URARTIAN?
Is it URARTU, ARARTU or ARARTA, URARAT, URURUT or ARARAT?
ՈՒՐԱՐՏՈՒ, ԱՐԱՐՏՈՒ or ԱՐԱՐՏԱ, ՈՒՐԱՐԱՏ, ՈՒՐՈՒՐՏՈՒ, or ԱՐԱՐԱՏ ??
How do we know?
Who says how we read and spell The Urartian language?
It is well known that Urartian script is not IndoEuropean, it is more like Semitic, as the Assyrian, Aramaic, Arabic and Hebrew. It is also no secret that none of the above have enough vowels. Arabic has only three of them Aleph=A, Wow=O/OU and Ya=I/EE. Of course the Aleph is commonly pronounced as A as in “bad” and the Wow is pronounced as V by those who, like the Persians and Turks who cannot produce the W sound. In the Arabic the sounds of the vowels are left to diacritical marks over or under the Alef, or any letter for that. Those diacritical marks are displayed in kindergarten Arabic, consequently they are omitted trusting the reader knows which mark it is. Is Fat-ha, as in short A, Kasra as in short I or Dammeh as in short O/OU?
Having said that, having established that Urartian is rather more like Semitic script, who decides whether it Urartian, Ururtian or Arartian/Araratian?
Why do we call our Homeland the Araratian Highlands, yet we call our predecessors Urartians. The Bible refers to our lands as Ararat. Is it because they had heard the “urartians” call themselves so? Or, is it that Hebrew being one of those deficient Semitic scripts, once again fooled us by substituting A with OU and visa versa?
I had been working on this piece even before qristian wrote the following here
http://hyeforum.com/...mp;#entry174378
URARTU IS THE SAME AS ARARAT IN ASSIRIAN, WHICH HAS BEEN ENTERED VERY SKILLFULY BY "OUR JEWISH FRIENDS" INTO ALREADY OUR (YOUR) SUBCONCIOUS AND VOCABULARY. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS URARTU, IT IS ARARAT!!!
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http://hyeforum.com/...=1644&hl=arartu
I fail to see it except that the Armenian "dz" is transcribed as "z" in Turkish as the latter language does not have the sounds of "dz" and "tz". Could it be "dzounkin tak" (under the knee)? Perhaps our friend would be so kind to explain.
Many Armenian words and names of landmarks have been Turkicized. Some still recognizable. The most celebrated of them is so obvious that it amazes me no one has yet publicized it. Many a historian etymologist have fallen flat on their faces in an attempt to explain the origin of the modern name of the sacred mountain of the Armenians. Ararat is obviously a variation on Arartu/Urartu. Masis is well documented, yet Agri Dag defies all. Most take it at its face value to mean "pain", others try to find the meaning of "white/ag". The landmark has witnessed much pain in the past as it still does today yet it still makes no sense. It is so obvious that it derives its name from an Armenian town which even though devastated numerous times by both natural and manmade disasters, the latest of which a powerful earthquake in 1840, still bares witness to its Christian Armenian heritage. The town of Agori/Aghori at the foot of Mt. Ararat, long abandoned, still displays vast fields of Khachkars and other Armenian scripture even today. The Mountain was named for the town and district of Agori, if slightly altered and corrupted.
It is not Agri Dag, it is Agori Ler. Another mountain that has sufferd a similar fat is Musa Ler. It does not mean the Mountain of Moses, as Moses had no interest or access to it, it means the mountain of "musas", i.e. muse and it is Armenian in origin as many a budding poet would climb up to find inspiration from the muses that inhabited in those summits. Abovian climbed Masis in similar quest and was severely persecuted for having desacrated our Sacred Mountain.
Observe the hieroglyphic inscriptions below that are still displayed at the ruins of Erebuni fortress.
http://www.tacentral...buni/urartu.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urartu
Urartu
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Urartu at its greatest extent in the time of Sarduris II,
Urartu (Biainili in Urartian) was an ancient kingdom in eastern Anatolia, centered in the mountainous region around Lake Van (present-day Turkey), which existed from about 1000 BC, or earlier, until 585 BC. The name may correspond to the Biblical Ararat.
Urartu was often called The Kingdom of Ararat in many ancient manuscripts and holy writings of different nations. It was believed to be the site of the Tree of Life and was sought after by various kings in that era.
The reason for uncertainty in the names (i.e. Urartu and Ararat) is due to variations in sources. In fact, the written languages at that time employed only consonants and not vowels. So the word itself in various contemporary sources is "RRT", which could be either Ararat, or Urartu, or Uruarti and so on.
The Kingdom included three main tribal groups living within its territory: Nairi, Hay and Armen. The tribal groups living near Lake Van and, in fact, in and around the capital Touchpa (Tushpa) were called "Nairi" (indicating they had fair hair and eyes). The groups to the West in central Anatolia where known as "Armens". The tribal groups to the East-North where referred to as "Hay".
The Kingdom was known as Armenia to the Greeks living in Western Anatolia, possibly due to that fact the contacts they had with Urartu, were through the people calling themselves Armens, or Armenians. So to Greece, and thereafter to the Roman Empire, the country was known as the land of Armens – Armenia.
In the beginning of the 6th century, The Urartian Kingdom fell under pressure from Assyria to the South and nomad attacks from the North, North-West. Although weakend by incursions, the South-Eastern parts where Hays lived remained unmolested. The Hay took over the rule of that part of Urartu’s territory, remained a viable political entity and regained strength under their own name of “the land of Hays” – Hayq, Hayastan. The western territory remained under the control of the Armens, and was known as Armenia, the name by which it came to be known to the rest of the world.
The aforementioned three main tribal groups had similar languages, cultures, and ethnic origins. These similarities enabled Urartian and early Armenian kings to keep their territory intact and facilitated efforts made to expand their holdings. The kingdom grew in size thereafter and eventually divided into two main parts: Greater Armenia and Lesser Armenia.
At its apogee, Urartu stretched from northern Mesopotamia through the southern Caucasus, including parts of present-day Armenia up to Lake Sevan. Archaeological sites within its boundaries include Altintepe, Toprakkale, Patnos and Cavustepe. Urartu fortresses are found in Van, Armavir, Erebuni (present day Yerevan city), Anzaf, Cavustepe and Başkale, as well as Argishtiqinili, Karmir Blour and others.
Observe the Urartuan hieroglyphics;
http://www.simatours...um.html#erebuni

http://www.armeniant...an-alphabet.jpg
Damnit! Curses! Anetsq!Անէծք!! Drat! And Double Drat!! Why can’t I find a site showing the relation or not between the Urartian and Armenia alphabet??!!

Edited by Arpa, 16 July 2006 - 06:59 PM.