Ossetians and Alans
#1 Guest__*
Posted 06 December 2000 - 10:21 PM
Alans are related to these Ossetians. They are also Iranian speaking but moved into Western Europe at an early date. They mixed with Germans and Huns. They eventually settled in Spain where they later formed a union with Germanic Gothic peoples. Thus, Catalan is from this union--"Goth + Alan=Catalan." Many Spaniards have Celtic, Germanic, Iranian (Alan) as well as Arab (Moorish) blood.
The earliest people of Kazakhstan and southern Russia (Scythians and Wu-sun tribes) were said to be related to Alans and also Iranian speaking. For millenium, Turkic people have been expanding at the expense of Iranian people, language, culture and genes. They have usurped something that was not theirs originally.
#2 Guest__*
Posted 06 December 2000 - 11:22 PM
I think you need to post this kind of posts on Artur's Caucasus forum but not here.
#3 Guest__*
Posted 07 December 2000 - 09:32 AM
Originally posted by Hakob:
The Ossetians are an Iranian-speaking Christian people living somewhere up there in the Caucasus mountains. Where they the original people inhabiting Azerbaijan before Seljuks?
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iteresting posts.
No the Alanians/Oessetians were not the original inhabitant of Azerbaijan.
The real Azerbaijan in Iran are of Median Origine, but in Aran (rep of Azerbaijan) was a mixture of Caucasian people (Lezgin, Tsaxur and Udi's) and Iranian people in the ancient time, dyrring the time the Iranian languges were more dominant over Lezgin etc... but these were West Iranian languages, like Persian, Tat and Talysh,While Ossetians/Alanians speak an East Iranian Languge. The Alanians came from North and settled down in Caucasus, and now they are called Ossetians, which is a Georgian designation, rep. north Ossetia calls himself Alania, in the Russian frderation.
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Posted 07 December 2000 - 09:44 AM
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#5 Guest__*
Posted 07 December 2000 - 04:55 PM
#6 Guest__*
Posted 07 December 2000 - 06:30 PM
It is in the spirit that Hakob is a leader-type, pretty much like MJ could be - and is doing this well!
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Posted 07 December 2000 - 09:09 PM
#8 Guest__*
Posted 07 December 2000 - 09:28 PM
this is HyeForum and I want to see here Armenia(ns) related postings.
As I said you can find other forums where more people are interested in this kind of topics. We all have our interests but lets keep this forum just for our Armenia(ns) related topics.
#9 Guest__*
Posted 08 December 2000 - 12:48 PM
www.CaucasusOnline.net
Chat, Forum, News, Music etc. Everything about Caucasians including Ossetians. :)
#10 Guest__*
Posted 08 December 2000 - 06:36 AM
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#11 Guest__*
Posted 08 December 2000 - 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Kazza:
Arturjan go tell those girls to put some clothes on!!! The ones on your website
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Kazza, do you want i'll close that website. They are shameful, i know. Especially those girls that already married and have kids and prick husband who allow them to take fotos.
#12 Guest__*
Posted 08 December 2000 - 02:57 PM
Artur, don't listen to her--put the scantily clad chicks back!
#13 Guest__*
Posted 08 December 2000 - 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Artur:
Kazza, do you want i'll close that website. They are shameful, i know. Especially those girls that already married and have kids and prick husband who allow them to take fotos.
Jan, jan, kidding! They beautiful, theyve got it, so why not? Only thing tell a few to tone it down a bit
Kazz
Have you seen the new Ali G video out yet?
#14 Guest__*
Posted 09 December 2000 - 01:54 AM
#15 Guest__*
Posted 09 December 2000 - 10:53 AM
Hakob, I just found out also in south caucasus there were tribes of the Scythians(Sakasen or as Movses Xorenatsy called them much later Shkashen) but.
* It is not sure that they were reltives of the East Iranian speaking scythians, maybe there were West Iranin speakin.
* These people were assimilated long before the Alans came to Caucasus
* It is a fact that the Alans who are ancestors of the Ossetians came from the North to settle down in Caucasus (in the 11th century , the Georgians say 17th century but 11th century is a fact)
Question to Hakob:
Are you sure that Catalan = Goth Alan, is there any chance that it be Celt Alan, or a variant of that Kelt Alan, Gall Alan etc...?
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#16 Guest__*
Posted 09 December 2000 - 02:57 PM
I heard that the Ossetians, Tat, Talysh and Kurds were all related speaking groups?
Yes, Catalan is the region of Iberia (Spain) founded and settled by Goths (Visigoths) and Alans. The Visigoths invaded Iberia and took it away from Romans. They also went on to take parts of North Africa (Morocco and Algeria). Of course, the Visigoths already found Spain to be inhabited by indigenous Basques (who might be related to Caucasus peoples?), Celts, Romans and Alans. They all intermarried. It is said that before Arabic-Moorish invasions, the Spaniards were a blond people.
#17 Guest__*
Posted 09 December 2000 - 03:54 PM
I've been stydying in Basque region of Spain, and been to the Basque region of France too, the Basque say that the Castilians and Catalans are influenced by the Arabs and they not, however there were no phisicall defferences between the basues and the people of northern spain, the basques are somehow lighter skinned but you can't say that they have a Nordic look, The fairskinned ones look like Georgians, Pamirians or the Mazandarani's in Iran. I have met a French Basque man, with beared who if I didn't know very well could have said he is a fundamentalist from Tehran, or Täbriz, The Basque have also Swastika which is an Iranian ssymbol, so maybe they have it from ythe Alans, people of Galicia region and Northern Portugal have Celtic genes and there are a lot of redheaded among them.
I have done also research wether the basques are related to the Georgians or the Caucasian people in General, the answer has been negative so far.
#18 Guest__*
Posted 09 December 2000 - 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Hakob:
Iranyar,
I heard that the Ossetians, Tat, Talysh and Kurds were all related speaking groups?
Tat, Talysh, Kurdish and Persian are West Iranian languages while Ossetians, Pamir languages, and also the ancient Soghdian, khorezmian and scythians are/were East Iranian languages.
#19 Guest__*
Posted 09 December 2000 - 05:52 PM
You know, I have seen pictures of the Pamiri peoples in China and Tajikistan (Yagnobi, etc.). They look just like the Kafiri (now Nuristan) peoples of Afghanistan. Many redheads, dirty blondes, blue eyes and green eyes. Did you know Arabs in 8th cent. forced people into Islam in Central Asia. Once method was quartering of Arab soldiers into occupied homes and occasionally rapes were used as intimidation methods. Was this true in Iran also? Oh, one Persian prince of the Sassanian dynasty had escaped to China away from the Arabs. There are some abandoned Zoroastrian temples in many parts of China. Turks don't realize it, but some of their ancestors were slaves of the Arabic caliphs. Some were forced into Islam and many were not.
#20 Guest__*
Posted 09 December 2000 - 05:55 PM
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