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I have not said you did not get the point because you criticised the movie, I have said you did not get the point, because of what you criticised, if you were to critise the movie on its central point, we could then talk of disagreements.
Now, lets give an example, the need to put a "gay" in the story. Egoyans style is to link every caracters of the movie with each others... he decided that Ali's boyfriend father should have a conflict with his son, he has chosen a son. Why ? Because if he were to chose a women it will be easier to digest for fragile hearth, because he would not be a gay. But if he were to do that, he could not link Raffi with his son entirly, because his son would be a women, and the comparaison would be better if it would have been a man. Now how to link this man with the movie ? By linking it with another caracter, and even more a caracter of the movie in the movie, because Raffi's subject is about this. There is one women in the movie, that play a central role, the other womens are secondary and waiting the movie in the movie, and Cilia is in insest with Raffi. So Egoyan has chosen to make it a gay, to be able to link it with the Turkish actor... and to equilibrate this, on the Armenian part has put a story of an insest. So we end up from one part having a history of insest and from the other part a story of homosexuality.
Egoyan film has content, and your analogy with a dot is not accurate, you should rather compare it in an art work so much technical with so much details, that if you were to take one part of it and zoom it, you'll find new details and significations.
Everything is linked with each other, thats Egoyans style, the insest story, homosexuality, it is the taboo that our present time is facing, and Egoyan has put those ellements as a contrast with the past, he has chosen those things from other movies of his, and found them wirthy of being included in this movie.
Put in mind my critics, and go watch the movie another time.
There is one thing I forgot to tell, is that there was a kind of other messages. It is said that more sex and more violence you put in a film, and more it become a box office. Its like Egoyan was trying to show what kind of "tastfull" film would be produced with those two points.
Something like: You want violence ? The only violence we can offer even if we try hard, is the massacres, even if we can present heroic scense of defense, or a man avenging the death of his children, it would lead again to the bases, the tragedy, nothing could cover it. You want sex ? As much sex we can put, the only thing we can offer you, is women naked burning in fire or raped, as much as we try, this would still lead.
All the covers, Mont Ararat, all the artifices, the defense, etc... as much as you try, the product that will be presented still will be this tragedy, and that is the only thing that matter, the real content will come to surface, and this even if you use the best artifices. And this is one of the things Egoyan is trying to tell in his movie.
[ November 25, 2002, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Domino ]
Small Ararat spoiler derived from trailer
Started by
wh00t
, Nov 08 2002 05:00 PM
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#41 Guest_Fadi_*
Posted 26 November 2002 - 12:08 AM
#43 Guest_Fadi_*
Posted 25 November 2002 - 06:40 PM
What kind of interview was that ? Was that a joke or what ? A serious complex movie, and the maestro presented on a stupid intertaining program, the kind of stuff that him himself criticise indirectly in his own movie.
And believing they can joke on such a movie.
And believing they can joke on such a movie.
#44
Posted 27 November 2002 - 07:20 PM
wh00t, I am actually interested to hear what you thought of this movie. Did you see it already or not yet?
Domino, KROQ is the main reason why SOAD got really popular. They use to play them prior to anyone else. This is an alternative rock station in LA. I hope you were not expecting a world class interview from some DJ. Plus I myself thought it was a good interview for that age group.
Domino, KROQ is the main reason why SOAD got really popular. They use to play them prior to anyone else. This is an alternative rock station in LA. I hope you were not expecting a world class interview from some DJ. Plus I myself thought it was a good interview for that age group.
#45 Guest_Fadi_*
Posted 27 November 2002 - 07:30 PM
I don't like SAOP(Oups SOAD) Its not my kind of music at all.
[ November 27, 2002, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: Domino ]
[ November 27, 2002, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: Domino ]
#46
Posted 27 November 2002 - 07:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Azat:
wh00t, I am actually interested to hear what you thought of this movie. Did you see it already or not yet?
Azat, despite my obsession with the movie ever since its conception, I couldn't get myself to see it last weekend due to schoolwork. Yes, as Domino pointed out, it kills me that people (including Armenians) who didn't know the movie was coming out have seen it before me, but I will see it this weekend. Nobody seems to be able to go with me, my Jewish friends have Hannukah and what have you, but I'll see it this weekend even if I go alone Expect a review from me soon
Originally posted by Azat:
wh00t, I am actually interested to hear what you thought of this movie. Did you see it already or not yet?
#47 Guest_Fadi_*
Posted 27 November 2002 - 07:56 PM
wh00t, if you see a couple of Haitians on the theatre, I have something to do with that. I was able to force them to come and see the movie, by comparing the Armenian genocide with what the Whites did to the Blacks.
#48
Posted 27 November 2002 - 08:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Domino:
wh00t, if you see a couple of Haitians on the theatre, I have something to do with that. I was able to force them to come and see the movie, by comparing the Armenian genocide with what the Whites did to the Blacks.
I must admit that that's pretty impressive.
Originally posted by Domino:
wh00t, if you see a couple of Haitians on the theatre, I have something to do with that. I was able to force them to come and see the movie, by comparing the Armenian genocide with what the Whites did to the Blacks.
#49
Posted 27 November 2002 - 08:32 PM
I finally watched the “Ararat” movie…I basically read all the previous criticism and praise about this film and I reserved judgment until seeing it myself. After the movie my friends and I were at lose to find praise or positive things to say and overall feeling was that of disappointment. I was specially dismayed by Egoyan’s American style of soup opera additions in the film, which was adding nothing to the main theme. Ararat is like a large jigsaw puzzle and after putting it together it still looks like a distorted image. I have seen all Egoyan’s films and Ararat unfortunately falls short on substance and direction perhaps overly ambitious for its own sake and desperately trying to say too much too trivial to matter in the end. It is a disappointment I feel, AG deserves a second chance by someone who can really pull it off.
MJ self projection about this film that somehow Egoyan was trying to make us understand the futility of our present approach is unfounded. Egoyan himself reiterated many times that his aim was more about denial then our “exhausted approaches”
MJ self projection about this film that somehow Egoyan was trying to make us understand the futility of our present approach is unfounded. Egoyan himself reiterated many times that his aim was more about denial then our “exhausted approaches”
#50
Posted 27 November 2002 - 10:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Domino:
I don't like SAOP(Oups SOAD) Its not my kind of music at all.
me too. I guess not much music is my type. Originally posted by Domino:
I don't like SAOP(Oups SOAD) Its not my kind of music at all.
I am tooooooooo old.
#51 Guest_Fadi_*
Posted 28 November 2002 - 06:54 AM
Rubo, what you were expecting from that movie.
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