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#1 America-Hye

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Posted 20 March 2004 - 12:53 PM

What is the No. 1 commandment? "THOU SHALL NOT KILL." The conservative establishment does not follow this commandment. Only 41 of the Armenian deputies voted to ban smoking in public places. The food in Armenia is filled with toxic substances that cause cancer.

In the US the filthy Republicans pass laws that allow business to produce cancer causing foodstuffs and assist tobacco companies to induce children to smoke cigarettes.

Both these governments encourage their constituents to murder homosexuals and bisexuals with full encouragement from the religious authorities. These folks are false Christians, not at alll following the precepts of Christ.

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Posted 20 March 2004 - 05:42 PM

This has nothing to do with Christianity! It's the tobacco companies owned by "capitalist america" that should be held responsible.
It's the same in armenia now, with money, u can get way with anything, even imposing people with toxic substances that cause cancer!

Blame the tobacco companies instead, that has found armenia to invest in as it is an easy target(a relatively poor country), getting young people addicted to smoking,with adds and commercials.

(and mind u, not only in christian countries is cigarretes and smoking an industry but in many islamic countries as well. )

Edited by koko, 21 March 2004 - 09:04 AM.


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Posted 22 March 2004 - 01:53 AM

QUOTE (America-Hye @ Mar 20 2004, 12:53 PM)
What is the No. 1 commandment? "THOU SHALL NOT KILL." The conservative establishment does not follow this commandment. Only 41 of the Armenian deputies voted to ban smoking in public places. The food in Armenia is filled with toxic substances that cause cancer.

In the US the filthy Republicans pass laws that allow business to produce cancer causing foodstuffs and assist tobacco companies to induce children to smoke cigarettes.

Both these governments encourage their constituents to murder homosexuals and bisexuals with full encouragement from the religious authorities. These folks are false Christians, not at alll following the precepts of Christ.

would you happen to have maybe some journal articels which roof your point, and point the fingers?? cause its very condemning post, with no backup.. lol.. i understand our concern though.. but you must realize who your pointing fingers at.. and i wanna see why smile.gif

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 02:00 AM

It is quite obvious who I am pointing my fingers at, the majority of the members of the Armenian legislature, the Republican (and some Democrat) members of the US Congress who support the tobacco and food conglomerates in the US, as well as, the conservative religious persons both in the US and Armenia who encourage the murdering of homosexuals and bisexuals.

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 02:04 AM

QUOTE (America-Hye @ Mar 22 2004, 02:00 AM)
It is quite obvious who I am pointing my fingers at, the majority of the members of the Armenian legislature, the Republican (and some Democrat) members of the US Congress who support the tobacco and food conglomerates in the US, as well as, the conservative religious persons both in the US and Armenia who encourage the murdering of homosexuals and bisexuals.

you musta missed the part where i ask for "why" you say so.. and blame who you do.. im not saying your wrong or right.. or am i even debating yet, i just dont see how we can just say so with such certainty and displeasur in the system without knowing why. so please enlighten me

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 02:12 AM

I have seen the ravages of cancer in my family. I believe in the true teachings of Christ.

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 02:33 AM

QUOTE (America-Hye @ Mar 22 2004, 02:12 AM)
I have seen the ravages of cancer in my family. I believe in the true teachings of Christ.

i agree with that, but how do we tie cancer to the food allowed or not allowed by a nations laws?? well smokingis obviously cancerous, and its not anyone fault that they smoke except the smoker him/herself.. for everyone that smokes and says, well it the society that pushes me to, then they have just as many people who dont smoke and then whats the excuse..

but the food.. i dont understand.. and ofcourse, the true teachings of christ, not people who call themselves chritians.. its very very easy to find them out of the crowd.. smile.gif

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 10:16 PM

Apparently Killing kids and brainwashing adults is the way to make some cash.

and i believe that is what america is all about? making cash.

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Posted 23 March 2004 - 02:06 AM

QUOTE (America-Hye @ Mar 20 2004, 12:53 PM)
What is the No. 1 commandment? "THOU SHALL NOT KILL." The conservative establishment does not follow this commandment. Only 41 of the Armenian deputies voted to ban smoking in public places. The food in Armenia is filled with toxic substances that cause cancer.

In the US the filthy Republicans pass laws that allow business to produce cancer causing foodstuffs and assist tobacco companies to induce children to smoke cigarettes.

Both these governments encourage their constituents to murder homosexuals and bisexuals with full encouragement from the religious authorities. These folks are false Christians, not at alll following the precepts of Christ.

Gee, maybe you're solution would have us turn into a theocracy or socialism?

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Posted 23 March 2004 - 10:44 AM

What do you think Armenia is today? When a scientific association's Yerevan' offices are confiscated by the governemnt so that it can be demolished to provide a site for a downtown residence for Karerkin II, that is indicative of a theocracy. The Armenian Church has too much power in Armenia.

As for the US, Bush is working very hard to create a theocracy in America, where the government will finance religious endeavors. The men who created the US constitution are probably turning in their graves. Bush doesn't care, he is hellbent on turning America into a fundamentalist's paradise.

Business must be socially conscious. It is not socialism to hold business' feet to the fire. They can still make profit without endangering the lives of the citizenry. In Armenia the insiders are having a field day at the expense of the majority. The food chain must be cleansed of toxic substances.

In the US, business interests have Bush's ear. They put him in ofice and he will do nothing to curtail their activities, even if they are poisoning the public.

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Posted 23 March 2004 - 11:18 AM

Wow, you have all the answers to everything. So profound.

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Posted 23 March 2004 - 02:29 PM

QUOTE (America-Hye @ Mar 23 2004, 10:44 AM)
What do you think Armenia is today? When a scientific association's Yerevan' offices are confiscated by the governemnt so that it can be demolished to provide a site for a downtown residence for Karerkin II, that is indicative of a theocracy. The Armenian Church has too much power in Armenia.

As for the US, Bush is working very hard to create a theocracy in America, where the government will finance religious endeavors. The men who created the US constitution are probably turning in their graves. Bush doesn't care, he is hellbent on turning America into a fundamentalist's paradise.

Business must be socially conscious. It is not socialism to hold business' feet to the fire. They can still make profit without endangering the lives of the citizenry. In Armenia the insiders are having a field day at the expense of the majority. The food chain must be cleansed of toxic substances.

In the US, business interests have Bush's ear. They put him in ofice and he will do nothing to curtail their activities, even if they are poisoning the public.

list a few relevat thins that bush has done that has made you hate him so much.. lol

no no,, i mean list a few things that will proov bush is trying to make america a theocratic nation.. or how is it that bush is changing the constitution>? and yeah i bet the writers are turning in there graves... thining. GO BUSH GO BUSH GO BUSH !!! lmao.. ok ok.. serouse though.. tell me. pou still have NOOOOOOOO backup for your accusations...

#13 gurgen

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Posted 24 March 2004 - 10:13 AM

Well, Bush was the first president who was appointed instead of voted wink.gif

Edited by gurgen, 24 March 2004 - 10:13 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2005 - 11:28 AM

Is the government entirely to blame? Doesn't the individual have some blame for doing the actual smoking?

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (onnig @ Dec 20 2005, 11:28 AM)
Is the government entirely to blame? Doesn't the individual have some blame for doing the actual smoking?


Smoking is an addiction. The nicotine is a substance that creates this addiction. Addictions are very difficult to break. Why are there not laws to curtail the operations of those who induce teenagers to smoke?

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (phantom22 @ Dec 20 2005, 12:45 PM)
Smoking is an addiction. The nicotine is a substance that creates this addiction. Addictions are very difficult to break. Why are there not laws to curtail the operations of those who induce teenagers to smoke?


So teenagers cannot be accountable because of what, because they're teenagers?

Here's my problem, if the tobacco companies advertise that smoking is NOT bad for you then yes, they are liable; but advertising a tobacco product for flavor, consistency, aroma, etc is not criminal and neither should the tobacco company be fined for that or be blamed for countless millions affected by tobacco smoking. The surgeon general has required all tobacco ads have the cancer warning label, yet people are STILL SMOKING, and there are a huge number of new smokers every year. Blame the tobacco companies? No, it goes beyond that, to the actual people smoking. It is their fault they have ignored such clear warnings.

Our family has lost several people to cancer last year but I'm not going to be embittered toward the tobacco companies. Nobody forced them to smoke.

If we go by the logic of addiction then we must outlaw many other products; pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etc. Some people even state that they are addicted to porn, food (overeating). So where do we draw the line?

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Posted 20 December 2005 - 01:34 PM

The warnings are often ignored, as they are small and inconspicuous. The ads, however, are large and designed to "catch" impressionable teenagers, who will then be often hooked for life.

On another note, if people want to kill themselves by smoking, that is fine with me as long as they lock themselves up solo and away from society. Any second-hand smoke that they produce is detrimental to others. They should be prosecuted for murder if the pass second-hand smoke to others.


QUOTE (onnig @ Dec 20 2005, 01:27 PM)
So teenagers cannot be accountable because of what, because they're teenagers?

Here's my problem, if the tobacco companies advertise that smoking is NOT bad for you then yes, they are liable; but advertising a tobacco product for flavor, consistency, aroma, etc is not criminal and neither should the tobacco company be fined for that or be blamed for countless millions affected by tobacco smoking. The surgeon general has required all tobacco ads have the cancer warning label, yet people are STILL SMOKING, and there are a huge number of new smokers every year. Blame the tobacco companies? No, it goes beyond that, to the actual people smoking. It is their fault they have ignored such clear warnings.

Our family has lost several people to cancer last year but I'm not going to be embittered toward the tobacco companies. Nobody forced them to smoke.

If we go by the logic of addiction then we must outlaw many other products; pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etc. Some people even state that they are addicted to porn, food (overeating). So where do we draw the line?


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Posted 23 December 2005 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE (phantom22 @ Dec 20 2005, 01:34 PM)
The warnings are often ignored, as they are small and inconspicuous. The ads, however, are large and designed to "catch" impressionable teenagers, who will then be often hooked for life.

On another note, if people want to kill themselves by smoking, that is fine with me as long as they lock themselves up solo and away from society. Any second-hand smoke that they produce is detrimental to others. They should be prosecuted for murder if the pass second-hand smoke to others.



Prosecuted for murder? Now its getting silly.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE (onnig @ Dec 23 2005, 12:48 PM)
Prosecuted for murder? Now its getting silly.


Onnig,

You are either part of the establishment or have been brainwashed. A central precept of legal precedent in the US is "You do not have the right to falsely yell "FIRE" in a crowded theatre." You have the right to do whatever if it does not negatively affect the rights or well-being of others. Given the proven death rates of individuals subjected to second-hand smoke smokers are murderers if their spouses come down with lung cancer.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (phantom22 @ Dec 23 2005, 12:56 PM)
Onnig,

You are either part of the establishment or have been brainwashed. A central precept of legal precedent in the US is "You do not have the right to falsely yell "FIRE" in a crowded theatre." You have the right to do whatever if it does not negatively affect the rights or well-being of others. Given the proven death rates of individuals subjected to second-hand smoke smokers are murderers if their spouses come down with lung cancer.



Here we go....

I don't own any stock or work for any tobacco companies, blah blah blah blah. The only brainwashing here is the good kind because I can see through personal tragedy and still perceive the truth by objective reasoning and not personal experiences so my brain has been washed from that kind of clouded sight. Read my earlier posts on how my non-immediate family has been affected by smoking since I believe there might be a lapse in your short-term memory. OK, so, I have made clear that there is no bias or partiality toward tobacco companies; now let's press onto the real issue.

You mentioned a "precedent" and yet you have not stated one court case to that fact. I have not seen one smoker being arrested for murder, yet. Therefore you either are misinformed as to the current law, or are confused as to the term "precedent", or just plainly don't know what the heck you're talking about. I think all three are the case.

Second hand smoke does NOT kill 100% of the people 100% of the time. If it did then every death today would be related to second hand smoke. It sounds like an absurd fact to point out since common knowledge points to this reality but I think I must state these ridiculous facts since the accusation is itself ridiculous: "They (smokers) should be prosecuted for murder if they pass second-hand smoke to others."

There are certain things today that should be considered murder but that's for another time on another thread.

Conclusion: Phantom22, look at the facts, not the fluff.

Edited by onnig, 23 December 2005 - 01:27 PM.





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