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[nairi]

My brother keeps claiming that East Armenians only have a handful of children songs. This is why, he says, we mostly grew up with Yerevan-Yerebuni, Sardarapat and Zeytuntsiner. He recalls my parents looking for children songs in Armenia in the early 80s and hardly finding any. After a long search, my uncle finally came back with Ara Kekejian's compilation for children. A West Armenian.

Is this really true? What mankakan yerger do we have besides "tsapik tsapik tsirani" and "dnko-ko"?

[koko]

My brother keeps claiming that East Armenians only have a handful of children songs. This is why, he says, we mostly grew up with Yerevan-Yerebuni, Sardarapat and Zeytuntsiner. He recalls my parents looking for children songs in Armenia in the early 80s and hardly finding any. After a long search, my uncle finally came back with Ara Kekejian's compilation for children. A West Armenian.

Is this really true? What mankakan yerger do we have besides "tsapik tsapik tsirani" and "dnko-ko"?

there are quite many childrens armenian songs...

Arev arev, yek yek , is one very famous in wich i remember..

I belive that we have a very great amount of children songs written....
Not only by adults...but little children writing them...I have a few published in soviet armenia.

[Armen]

"Qerin ekav mer bake" (a pretty wierd song actually)
"Tsitsernak" (not sure if it is a kid song)

[nairi]

That's 3. With mine, that's makes 5. A handful exactly. Any more?

[Harut]

most children poems out there (there are many of them) have been turned into songs, if not by professonal composers, then by some kindergarten teachers for sure. my mother worked in a kindergarten for long time and had many children poems/songs books. i'll check out if she has brought any of them with her, when i go home.

[ExtraHye]

Pesika nester me mut ankunum was one of my favorite songs of all time. That's all I could think of right now.

Edit: Je Je, Payta je is another one

Edited by ExtraHye, 01 February 2005 - 03:00 PM.

[Armen]

Edit:  Je Je, Payta je is another one

Extra, it is more like "dzi, dzi" than "je, je", no?

[ExtraHye]

Extra, it is more like "dzi, dzi" than "je, je", no? 

Right

[Harut]

but just off top of my head...

"dahukner", "... kanach, kanach batsatum, vazvzum em, trchkotum..." (the name? something about "napastak"), "jan im gndak, im gndak", "pison, pison mlavan, Tavriz@ toghets, paxav Van" (), etc...

[nairi]

I'm looking forward Harut!

Ames, "pisiki gangat@" is a poem by Hovhannes Tumanian, and I'm not so sure how mankakan it is...

[Arpa]

-Ay napastak im sirun.
-Kaqavi Erg, Andzrev ekav shaghalen both by Toumanian/Komitas
-Dzit@ tsarin tslvlum e
-Kghand Papa

Pison, pison mlavan
Tavriz toghets, pakhav Van,
Lezun tatkhan, erkar poch,
Inch vor uzets asin voch.

Pison gnats goghegogh,
Por@ dadark, sirt@ dogh,
Dunch@ meknets kovkitin,
Sherepn ijav jakatin.

Toumanian

[koko]

i mean what is childrens songs...There many songs that are made specially for children, but generally they are just simple songs that chidlren sing usually in armenian schools.
like

the "hingalla" song 'hovive sarom tkhrets siro yerkge nvagets'...

aragil

ajbem kin i yerke

[Azat]

as a kid I use to sing "Ara vay vay" does that count? What about "Ainpes uzum em anunt grel, kes gisherayin avazi vra..." No?

How about
Lenin papin manuk e yeghel
mer nman pstik &ir yev sirunik
brnele e titer
(pardon my french) vor@ chop koxel
u bats e toghel...

Sorry I am feeling stuped.

[nairi]

There many songs that are made specially for children

This is what I'm talking about. "Hin gala" is not for (young) children.

Arpa Papa, only 4???

[ExtraHye]

I'm looking forward Harut!

Ames, "pisiki gangat@" is a poem by Hovhannes Tumanian, and I'm not so sure how mankakan it is...

Guess that was one of the songs that the teachers converted into songs like Harut said. My teacher used to sing it to us all the time. Ahhhh, the good old days

[Arpa]

We did not sing this, rather recited, but it could be sung to the tune of Twinkle Twinkle.
Mknik, mknik, char mknik
Kerar panirn u hatsik
Kerar shaqarn el aghvor
Eghar shat, shat hantsavor.

Pakhir, pakhir du mknik,
Inch ketser es, al heriq,
Hima k'uga mer pisik
Qez k'ane pzzik, pzzik.

======
Arev, arev ekur,
Eres@d mez tsuyts dur,
Sev amper@ heranan
U mezi el janpa tan.
=======
Who remembers the rest of this ditty?
I guess this is how Ter Totik taught the Ayb Ben Gim.

Ayb@ ereq matik uni,
Ben@ kakhvats tatik uni,
Gim@ dziu sandzi pes e
Da-n ktrvats tandzi pes e...

[nairi]

Arev, arev ekur,
Eres@d mez tsuyts dur,
Sev amper@ heranan
U mezi el janpa tan.

I'm guessing this is the WA version EA goes:

Arev, arev yek yek
Zizi qarin ver yek
Sev sev amper heratseq
Arevin tchampa tveq.

[Arpa]

Klorik, klorik shaqar hats,
Porik@s anoti mnats,
Ertam nayim patuhanen
Anushik hayrik@s ur mnats.
===
Jim, jim matnotsik
Sev aqlor@ mortetsinq,
Yeghov meghrov patetsinq,
Tonirin tak@ pahetsinq.

The above are not really songs in the strictest sense even though many mothers will make up tunes and sing them.
These are rather show and tell, acting rhymes. Specially the first one where the cupped hands are held up and rotated as if rotating a ball, the child will imitate. When saying porik@s the hand is rubbed aginst the stomach in a rotating manner, when saying nayim the hands are held over the eye as if peeking, and when saying ur the hand once again is rotated in a questioning motion. Is that where the Armenian question mark takes its shape?

The second is also a game where the hands are placed down with the palms down and the fingers spread, and while saying jim jim the fingers are pinched (jimjik). The ditty goes furhter where the rooster is revived and flies away PRRR, and the hands are spread out imitating flight.

Edited by Arpa, 01 February 2005 - 06:28 PM.

[nairi]

Arpa, I've never heard these... I guess my brother is right when he says West Armenians have produced more children songs/rhymes than East Armenians...

[MosJan]

My brother keeps claiming that East Armenians only have a handful of children songs. This is why, he says, we mostly grew up with Yerevan-Yerebuni, Sardarapat and Zeytuntsiner. He recalls my parents looking for children songs in Armenia in the early 80s and hardly finding any. After a long search, my uncle finally came back with Ara Kekejian's compilation for children. A West Armenian.

Is this really true? What mankakan yerger do we have besides "tsapik tsapik tsirani" and "dnko-ko"?

NOt true

Lenin PApikn e Manuk e yeghel ...