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It depends on how WE act. If we're effective enough to persuade the U.S., they may change their mind. Americans are never fixed on something as if it is the ultimate truth.
Armen, persuade her with what? Using Armenia as a Turkish, Israeli, and American military satellite, so, that they can further isolate Russia? Like I stated earlier, in the long run it would be more beneficial for Armenia to have good relations with Russia as opposed to America.
In fact the recent drift between America and France, makes sticking to Russia a safer bet in that through Russian they may one day join the EU, but sticking to a nation that directly supports you're rival is just suicide.
However, I am not blaming Americans and or stating that what they are doing is wrong because supporting Turkey is a good geopolitically investment, but morally, it is a bad decision.
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Well, before I knew it I was some sort of Islam blasting, turkey loving, Israel adoring, Armenian traitor. With the exception of turkey loving , it's Vigil himself that somehow thinks everyone is against him. Even if you don't say anything, he'll find words to put in your mouth.
Seaphan, I just do not like the way you buy into this entire propaganda of how the Iraqi opposition is a terrorist group. If Turkish soldiers and tanks occupied Armenia, I am sure; you would be singing a different tune. Their is no reason why America has stationed itself in Iraq and is "rebuilding" Iraq by signing contracts with American construction firms when the only reason Iraq needs “rebuilding” is because of American bombs. To you they may be terrorists, but to the Iraqis they are a liberation front. Like to us Monte was a “freedom fighter” and to the rest of the world he was a known terrorist. I just want you to be consistent with you’re views, that is all.
In no way am I "supporting" terrorism, however, to solely blame the actions on the Armenians is wrong because of the fact that Armenians have been living in some Islamic nations with no problems. However, to blame everything on Islam and or call it an "evil" religion is, equally, wrong and no different then radical Muslims labeling Christianity with a “evil” co-notation.
The bottom line is that when you ever you approach a problem with "aggression" you will always be confronted with "aggression". The American foreign policy is “aggressive” and Imperialistic. If Americans want terrorism to stop they must stop providing weapons to Israel and Turkey. Furthermore, they must stop meddling in the affairs of other nations. In no way does America have the moral justification to invade any country and like John Kerry implied, Americans should first decide if their actions are on the side of God before they assume that they are indeed doing “Gods work” because we all know that a true Christian will never succumb to blackmail.
Arabs are not stupid and know that all the weapons used against them were supplied by the Americans. If America wants "world peace" it should stop selling arms to feuding countries. In fact it should stop selling arms period, but because the bombs are not dropped on Washington D.C., it finds it "ok". Furthermore, it should have a more "universal" foreign policy instead of putting her thumb on nations that may not see, eye to eye, with her.
So, when one of these "arms" is used against her, she should have seen it coming. The only problem is that now, Israel, has made this into a war on Islam instead of Terror. They have successfully connected their regional problems to that of Americas.
In short, I just find it strange that these "terrorist" do not attack Russia, China, and the rest of world, but solely "terrorize" America, Israel, and Turkey. Now, Armenians are being used as a tool to justify America’s aggression and at the same time the Iraqi opposition is using them as a way of “protesting”.
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Having energy and determination is one thing, having it at the right place is another.
Domino, I have my "energy and determination" in the right place, so, quit trying to assume I am wrong. America will never accept Armenia as a geopolitical ally and if they do it will be on their terms, which means it will be under the terms and jurisdiction of their allies, including, Turkey, Israel, and Azerbaijan.
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Vigil, why you need anybody to help you? Are you handicaped or what?
Listen, Gamavor, I will take the above comment with a grain of salt, however, be warned, tone it down a bit because I am not insulting you and or you're friends. In fact you have supported me in the past and I respect you. In fact I respect everyone on these forums, but because I am not quickly influenced by "propaganda" and or the "media", you look at me with a negative co-notation
No, I do not need anyone’s help and I am only referring to geopolitical relations and yes, Armenia needs geopolitical allies because at this point if it was not for the fact that the EU, Iran, and Russia see Armenia as a counter weight to American, Turkish, and Israeli influence in the region, Armenia, would have become Turkey's "vets". The only force stopping Armenia from being silenced on the world stage is the fact that Russia still views Armenia as that last offensive front against American and Turkish influence in that region.
However, once Armenia does settle its international inquiries with Turkey and Azerbaijan, it should push for a neutral foreign policy like Switzerland. Neutrality is the key to success on the world stage.
Seaphan and the rest, this will be my last post on this thread. I just hope that Armenians are not stupid enough to further isolate Armenia from the rest of the world because by declarings it's own war against Islam they will further the rift between the rest of the world and the last time I checked the "rest of the world" does not only include America.
Edited by Vigil, 03 August 2004 - 02:02 AM.
