblica in Italia. Firenze, 29 - 30 ottobre 2012) organized by
University of Florence in Pallazzo Vecchio.The head of Tigranakert
Archaeological Mission, professor of Yerevan State University Hamlet
L. Petrosyan on Monday 29th of October hold a presentation in Pablic
Archaeology all Italian conference in Florence. Bellow there are some
quotations from his presentation.

"The Hellenistic city of Tigranakert is located in the internationally
unrecognized republic of Nagorno Karabagh, which has proclaimed its
independence at the beginning of the 90s of the last century after
the Armenian-Azerbaijani war. The discovery of Tigranakert is one of
the most successful undertakings of the Armenian cultural heritage
in terms of inclusion of this heritage into the current cultural
processes. Before the archaeological research only legends are known
about this city. The initiative to discover the city was a civic
initiative to reveal to the Armenian and international scientific and
political circles, that "historical excursus" of Azerbaijan about
the idea the Armenians came to Nagorno Karabagh only in the 19th
century, was a political hoax, via ignoring the presence of Armenians
during last two thousand years in Nagorno Karabagh and surroundings,
witnessed by many Greek and Roman (Strabo, Pliny the Elder, Plutarch,
Ptolemy, Dio Cassius), Armenian, Arabic, Persian, Georgian historians,
several thousands of Armenian inscriptions of the 7th-18th centuries,
and so on.

During the first stage of the research I have collected all the
bibliographical data about the location. The comparison of this
data with the folk legends as well as with travelers' portrayals
made possible to assert that Tigranakert was located on the border
of merging of Karabagh mountain range with steppe, on the road from
Armenia to ancient Georgian kingdom of Iberia, in the current river
of Khachenaget. Based on this research in 2005 an expedition was set
for an archaeological research of the area. The mission examined the
territory with radius of 10km where Khachenaget gets out into the
steppe. As a result of this in the south-eastern slope of Vanqasar
mountain, an ancient settlement were verified. The traces were in the
form of foundations of a fortification walls 200m in length, dug into
the rock, as well as large depositories of Hellenistic pottery. This
data was sufficient enough for systematically excavations, as a result
of which during 2006-2012 uncovered some parts of almost 60 hectares
of a city: the Hellenistic Fortified area with foundations dug into
the rock and walls with "swallow-like" ties, the single-domed basilica
church of the Central area, Early Christian necropolis, Hellenistic
necropolis and Hellenistic Quarter, Early Christian Cave sanctuary
complex, and the Canal dug into a rock. We are trying to preserve the
landscape look of the monument, which means exclusion of installation
of any modern object on the whole territory of the monument, if it
could disrupt the landscape perception of the monument.

The next component of this cultural initiative is the publicity efforts
that include organization of almost a dozen exhibitions in Karabagh,
Armenia and one exhibiton in Switzerland, publications, including in
Russian, French, Inglish and Spanish, hope soon in Italian, creation of
a website, creation of Facebook page, several dozens of TV and radio
interviews, 7 documental movies, organization of cultural events, and
finally the establishment of archaeological museum of Tigranakert on
the territory of the monument. As a result, today Tigranakert is the
most known to the public and most visited monument in Karabagh. In the
course of two years the museum had 45 thousand visitors, for comparison
Armenia's largest and the most visited museum - the State Museum of
History of Armenia, has approximately 40 thousand visits a year.

Despite on the fact that Nagorno Karabagh is not internationally
recognized country and a lot of governments advice their citizens
against visiting the region, almost eight thousand five hundred
visitors of the museum were diasporas Armenians, while four thousand
five hundred were non-Armenians, mostly citizens of Switzerland, USA,
Canada and France. Unfortunately Italy has a very modest position in
this list with only 150 non-Armenian citizens.

Tigranakert not only facilitates the publicity of the cultural
heritage of Nagorno Karabagh, but also reinforces the pride of the
local population, connecting them further to the environment, becoming
the holly center for the people who live in the region. The examination
of the Azerbaijani responses is noteworthy in this context. It can be
characterized from silliness to sobriety, from neglect of facts to the
process of acceptance and interpretation. The first is efficiency,
in 2006 right after the excavations the Azerbaijani media and
websites reported about the excavations. This is true today as well,
from financial support to duration of excavations, to conclusions
of the expedition, although with obvious avoidance to use images
that show the monument in full, for example today you will not find
a Azerbaijani website that has a photo of the full fortress walls
that are widely popular on the Internet. At the beginning there were
only jokes, disparagement. Then they were trying to get serious and
find political answers in our undertakings. The Azerbaijani academy
joins with a special decision about Tigranakert, which has been also
placed on the website of the National Security of Azerbaijan. Today
the results of the recent excavations of Tigranakert are presented on
different websites with dozens of comments among hundreds of images and
structural photos. And it is difficult for an Azerbaijani researcher
to state that there is no city there, it is impossible to assert that
this is not an ancient city, furthermore they write articles today that
the city of Tigranakert existed but it was not an Armenian settlement
and was located in a different location, etc. Meaning they accept
that Armenian archaeologists have discovered a city built during
the era of Tigranes the Great which is not Tigranakert. Azerbaijani
opponents often mention that foreign researchers and scientists
do not cooperate with us because they do not trust our scientific
integrity. Azerbaijani colleagues of course realize that the lack
of cooperation is pure political, the international organizations
that deal with cultural heritage and appropriate state institutions
of certain countries avoid this cooperation because Nagorno Karabagh
is not internationally recognized state.

UNESCO's Moscow office has rejected to submit two of my proposals to
create a neutral, pure vocational Internet portal with the database of
all the monuments located in the liberated territories, specifically in
the surrounding areas of Tigranakert, which will contain all monuments,
including those of Muslim origins with only one reasoning, the heritage
of these territories cannot be accepted for discussion.

One can resume, that the political situation deprives the people
of Karabagh from the right to live a cultural life, a right that is
stated in the Universal human rights convention a component of which
is transformation of the cultural heritage into a part of everyday
life. The cultural policy in the recent decades is shifting its meaning
and direction in the world. The cultural right of a human being and
the perception of cultural democracy as a policy are getting wide
attention. In this context the largest result of the discovery and
research of Tigranakert is the wide publicity that this monument
has, it is the stream of thousands of people that come to see the
monument disregarding if it is a part of the state policy or how
serious arguments pro and con of the scientist. A lot of them care
about the return of their cultural heritage. Today Tigranakert is a
location where diplomas and medals are granted, competitions are held,
concerts and festivals are organized.

The population of the surrounding villages brings their guests to
Tigranakert, sends books, images and brochures about Tigranakert to
their relatives who live abroad, etc. And isn't the increase of the
role of cultural heritage in shaping of the identity the main goal
of a cultural policy? At the beginning the discovery of Tigranakert
for me and my friends was an initiative to prove wrong the president
Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan who stated that Armenians have moved to
the territory of Karabgh in the 19th century. Today, after witnessing
the regard toward the monument of the thousands of people, the pride,
I think it is one of the components of the current cultural development
and identity making and attesting in Nagorno Karabagh".

31.10.12, 23:26

#47 onjig

onjig

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 948 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ranch in Sierra Nevada Mountains, California, Ranch in Nevada
  • Interests:Family, Armenia, Armenians,skiing, crop, too much to list.

Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

Very good thread, lots of information.

#48 Yervant1

Yervant1

    The True North!

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,091 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:38 PM

Tigranakert the largest Hellenic monument in the Caucasus

http://www.armradio....n-the-caucasus/
15:54 05.10.2013

Sona Hakobyan
Public Radio of Armenia


Today there is no Hellenic monument in the Caucasus larger than
Tigranakert. Head of the Tigranakert expedition Hamlet Petrosyan, who
started the excavations in Artsakh back in 2006 at his own initiative,
considers that the researches works at the site have long exceeded the
limits of an academic study with regard to the development of tourism
and diffativerent cultural inities.

Although Hamlet Petrosyan has never been interested in politics, he
notes that our political field fails to use the historical-cultural
monuments, while the cultural heritage could become a powerful tool in
the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.

According to him, no politician or political scientist has ever spoken
about the importance of the discovery of the city built by King Tigran
on the territory of Artsakh next to Aghdam.

The research works in Tigranakert are of great significance from the
viewpoint of cultural policy, as well. However, this is not propagated
at a proper level, either, the archaeologist said.

 



#49 Yervant1

Yervant1

    The True North!

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,091 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:39 PM

Azerbaijanis not happy with existence of Tigranakert

16:15, 5 October, 2013

YEREVAN, OCTOBER 5, ARMENPRESS: Tigranakert, which has been discovered
during excavations, has quite a significant role, as it was
found in Aghdam territory. As reported by Armenpress, the head of the
Tigranakert expedition Hamlet Petrosyan stated: `Azerbaijan
had a fundamentally negative attitude to the discovery of Tigranakert.
Later they kept silent, understanding that in fact a big
city was found'.

During the excavations the expedition found the wall of the city, two
churches, one of the three antique districts of the city, working
instruments and other structures and items.

The territory, found in the result of the excavations of Tigranakert,
is considered a state reserve. About 2,000 tourists visit the site
annually.

http://armenpress.am...igranakert.html

 



#50 Yervant1

Yervant1

    The True North!

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,091 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 September 2014 - 09:17 AM

Politicians do not pay attention to Tigranakert (video)

13:30 | September 8,2014 | Politics


Political circles in Armenia do not pay attention to Tigranakert and I
would call their indifference in one word - apathy, Doctor of
Historical Sciences Hamlet Petrosyan said on Monday.

"No one in Armenia has taken any measure for Tigranakert, not a single
party has held a protest for Tigranakert, whereas Azerbaijan is
continually protesting and complaining and banning visitors from
visiting Azerbaijan. They are sending letters of complaint to the
organizations that participate in our excavations," the head of a
group that is holding archeological excavations in Tigranakert told
reporters.

Of the 70 hectare of the land, the group has excavated 2 hectares, the
most important parts of the area.

Thanks to the excavations, the monument has become a spectacular sight
that attracts more tourists. About 30000-40000 people visit
Tigranakert annually. Most of them arrive from foreign countries.

One of the main goals of the excavation is to make Tigranakert known
to the world.

http://en.a1plus.am/1195635.html
https://www.youtube....h?v=SKfM6kJmTNY



#51 Yervant1

Yervant1

    The True North!

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,091 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 September 2014 - 09:22 AM

Tigranakert fortress may open doors soon - archaeologist

15:18 * 08.09.14


The head of the archaeological team conducting excavations in
Tigranakert (the ancient Armenian capital on the territory of
Nagorno-Karabakh) says they expect to open the historical city's
fortress in the near future.

"We are hopeful to open the fortress' main entrance, which promises
not only a magnificent architectural sample but also, I think, records
about the city. In the central district's Christian Square. we have
unveiled the second church where we had unearthed a crypt under the
Koran," Hamlet Petrosyan told reporters on Friday, commenting on the
results of the excavation.

He said they invited three foreign experts to collaborate with the
team last year in an effort to raise worldwide awareness of the
historical Armenian site. "Tigranakert needs to gain recognition
today, so by inviting foreign specialists, we will raise awareness of
the city in those countries as well. Apart from their academic
significance, archaeological excavations are also important in terms
of raising the society's attention. All Armenians have been involved
in the process. The excavations in Tigranakert are very important, as
we need attention not only by the scientific circles but also ordinary
people," he explained.

Petrosyan said 30,000-40,000 people annually visit Tigranakert to see
the ancient site.

"And in spite of all that, there is absolutely no attention by either
the authorities or the political parties. The same indifference we see
on the part of the National Academy of Sciences. Yes, they do not
hamper our activities or reject us, but there is no enthusiasm about
that invention which bears witness to the Armenians' presence in those
territories in the early Christian period
," the archeologist noted.


http://www.tert.am/e...08/tigranakert/
 



#52 onjig

onjig

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 948 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ranch in Sierra Nevada Mountains, California, Ranch in Nevada
  • Interests:Family, Armenia, Armenians,skiing, crop, too much to list.

Posted 04 August 2015 - 08:22 PM

Tigranakert_of_Artsakh_01.jpg

The ruins of the Tigranakert archaeological site in Artsakh (Source: Raffi Youredjian)

STEPANAKERT (Panorama)—Excavations show that Tigranakert in Artsakh, founded in the 1st century BCE, existed until the 14th century CE. In order to preserve the rich heritage of the Armenian people, a cultural and historical natural reserve has been created in the territories in and around Tigranakert, which has opened its doors to visitors, says a video produced by the State System of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic’s Department of Tourism and Historical Environment Protection.

The video shows the natural peculiarities of Tigranakert and its surroundings. The makers of the video pay special attention to the Khachen River, whose waters have irrigated the lands on the nearby plains for centuries. The orchards in the territory of the natural reserve are especially singled out and described as, “yielding in nothing to Eden.”

According to the video, the area was chosen to construct the city due to the abundance of springs, called “the Royal springs,” which solved the problem of the city’s drinking water supply.

During excavations lead by doctor of historical sciences Hamlet Petrosyan, archaeologists were able to uncover almost 450-meter-long fortress walls from under the ground, and to show the world one of the most beautiful cities of its time, built with Hellenic technologies, including a laying called “tsitsernakapoch.”

The video also shows a museum where artifacts found during the excavation are kept—a testament to the ancient history of Tigranakert in Artsakh, and the abundance of material culture dating back from prehistoric times till the 17th century CE.

The excavations at Tigranakert were initiated and financed by “Yerkir” UNGO in 2005. In 2007, the government of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic partly financed the project and in 2008, all the expenses were covered by the government of Artsakh.

 



#53 Yervant1

Yervant1

    The True North!

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,091 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 15 August 2015 - 08:51 AM

TIGRANAKERT ONE OF MOST VISITED TOURIST SITES IN ARTSAKH

August 14, 2015 - 16:23 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - According to the data provided by Tigranakert
tourist informational center, about 7000 people visited the site in
January-July 2015, which is 10% more against the same period of 2014.

Tigranakert is mainly visited by Armenian and Artsakh citizens,
but the number of foreign tourists keeps growing as well due to the
ongoing excavations and development of local infrastructure.

Currently, Tigranakert is considered to be one of the most visited
destinations in NKR.

http://www.panarmeni...ng/news/195979/
 


  • MosJan likes this

#54 Yervant1

Yervant1

    The True North!

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,091 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 17 May 2016 - 09:36 AM

Finds discovered by Karabakh servicemen to be exhibited at Tigranakert Archaeological Museum

 
pngjehd14DpkG.png

SOCIETY 19:42 16/05/2016 NKR

The finds discovered by NKR Defense Army soldiers from antique necropolis in the eastern part of Artsakh will be exhibited at the Archaeological museum of Tigranakert on May 18 in the scope of International Museum Day, the official website of the "Service for the Protection of Historical Environment and Cultural Museum Reservations" NCSO of the RA Ministry of Culture reports.

To remind, during engineering works in the eastern part of Artsakh on May 5, NKR Defense Army soldiers discovered an antique necropolis. Deputy Director of State Service for the Protection of Historical Environment of the Department of Tourism of the NKR Ministry of Economy, Diana Mirijanyan noted that during engineering works two ancient necropolises had been found, two complete finds there: trifoliate jug and a 4-piece plate.

“Now the finds are at the Department of Tourism of the Ministry of Economy of NKR, and works on cleaning are now being conducted in order to enroll them into the organization’s fund,” she said, adding that soon research works will begin in that district. Mirijanyan also informed that the finds would be exhibited at the Archaeological museum of Tigranakert within the International Museum day on May 18.
She then didn’t excluded that the antique necropolis and the finds there will attract more tourists in the future.

During military operations unleashed by Azerbaijan in early April, Armenian soldiers discovered other finds as well – a crock dating back to 7 000 BC, a jug and a dagger among them. Overall 5 finds referring to various historical periods were discovered during the period of April-May.  Specialists at "Service for the Protection of Historical Environment and Cultural Museum Reservations" non-commercial state organization indicate no date for resuming excavation works considering the military-political situation on the ground, yet they assure to launch the works whenever favorable conditions appear.

http://www.panorama....-Museum/1580454


#55 Yervant1

Yervant1

    The True North!

  • Super Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,091 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 05 August 2017 - 07:44 AM

news.am, Armenia
Aug 4 2017
 
 
“Pot” burial discovered during archaeological excavations at Karabakh’s Tigranakert (PHOTOS)
09:30, 04.08.2017
 
 
default.jpg
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A “pot” burial was unearthed during the archaeological excavation at the ancient Armenian town of Tigranakert, in the Republic of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh Republic/NKR).

Hamlet Petrosyan, head of the Tigranakert archaeological expedition, told about the aforesaid to Armenian News-NEWS.am.

In his words, the pot was opened, and judging from the objects found therein, this burial dates back between the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD. 

Together with the remains of the deceased, the tip of an arrow, beads, ram-shaped small jugs, and golden jewelry were put in the pot. Petrosyan explained that this was a form of burial typical of that time.

“These findings in Tigranakert are very important,” he added.

According to Hamlet Petrosyan, Martakert Region of Artsakh is very rich in archeological finds. 

Some of the photos are from the Facebook page of Hamlet Petrosyan.

20155789_1574120835993051_18621369366519

20431251_1590092717729196_30310719589958

IMG_8744.JPG

IMG_8769.JPG

IMG_8770.JPG

https://news.am/eng/news/403477.html

 

  • MosJan likes this




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users