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[Sasun]

Being Armenian does not mean that one must stick to Armenians only. The only brothers and sisters are those who think alike, and don't care where do they come from.

That means the "only brothers and sisters" come out of an assembly line then.

Edited by Sasun, 21 September 2003 - 09:32 PM.

[Sasun]

I don't give a fine f...k if the so-and-so Armenian looks like Dolf Ludgren or Nicole Kidman, if they are a Arabo-Turkic lover, or a Commie, or an Anarchist, or a Socialist, by the Holy Communion of God, I would have no compunctions whatsoever to beat them senseless or to a pulp if the situation allows me to.

Beat them? What for? Or rather, who gave you the right to beat them?

[Teutonic Knight]

Beat them? What for? Or rather, who gave you the right to beat them?

Fine, execution by a firing squad it is!

Ironic you chose the name Sasun

Edited by Teutonic Knight, 21 September 2003 - 10:16 PM.

[America-Hye]

Teuton,

What you are is becoming increasingly clear!!!!

[AnoushBabyGirl1]

"Your psyche is very similar to the one of the all inclusive Zionists"

Zionists are not inclusive, they only bring in the Ethiopian and Russian Jews to Israel as human shields, the state of Israel is a racist ethnoccracy. Sorry, you can't blame this on the Jews.


I don't understand why any German person would come onto an Armenian website to talk about what Armenians are and need to do as a people, wtf. I have less in common with the German cavepeople than I do with Arabs or Jews, sorry. As far as neo-nazis supporting the Armenian cause, that is ridiculous, go onto any 'white nationalist' website and say that Armenians are white and they will tell you you are "biracial." They think that even Italians and Greeks are black, half of them probably don't even know what Armenia is .

[gamavor]

Funny! I prefer the "cavemen's" mechanical tools and cars, as well as lifestyle and clothing, and their superb banking system. I have to admit that I would rather have nice Mediterranean meal instead of frozen sausages with white wine and potato salad with strangely tasting mayonnaise, but all of the above are matter of preferences. Geographically we are closer to Arabs and Jews. Other than that I don't feel any particular similarities unless you have been born in the Middle East, or your religious believes are the ones like Armenian Hamshen or someone enlightened you about the self appointed 'chosen' people.

[AnoushBabyGirl1]

"Funny! I prefer the "cavemen's" mechanical tools and cars, as well as lifestyle and clothing, and their superb banking system."

Germans and Anglo-Saxons in general have bad taste in clothes, but you're right, they do make nice cars. As far as banking goes, that's something the Jews are very good at too, but I don't notice you giving them props.

"I have to admit that I would rather have nice Mediterranean meal instead of frozen sausages with white wine and potato salad with strangely tasting mayonnaise, but all of the above are matter of preferences."

They are cultural differences, but if you think that everything has to do with race then they must be racial too.

"Other than that I don't feel any particular similarities unless you have been born in the Middle East, or your religious believes are the ones like Armenian Hamshen or someone enlightened you about the self appointed 'chosen' people."

No, none of that, I just don't feel any similarities to Germans or Swedes or even the English at all. I don't feel very close to Jews or Arabs either, but I think our cultures have a little bit more in common. Which is not much, but like I said, I don't see any similarities between Armenian and most Northern/Western European cultures.

Edited by AnoushBabyGirl1, 26 November 2003 - 03:20 AM.

[Ata Donme]

[quote=gamavor,Sep 12 2003, 07:20 PM]
DO YOU KNOW...?

That there were 20 emperors of armenian origin
Here they are:
1. Morick Oshakanatsi (Mavrikiy) 582-602.
2. Vardan Pikick 711-713.
3. Artavazd - 742-743.
4. Levon (Lion the V) Artsruni - 813-830.
5. Barseg Arsha - kuni (Vasil the I - the founder of armenian Makedonian dinasty) - 867-886.
6. Levon Arshakuni (Lion the VI, philosopher) 886-912.
7. Alexander 912-913.
8. Kons tandin the VII Bagrianorodny 913-959.
9. Romanos Vashtakian (Roman the I) 919-949. Ruled with Konstandin the VII Bagrianororodny).
10. Romanos the II - 959-963.
11. Nikiphor the II Phoka (the Great) - 963-969.
12. Hovanes Chimishk (Ioan Tsimiskhy) 969-976.
13. Vasily the II Bulgaroboyts 976-1025.
14. Konstandin the VIII - 1025-1028.
15. Roman the III 1028-1034.
16. Mikhael Paflagon (Mikhael the IV) - 1034 1041.
17. Mikhael Kalapat (Mikhael the V) - 1041-1042.
18. Konstandin the IX Monomakh - 1042-1054.
19. Teodora the II (Phedora the II) empress - 1054-1056.
20. Mikhael Stratiotik (Mikhael the II) - 1056-1057.

This is a very valuable topic, easily ignored, but so pivotal in the shaping of the European and Middle Eastern future.

However I like to verify this list and add one you mislayed...

1. Morick Oshakanatsi (Mavrikiy) 582-602.

Also known as Maurice, he hailed from Cappadocia in central Anatolia.
He conducted deportations of Armenians to Thrakia (Bulgaria) jointly with the Persian Shah.

The one you mislayed, and perhaps the greatest...
Haig.
Also known as Heraklios/Heraclius.
His aristocratic family had been resettled in the region of Cathage (Tunisia) during the reconquest of north Africa in the reign of Emperor Justinian around 534 AD.
He was trully great yet a trully tragic person, learn more here.

2. Vardan Pikick 711-713.

Known also as Phillipikos Bardanes, he came to a bloddy end...

3. Artavazd - 742-743.

Known also as Artabasdes, most noted for his rebellion, 1 year reign as Emperor and restorer of Icons for worship

4. Levon (Lion the V) Artsruni - 813-830.

Known also as Leo, most notable for his Iconoclasm

5. Barseg Arsha - kuni (Vasil the I - the founder of armenian Makedonian dinasty) - 867-886.

Known also as Basilios, he came from the large Armenian diaspora in Thrakia (Bulgaria) he trekked to Contantinople, got employment as a stable boy, then showed of his strength by hurling the wrestling champion across the yard.
This event got him into the Imperial Court and his progress was swift.
Amoung his feats such as defeting the Bulgar Khanate and the Saracens, he also campaigned against the Paulicians and destroyed their stronghold, Tephrike.
Although he hailed from Thrakia, that region, in the process of administrative boundary changes was known as 'Makedonia'.

6. Levon Arshakuni (Lion the VI, philosopher) 886-912.

Known also as Leo VI, there is some doubt as to him being the son of Basil, most likely he was the son of the previous Emperor, Mikhail III, whom Basil had murdered.

7. Alexander 912-913.

Brother of Leo VI, an alcoholic, worshipped pagan statues to cure his impotence.

8. Kons tandin the VII Bagrianorodny 913-959.
9. Romanos Vashtakian (Roman the I) 919-949. Ruled with Konstandin the VII Bagrianororodny).

Son of Theophylaktos the Unbearable (!) he gave the Empire much needed stability, cared for the people, although they did not reurn the adoration.
He defeated the Russians and kept the Saracens at bay.

10. Romanos the II - 959-963.

During his reign Crete, then under Saracen rule, was recaptured, as was Cilicia.
Aleppo, which had been a base for raids into Anatolia, was captured and sacked.

11. Nikiphor the II Phoka (the Great) - 963-969.

Also known as Nikephorus Phakos, there is much controversy about his Armenian origins.
Though his brother was called Bardas, Vartan.
He was know as the White Death to the Saracens, and for good reason...

12. Hovanes Chimishk (Ioan Tsimiskhy) 969-976.

Also known as John Tzimisces, a charismatic man, and military genius.
He murdered Nikephorus.
He defeated the russians, captured eastern Bulgaria, captured Syria and was on the verge of taking Jerusalem.
It is said he was poisoned by the rich landowner and Eunuch, Basil Lekapenus, himself Armenian, fearing John would take his pwers from him and give the lands to the peasant soldiers.

13. Vasily the II Bulgaroboyts 976-1025.

Also known as Basil 'bulgaroktonos' (bulgar killer)
It was rumoured his father was a European mercenary soldier in the service of the Imperial Court, or more precisely, in the service of his mother...
Learn more here
14. Konstandin the VIII - 1025-1028.

The useless hedonist brother of Basil II

15. Roman the III 1028-1034.

Learned but never suited to the job of Emperor, his reign marked the begining of Byzantine military disasters.

In general, most of the suceeding emperors may well have had Armenian blood in them, but they would have considerd themselves as 'Romans' and would not have thought twice about campaigning against Armenians either in the homeland or in Cilicia.

[gamavor]

In general, most of the suceeding emperors may well have had Armenian blood in them, but they would have considerd themselves as 'Romans' and would not have thought twice about campaigning against Armenians either in the homeland or in Cilicia.

In general you are right. It is not 'may well have', but it is a historical fact that all of them were Armenians by origin. I never claimed that they were something else. They considered themselves Romans, because they were emperors of the Eastern Roman empire. Likewise, the Parthians that held the Armenian throne, considered themselves Armenians. Byzantium practically was as much as Greek as it was Armenian, however the Greeks had the leading role.

[gamavor]

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