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#41 Dave

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Posted 21 January 2005 - 06:52 PM

So do you think that they are too integrated into Iranian society to be able to do anything?

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Posted 21 January 2005 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE (Iran01 @ Jan 21 2005, 05:20 PM)
Yeah, I guess you need to change your company  smile.gif  Your neigbors will have bad influnce on you, that is for sure.

I didnt say they are Persianized! If only 10% of Iranians were "Persianized" as old good time when the biggest sin, crime was a lie for them! Then Iran would never face 1979 revolution and the current situation today.

For you information , during II war with the help of Russians communists a panTurk with name Pishevari tried to separate Iranian Azarbaijan. He had 2 years.
But when the Russians were gone it took central government in Tehran 2 days to clean up in Iranian Azarbaijan.  biggrin.gif
It tell you a lot how must support panTurks had and have among Iranian Azari: 0%.

Close to same period, Dashnak had a bad attitude in Iranian Azarbaijan and started religious war. Many in Urumia ( which had/have a mixed population of Kurd, Azari, Assyrian, Armenian ) got killed.

Majority of PanIranist and nationlaist in Iran are from Iranian Azarbaijan:
Akhundzadeh, Taghizadeh, Iranshahr, Afshar, Kasravi, Azad Maraghei, Arani, Bahar  .... Are just a few names during last 100 years whom had great influence on modern understanding of Iranism.

Actually I dont understand your logic! if you think Iranians should not be naive, stupid and clean up since "they are not persianized". So who is next after "Azari Turks"? Armenians!!!


Ok, first off, I fully support the current Islamic regime in Iran. Why? Because if the Islamic regime falls, the entire middle east region will be at Israel’s mercy and service. The former regime of the shah was a puppet regime of Washington and Tel Aviv, is that what you want back? The former regime was a dictatorship, no better than the current Islamic regime which some US based Iranians complain about today. If you recall, was the SAVAK secret police, which was so brutal against Iranian citizens, created, organized, and financed by Washington and Jews in Israel? So in other words, the 1979 revolution is what saved Iran and made it truly independent. If I recall correctly, is it the current Islamic leadership of Iran that is going to turn the country into a nuclear power-house, something neither the US nor Israel would allow even if they were in the friendliest of relations. Yet despite this you have some treasonous Iranians today undermining Iran’s national security by whining to US and Israeli authorities about the “dangers the Islamic regime poses to the world”-SHAME!

During WWII Russians were in full control of “the republic of Southern Azerbaijan.” It was returned back under Iranian jurisdiction not because there was no popular support for unification with Soviet Azerbaijan or even independence, but solely due to US pressure. I believe it was the Turk named Kiyabani who led the Iranian Azeri’s struggle for independence against Iran. He was very popular amongst the Turks in Iran, and led quite a successful and popular campaign. It was only with foreign aid and US pressure against the Soviet Union that the Shah’s army was able to override the rebels. Do you ever wonder why they called it "Azad Azerbaijan"?-because it was free from Iran.

I am opposing your view that Azeri Turks in Iran are different from the Turks in Turkey or Azerbaijan. This simply isn’t true. They all come from the same bloodline, and a Turk will always remain a Turk. You are arguing that since Iranian Azeris have grown surrounded by Iranian culture that they are more Iranian than Turkish. While this is true to a certain degree, just like you have some Iranians in the US who think they’re American and not Persian, but ultimately the Azeris in Iran are a people who have national aspirations. The Iranian gov’t is keeping a really close eye on them, because they pose a catastrophic danger to Iran capable of tearing the country to pieces. Do you ever wonder why there isn’t a single Azeri language school in Iran while there are so many Armenian schools and churches? If the opportunity arises, the Azeris in Iran will backstab Iran in a single second. With a combined attack from Turkey and Azerbaijan, Iran will sink. 30 million Azeris in a country of 70 million, in a country where ethnic Iranians are less than half the population, is a very serious matter.

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Posted 21 January 2005 - 09:12 PM

I also wanted to add that Armenians in Iran have a history of over 600 years. For 600 years + Armenians generation after generation have grown up surrounded by Iranian culture. But that did not stop the Armenians forgetting about their national coconsciousness and aspirations, and it didn't stop them from going back to Armenian in very large numbers in the 1960's and onward. They didn't forget about their identity even when the Iranian government would do such snake-like actions as changing Armenian last names to make sound like Persian last names, for instance changing Kocharyan to Kochari, Muradyan to Muradooni, and etc..

Likewise, the Azeri Turks too have an identity. But unlike in the case of 100-200,000 Armenians, 30 million Azeri Turks is not a light matter.

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Posted 22 January 2005 - 03:33 AM

QUOTE (Dave @ Jan 21 2005, 06:52 PM)
So do you think that they are too integrated into Iranian society to be able to do anything?


Dear Dave

They are Iranians. They dont need to be integrated into Iranian society.
On Panturks sites , people get misinformed that Iranian Azari are 40-60% of Irans population..etc ( They are around 20-25%. And it dosent realy matter if they are 20 or 99% of population)

The thing is they are IRANIANS and there are a lot of intermarriage between Azari and other Iranian tribes: Kurds, Persian, Gilak, Mazani...
They do excatly the same as other Iranian tribes. The difference is in the language. The kind of Turkic they speak is "thier mother language today": It is a fact.

I dont know how explain it! Let me give you an example maybe you get a better understanding:
A lot of Iranian ( bothe Armenians and Persians) travel to Armenia to study.
But a few one do the same to Baku !!!
If there was so strong connection between fictive rep of Azerbayjan and Iranian Azarbaijan ! Then people should in masses travel into Baku! But the fact is they dont.

The same goes with Turkey! If it was because of the language so many Iranian Azari would study and work in Turkey. But they dont.


Here is two good links about the language of Azarbaijan and the name of Azarbaijan. Unfortunaly both are in Persian.
http://raasti.com/paazar01.htm
http://home.att.net/...riz/turkic1.htm

The last one is written by Ahmad Kasravi, who was from Tabriz and spoke Turkic.
It is a very good reading about when and how Turkic find its way into Azarbaijan.
I guess someone should translate it into Armenian ( only 13 pages). It is very informative.

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Posted 22 January 2005 - 05:28 AM

Artsakh

It seems to me you are infected of same kind of illness as many other Iranians!!!:
Deny and let feeling take over your judgement!

Millions and millions Iranians run on streets of Tehran and said:
death to Shah, Long live Khomeini
No to west, east, only islamic republic
Yes to Islam

Today same people disform facts and DENY:
No it was not me! It was other Iranians.
The so called revolution was stolen by Islamists.



Dear Artsakh!

When Pahlavi took over power in Iran, the Qajar dynasty ( A turkic tribe) where ruling
Iran. The Qajar Shah used to have 100 women in thier Harems, sale Caspian sea to Russia,
the south oil to England and for the few rubles, pounds have fun in Petersburg, Paris, London.
The same Qajar children are now living in New York, London and calling themselves as :
Persian princes. Why? Just to sale thier arts to better price on auction. Because "Persian" sounds
so sexy and exotice.


But what they left after: poverty, chaos, war, illnesses...
When the first Pahlavi Shah took over Iran, there was about 2000 Iranians who could read and write.
When Pahlavi left Iran 1979, only 200-300 000 Iranian studens were studying at European / American
universities.
Almost 25 years after the so called revolution, poeple still talked about 100 000 of death 1979.
The fact is 2-3 years ago IR of Iran published a list: The number of death 1979 was around 3000
people. During 1 year after revolution , around 1000-2000 Iranian officers, generals were executed
by Islamist and communists.
Yes , maybe shah was a dictator, but a good one, considering : 1400 years of Islamic culture,
Turkic and non-Turkic rullers in Iran, The Moguls attack, Russians and English influences in Iran.


The point is:
During same Turkic Qajar, panIranism start to grow in Iran. And DO NOT get surprised that the
majority of those new nationalists where from Iranian Azarbaijan. When almost all Iranians gave up
agianst Qajar! people such as Sattar Khan in Tabriz refused. He and a few men didnt give up.
He became a legened. And that was the start to take down the Turkic Qajar. Yes, when the Persian
gave up to Turkic Qajar, The Azari didnt.


I guess I understand your feeling againts Israel. But the reality is when:
France, Germany, England, USA where saling gun to Saddam, and the Arabs where supporting Saddam
with money, it was israel whom bombed Iraqs nuke and sold some gun to Iran.
During the war Iran was completely alone. When Saddam used chemical weapons on Iranian soldiers
and Kurds, the west was blind. But now Bush and Co are talking about chemical weapons in Iraq!


The politic is more complicated than that. For a few years ago Iran was in a VERY bad condition:
Sunni fanatical Taliban in Afqanistan. Saddam by his PanArabism in Iraq and the stupid falang of
proIslamist Mullah inside Iran. But Thanks to USA the Taliban are gone. Saddam is gone.
Actually you dont hear so much of Shia uprising in Iraq, they are quite and gentle for the moment.
Somehow Mullah in Iran know what is best for them. The reason is simple:
The real threat will not come from outside by USA or Israel. It is from inside.
70% of Irans population are youth and borned after revolution or do not remember it.
There is a small but strong Anti-islamic movement outside Iran AMONG some exile Iranians.
There is a solid background inside Iran to transfer the movement inside Iran.
Here is the real danger: Shiaism is a solid and important part of Irans culture. Excatly as Armenian
church is for Armenian identity.
Playing or better said enlighting the youth about Islam means :
You need to substitute the vaccum after Shiaism. And it is not a easy case.
IR of Iran has damaged the national identity so it is very easy for the youth to get attracted to
racism and fasicm. That is excatly a few panturks try to do:
create hate inside Iran. And Iranian mullah like it: They can continue to rule Iran.

Unfortunaly there are people among Armenians who do the same. Ofcourse I understand Armenians
perspective. If 1915 the genocide did not happen then today you would have probably 7-8 million
Armenians inside Turkey. So it is natural to hate the Turks.



But the thing is if Iran fall in ethnic war, then many countries around Iran will get bad times.
Especially Armenia. Yes, Iranian mullah are animals but they are smart. President Khatami once said:
We try to have good and balanced relation to our neigbors, BUT we have a special attitude towards
Armenia.
He knows what he is talking about. He knows that Armenia can be the trigger.


Do not forget that the man who formed Irans new identity, shiaism.
The man who is father of Iranians mullah of today.
The man who raped, ate Sunni male Turks.
The man who burned Armenian towns.
The man who forced hundreds of Armenians to his capital, Esfahan.
Was an Iranian Azari: Shah Ismail.
I am not surprised that you support Irans mullahs
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The point is ideology such as panturkism is based on hatred.
That is the source for them to grow. Unfortunaly panArmenianism falls into same mistake.
It is explainable, considering the relation and what happened 100 years ago and before that
between Turks and Armenians.

I bet all my money, if Yerevan started a cultural war on Baku, enlighting the ethnic
tribes who they are and thier rights: rep of Azerbayjan would be a short page in history book.

Edited by Iran01, 22 January 2005 - 05:58 AM.


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Posted 22 January 2005 - 05:56 AM

QUOTE (Artsakh @ Jan 21 2005, 09:12 PM)
I also wanted to add that Armenians in Iran have a history of over 600 years.  For 600 years + Armenians generation after generation have grown up surrounded by Iranian culture.  But that did not stop the Armenians forgetting about their national coconsciousness and aspirations, and it didn't stop them from going back to Armenian in very large numbers in the 1960's and onward.  They didn't forget about their identity even when the Iranian government would do such snake-like actions as changing Armenian last names to make sound like Persian last names, for instance changing Kocharyan to Kochari, Muradyan to Muradooni, and etc..

Likewise, the Azeri Turks too have an identity.  But unlike in the case of 100-200,000 Armenians, 30 million Azeri Turks is not a light matter.



Are you alright ? biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Yes Armenia is a Christian country and actually the first Christian nation on earth and ofcourse Iran is the only Shia muslim country in the world.
You speak Armenian, by its own bransch in Indo-European languages and we speak Persian.

But the fact is most of your words in Armenian is based on Pahlavi a dead old persian language.
It means there are still small traces of old Pahlavi in Iran too.
Such thing as " Kocharyan to Kochari, Muradyan to Muradooni " sounds as cheap panArmenian propaganda!
It is not like Armenians are from Mars and Iranians are from Jupiter!
Many Iranians have "ian" in last name. Sure 99% Armenians have "ian" in last name. But it is not strange to Iranian.


Many Armenians, not only them, change thier names to easily adapt into new country. Some years ago islamic republic offered small bank loan to Iranians who choosed Arabic names for thier children. Why? Because new generation in Iran prefer Iranian names.

It is better for you to wake up and stop seeing things in black and white.
Iran is on the top list to publish and translate Armenians litterature into Persian and other languages outside Armenia.
Do you still think Iranian government is snake-like ?

It has nothing to do with government!
Ofcourse they have an ideology and try to force Arabic names on Iranian.
But at the end it is people and the exchange of culture which decide which direction
people take.

You try the make a BIG case of Armenian "minority" in Iran to make Iranian Azari as the "BAD BAD BAD TURKS". tongue.gif

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 11:46 AM

Quite often the Azerbabooni  side makes reference to the principle of territorial integrity when stating their case in front of various international bodies vis-à-vis Artsakh (Nagorno Karabagh).

The Armenian side may very successfully use the same argument, because both Nagorno-Karabagh and Nahichevan, along with the regions of Kars, Ardahan, Karin (Erzerum), and Ararat were an inseparable part of the newly established Republic of Armenia, which has been internationally recognized in the aforementioned territories. Likewise, Georgia and Azerbaijan also have been recognized in 1918 by the then international community. In 1921 by the decision of the Soviet Supreme council, based on an earlier decision of the Transcaucasian Buro of the Bolshevik party the regions of Nahichevan and Nagorno – Karabagh was handed over to Azerbaijan without taking into account the will of the Armenian people which was the predominant populace of these regions. Later, when the great powers recognized the borders of the Soviet Union, no international forum ever recognized the borders of the subjects of the Union. Just before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the decisions taken by the local Armenian authorities of the Nagorno – Karabagh autonomous oblast was in line with the then Soviet Constitution and they called out for the separation of Nagorno – Karabagh from Azerbaijan. When the international community recognized the sovereignty of   Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabagh was not part of it.



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Posted 16 February 2020 - 09:27 AM

Public Radio of Armenia
Feb 15 2020
 
 
 
There was no country named Azerbaijan when Tigran the Great was negotiating with Pompeius, Pashinyan tells Aliyev
 
 

In the times of Tigran the Great (95-55 BC) there were only two nations in the region – Armenians and Georgians, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said at a panel discussion on Nagorno Karabakh held on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference.

The remarks came in response to Azerbaijani President Ilhal Aliyev’s claims that Azerbaijanis constituted  70% of Yerevan’s population at the turn of the 19th century.

“When Armenian King Tigran the Great was negotiating with Rоman general Pompeius, there was no country named Azerbaijan,” he stated.  

Speaking about the Karabakh conflict settlement, PM Pashinyan said the negotiations should take place within the framework of the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairmanship.

“We are working very intensively and we are ready to put serious efforts to bring real difference and reach a real solution,” Pashinyan said.

 
 

HNikol Pashinyan then referred to the minor revolutions he has made in the negotiation process.

“My perception is that it’s impossible to resolve this long-lasting conflict with one or two steps. We need micro-revolutions, transform them into mini-revolutions and then reach real breakthrough in negotiations,” the Armenian Prime Minister stated.

“One of the micro-revolutions was that in September 2018 I announced that any solution should be acceptable to the peoples of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno Karabakh. This was a micro-revolution, because I was the first Armenian leader to say the solution should be acceptable to the Azerbaijani people, as well,” Pashinyan stated.

The second micro-revolution, he said, was his call to social media users to stop threatening and insulting each other, and try to use the new technologies to understand each other better.

The Prime Minister then called out President Aliyev of Azerbaijan for the refusal talk to the people of Nagorno Karabakh.

He reminded that Nagorno Karabakh was recognized a party to the conflict and party to the negotiations by the OSCE. This happened twice on March 24, 1992 and during the OSCE summit in Budapest in 1994.

The Prime Minister also referred to the two ceasefire agreements signed between Nagorno Karabakh, Azerbaijan and Armenia.

 


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Posted 18 February 2020 - 09:57 AM

Pashinyan did ok, he could have done better with his rebuttals considering the manufactured hojali killings and he forgot to mention the Baku and Sumgait pogroms. Also the destruction of cemetery cross stones.



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Posted 18 February 2020 - 10:03 AM

News.am, Armenia
Feb 17 2020
 
 
 
Armenia analyst: Karabakh independence from Azerbaijan was established 3 times in 20th century
14:54, 17.02.2020
                  
 
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YEREVAN. – Discussion behind closed doors is one thing, but when there is an actual press conference during which the two leaders are battling, it is quite another. In the first case, it is not clear what exactly is being discussed, but one can guess, and the press conference is like a rally. But this is not a rally in Yerevan, and one needs properly prepared for it. Political scientist Aleksandr Manasyan stated this during a meeting with journalists today.

According to him, during the Munich debate between Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, the statements of the Armenian side, represented by Pashinyan, were not very convincing. "The historical arguments put forward by Pashinyan about Tigranes the Great and the revolution in Armenia were weak," the analyst said, noting that even the announcer was somewhat skeptical.

As per Manasyan, if the head of the Armenian government decided to go this way, these arguments should have been presented wisely and more carefully so as not to cause a negative reaction.

Referring to the Khojaly tragedy, the analyst noted that the Armenian side has its position on this issue, and he reminded that the Popular Front of Azerbaijan, which carried out the massacre of the peaceful Azerbaijani population in Khojaly, is entirely responsible for what happened.

The political scientist reminded that in the legal sense, Karabakh's independence from Azerbaijan was established three times in the 20th century: in 1918, 1920, and 1991.

“Karabakh is in the negotiation process; it’s us who is pushing it out,” Manasyan said. "When representatives of the OSCE Minsk Group visit Karabakh, it actually means that they admit that it is a party to the conflict."

He added that Karabakh should not wait for Baku's demands, but must posit its own conditions. Moreover, according to Aleksandr Manasyan, Azerbaijan still has to apologize to Armenians for the massacre of the Armenian population in Azerbaijan and Karabakh. Otherwise, there can be no negotiations.

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Posted 18 February 2020 - 10:16 AM

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Ilham Aliyev lies – claims reporter who interviewed former Azerbaijani president on Khojaly events

 
 
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YEREVAN, FEBRUARY 17, ARMENPRESS. Reporter Dana Mazalova who interviewed former president of Azerbaijan Ayaz Mutalibov and published the article in “Nezavisimaya Gazeta” reaffirms that irrespective of the efforts of the incumbent president of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev to distort the reality, her article is in full compliance with what former Azerbaijani president Ayaz Mutalibov said during the interview which took place in April, 1992.

The reporter regrets that she was unable to preserve the recording due to technical reasons.

“There was no internet, there were no computers, but I reaffirm that what I wrote back then are what Ayaz Mutalibov said, I have not added anything. Now he can deny it as he wants, but he said it the way it is printed in “Nezavisimaya Gazeta” newspaper. I have the copy of that newspaper and its available on the net, Ayaz Mutalibov has said it”, Dana Mazalova said in an exclusive interview with ARMENPRESS. Mutalibov gave an interview to Dana Mazalova after 1 month following his resignation.

Mazalova heard about the tragic events of Khojaly from the video recordings of cameraman Chingiz Mustafayev, who had personally made exclusive records. “Chingiz, whom I met in Kislovodsk, told me in his apartment how those people were killed, they were hurting their knees so they couldn't go. The knees… the most vulnerable place on human’s body. I was scheduled to take an interview from Ayaz Mutalibov the next day. I could not help asking him what I had seen in the records made by Chingiz. Of course, I did not say the name of my friend Chingiz not to harm him. After 2 months Chingiz was killed”, the reporter recalls with grief.

Dana Mazalova told also about another recording of Chingiz Mustafayev. The bodies of the victims of Khojaly events were seen in a video recording done on February 28 in front of the military positions of the “Popular Front” of Azerbaijani troops. According to Muslim traditions, the bodies should have been buried within two days, but Chingiz Mustafayev could record them also on March 2, but this time the bodies were taken to another place and were vandalized. In the video recording of February 28 it could be seen that Azerbaijani soldiers were walking near the bodies.

“I feel very guilty for not taking and copying those recordings. I feel so sorry up till now. I think you understand that my interview with Mutalibov was the result of those video recordings and my conversations with Chingiz”, Mazalova said.

To the remark of the reporter of ARMENPRESS that incumbent president of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev used the public platform of Munich Security Conference on February 15 to deny the words of Mutalibov, Mazalova emphasized, “I will put this way. We know that Turkey denies the Armenian Genocide up till now”.

 

One month after the Khojaly tragedy Azerbaijani president Ayaz Mutalibov was interviewed by Czech reporter Dana Mazalova.
– What would you say about the Khojaly events, after which you resigned? At the time, bodies of people from Khojaly were discovered not far from Aghdam. Someone had shot them in the legs beforehand to prevent them from running away. Afterwards they were axed. On February 29th my colleagues filmed them. When we next filmed on March 2 these corpses had been scalped. What kind of strange game was that?

– As the rescued residents of Khojaly say, all that was organized to create grounds for my resignation. I don’t think that the Armenians, who had manifested a clear and knowledgeable approach to such situations, would have allowed Azerbaijanis to obtain evidence that tied them to fascist acts. If I declare that it was the fault of the Azerbaijani opposition I could be blamed for slander. But the overall picture of the conclusions is as follows: the Armenians had, in any case, provided a corridor to let the civilians escape. Why then would they shoot? As soon as Khojaly was surrounded by tanks it was necessary to immediately lead the civilians out. Earlier I had given similar orders regarding Shushi – to evacuate women and children and to leave only men in the city. It’s one of the laws of war – civilians must be rescued. My conduct was appropriate and unambiguous – I gave such orders, but why they weren’t followed in Khojaly is not clear to me.

Photo from “Novoe Vremya”

Edited and translated by Tigran Sirekanyan

 

 

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Posted 20 February 2020 - 09:01 AM

News.am, Armenia
Feb 19 2020
 
 
Ex-Ombudswoman: Armenia PM had to respond to Azerbaijan President's statements
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What is troubling is the fact that during the discussion in Munich, Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan didn’t respond to President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev’s statement that Armenians need to try to become self-determined in another territory. This is what First Ombudswoman of Armenia, human rights activist Larisa Alaverdyan told reporters today.

According to her, Aliyev de facto presented the genocide perpetrated against his own people as a counterbalance to the Sumgait pogroms, and there was no response to this either. “Azerbaijan is the only country that acknowledges the scenario of the development of the events in Khojalu, while representatives of the international community recognize the massacres of Sumgait, Maraga and Baku,” Alaverdyan stated, adding that Armenia, as a state, needs to recognize the Sumgait pogroms against the Armenians as genocide.

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Posted 20 February 2020 - 09:05 AM

Panorama, Armenia
Feb 19 2020
 
 
Expert comments on Munich debate between Armenian, Azerbaijani leaders

Armenian expert in Azerbaijani studies Taron Hovhannisyan commented on the outcomes of Saturday’s public debate between Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev in Munich.

The expert stated the Azerbaijani president had attended the discussion without having a clear agenda.

“He came for a show, which proves that Azerbaijan is not ready to resolve the conflict,” he said.

In Hovhannisyan’s words, Aliyev spoke of a key norm of the international law – the right to self-determination – with contempt, advising Armenians to “find other places on earth to self-determine themselves for the second time, not in Azerbaijan.”

"Aliyev confirmed their demands that they need Karabakh without Armenians, or rather the whole region without Armenians," the expert noted, adding that Azerbaijan is not ready to be confined to any territory and has further-reaching plans related to Zangezur.

Taron Hovhannisyan stressed the importance of removing the term "territories" from the Karabakh peace process and hailed the prime minister's attempt to classify the conflict as a matter of security, which had been done before as well.

According to the expert, it is crucial to show Azerbaijan’s destructive policy during events similar to the Munich debate, but the Armenian side failed to do it.

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Posted 21 February 2020 - 10:17 AM

News.am, Armenia
Feb 20 2020
 
 
Political scientist: Armenia PM was unprepared for meeting with Azerbaijan President
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Political scientist Gagik Hambaryan today told reporters that Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan was absolutely unprepared for the meeting with President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev and failed to show resistance to the latter’s attacks.

According to him, the Armenian side was lucky that Aliyev was also unprepared (Aliyev didn’t notice that Pashinyan stated the wrong name of a newspaper that had published the famous interview with Ayaz Mutalibov). Hambaryan noted that Pashinyan, in his turn, could have corrected Aliyev when he declared that 300,000 Azerbaijanis lived in Armenia, while there were only 180,000. “If the Armenian authorities continue to leave such statements unanswered, in the future, people might say there have never been Armenians in Armenia at all. Overall, instead of stating historical facts, Pashinyan could have made a reference to the document that Heydar Aliyev signed and that stated the three sides of the negotiations, including Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

What is also surprising is the fact that the Prime Minister failed to respond to Aliyev’s statement that the Armenians organized the ethnic cleansing of the population of Azerbaijan and didn’t state the massacres of Armenians in Baku and Sumgait and the murder of Gurgen Margaryan, as well as the crimes that Azerbaijani soldiers committed during the military escalation in April 2016. In addition, Pashinyan could have explained to Aliyev that a people can’t seize the territory on which it lives, by referring to the people of Karabakh,” the political scientist added.

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Posted 21 February 2020 - 05:17 PM

Pashinian was not prepared that is out of question, however, the innocent mistake that he made about the name of the newspaper (Nezavisimaya Gazeta instead of Argument i fakti) have played to his advantage because Aliev as "foxy" as he is started with his rampage about how the whole crew of Argumenti i fakti is composed of Armenians. I'm sure this guy checks his bed before he goes to bed for suspicious Armenians. As to the number of Azeris living in Armenia before the war - the number is quite well known at 180 000. Pashinian should have reacted and should have stressed that their emigration out of the country was peaceful and under police control and no Azeri was harmed who decided to leave the country. The third mistake in my view was mentioning Tigran the Great in the context of Azerbaijan. Not Tigran the Great, but the first Armenian cognac made in Armenia was older by 30 years from the time when Azerbaijan first entered the pages of human history.



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Posted 22 February 2020 - 11:04 AM

JAM News
Feb 21 2020
 
 
Armenian PM: Karabakh can’t give up territories to Azerbaijan and sacrifice security
JAMnews, Yerevan
February 21, 2020

Pashinyan shared his take on his recent public discussion with Azerbaijani President Aliyev, deaths in the army and the upcoming referendum

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Armenian PM Nikol Pashinyan says Nagorno Karabakh cannot risk giving up surrounding territories to Azerbaijan and jeopardize its security.

Pashinyan made the comment while live on TV, and touched on a number of other issues, including deaths in the Armenian military in peacetime conditions and the referendum on constitutional amendments.

• How to solve the Karabakh conflict? Armenian PM, Azerbaijani president meet, discuss in public

• 3 years since the Karabakh April War: what has it changed?

Karabakh – “there is no question of territories – there is a question of security”

Pashinyan called the recent meeting with Ilham Aliyev at the Munich Security Conference on February 15 a turning point. He also said that since May 2018, Azerbaijan has been trying to convince the international community that Armenia has taken a destructive position on Karabakh, in response to the PM’s insistence that the Karabakh side be represented in the negotiation process.

“Our conversation very clearly showed to the international community that Armenia takes a constructive position on the Karabakh issue, and Azerbaijan takes a destructive one, approaching racism,” the Armenian Prime Minister noted.

He said that a new approach to the Karabakh issue is being developed, which he conditionally called the “Munich principles.”

“I stated and will repeat it again: Karabakh cannot give up its security… We never said that we were ready to cede territories.  The defense army controls them not for pleasure, but because there was no other possibility.”

Deaths in the Armenian military

Pashinyan said the presence of a criminal subculture among employees in the army is one of the reasons for the frequent cases of military deaths in peace conditions,

 “Since the fight against the criminal subculture was not conducted on the scale on which I instructed, two responsible persons were dismissed from their posts.”

This topic has become one of the most discussed in society, because 13 people have already died in the first month and a half of 2020.

Speaking about the resignations, Pashinyan had in mind the head of the Military Police Arthur Baghdasaryan and the head of the department of moral and psychological support (“chief political officer”) Aleksan Aleksanyan.

Constitutional referendum

Armenia is going to the polls on April 5 to decide the fate of the current composition of the Constitutional Court. Campaigns for and against have already been launched, and citizens of the country will decide whether or not to terminate the powers of six judges and the head of the Constitutional Court, who took office under the previous government.

• Armenia: the battle for the Constitutional Court. Video

According to the prime minister, distrust has developed over the Constitutional Court in Armenia over many years, and the model that his team offers will help restore confidence:

What is the difference between the former and the current model?  It is, in particular, that in the previous model candidates for the position of members of the Constitutional Court were nominated by the President of Armenia or the chairman of the National Assembly and he was elected by the parliament.  According to the new model, three candidates for judges of the Constitutional Court are nominated by the president, government and the General Assembly of Judges … While previously members of the Constitutional Court were elected for life, now it is clearly stated that their term of office is 12 years, and the same person cannot be a member of the Constitutional Court more than once.”

https://jam-news.net...ifice-security/



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Posted 22 February 2020 - 11:12 AM

Aliyev supposedly guarantees autonomy and safety to Artsakh and yet not even materials are safe is their rotten land!

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Feb 21 2020
 
 
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Politics 11:40 21/02/2020Region
Azerbaijan’s customs officers destroy Armenian souvenirs, cigarettes, alcoholic drinks

The relevant structures of the State Customs Committee of Azerbaijan destroyed "prohibited items" on Thursday, Azerbaijani media reported.

According to the reports, a total of 263,029 pyrotechnic units, 47,322 pharmaceutical products of various names, 59 mobile phones and accessories, 5,077 liters of alcoholic drinks and 4,742 bottles of soft drinks, 5,255 kg of food and non-food products, 3,070 kg of washing agents and 2,167 kg of household items were destroyed by the country’s customs officers.

The destroyed products also included 324 souvenirs, 40 packs of cigarettes and 18 liters of various alcoholic drinks made in Armenia, due to which the goods were eliminated in the presence of media representatives and by a court ruling. 

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Posted 22 February 2020 - 04:38 PM

We should continue to pretend that we believe we can have some kind of peace with these animals. 






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