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Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:04 AM

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WHAT’S IN A NAME???

Below a feature article by Katarikian. The author ends it with a dilemma, scratching his head so to speak. He also wonders why some agencies, ministries, embassies et al have amended the name of their sites while others still go by that russo-furkish name. A question I have asked on numerous occasions. Also note that after all that the author still uses "NK" in his headline.

This subject has been debated to the ground, at times very heated , almost to the point of insults and accusations.
Note that the Title of this Subject topic used to be k*&%$#@, which, after some of us vehemently objected, pursuant to Proud’s post below it was eventually amended to ARTSAKH.

A few of many posts about the subject….

Posted 10 June 2002 - 08:46 PM
Mosjan
The mane of this forum is Karabagh - but The name of this Armenian reg. is Artsax

Do we use teh name Artsax or Karabachos


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Posted 21 February 2004 - 07:06 AM
Proud Expat-
Guys is it possible for us to change the name of this section to Artsakh rather than Karabagh?
Karabagh is a Turkish name. 
Artsakh is the Armenian one. 

What do you guys think?

I can't stand when I'm talking about this land and Armenians call it Karabagh rather than Artsakh.



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This is when a new member registered with a screen name of k***%&#, who did not understand the uproar below, kept on arguing that not only a lot of people use it and that the demonstrators in Yerevan shouted the slogan “k%&^$(*) -@ mern e“ etc. At which point I brought up the phrase “ What‘s in a Name?” I.e , since those others call our Homeland “ermenistan“, Yerevan-Iriwan, Shushi-shusha, Stepanakert-khankenti and more shall we also?.
The mods eventually changed his nickname.
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Posted 19 September 2003 - 07:04 PM

By Arpa
kar-a-b….??

Whoah!!!

Wait a minute!!!
What kind of (nick)name is that?
Before we say anything we must first know if you are Armenian.
With a name like that?
Have you not heard that that is Turkish?
Whatever happened to Artsakh??





http://hetq.am/en/politics/artsakh-96/

WHAT’S IN A NAME?

2010/10/14 | 12:35
Nagorno Karabakh society politics
Hrant Katarikyan

NKR is Out; Republic of Artsakh is In
I periodically visit the sites of the NKR President and Foreign Ministry to check on official news coming from Stepanakert.
This morning, while reading the site of President Bako Sahakyan, my eyes caught something new.
He was no longer described as the President of the NKR (Nagorno Karabakh Republic), but the President of the Artsakh Republic. Surprisingly, when I checked the Foreign Ministry’s site, the old appellation was still being used, i.e. NKR.
I never liked the NKR moniker and had recently been using RMK (Republic of Mountainous Karabakh) instead. The NKR struck me as a Soviet holdover that didn’t do justice to present realities. Furthermore, the “Nagorno Karabakh Republic” wasn’t the most appropriate name to use for international media purposes; people overseas would need to look up the word “nagorno”.
To get more background on the matter I looked up the constitution for the country.
Under “Chapter I: The Foundations of Constitutional Order”, I found the following:
Article I; Point 2 – The Nagorno Karabakh Republic and Artsakh Republic designations are the same.
The NKR Supreme Council (the parliament) that was formed on December 28, 1991 adopted a Declaration of Independence fixing both the results of the referendum and succession of legal documents implementing the right of the people of Nagorno Karabagh on self-determination of its political status.
This Declaration on State Independence, dated January 6, 1992, uses the term Nagorno Karabakh Republic (NKR).
In its English translation, the recently released two volume “Armenian National Atlas” portrays the country as the RNK – Republic of Nagorno Karabakh; keeping the Russian term for “mountainous”.
Recently, the 5th Pan-Armenian Forum of Journalists and Mass Media took place in Stepanakert. It appears that the Artsakh government wants to improve the dissemination of news regarding developments in the country to the outside world.
Journalists and reporters from Armenia and the diaspora attended the forum. Perhaps they should have raised this issue of uniformity with the authorities in Stepanakert and the government’s public relations and press agencies.
The Republic of Artsakh wants to be competitive in the “propaganda war” with Azerbaijan. This is laudable.
Perhaps it would behoove them to start closer to home, in Armenia. The majority of TV stations still avoid showing a map of Artsakh that conforms to the one mentioned in the Artsakh Constitution; i.e the former Nagorno-Karabakh Autnomous Region and “liberated” territories.
Let’s hope the new “Republic of Artsakh” version becomes the accepted norm.
Now we’ll have two RoA’s – the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Artsakh.
I just have to come up with a convenient way of differentiating the two in translations.
Any suggestions?

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The cliche "What's in a Name" is attributed to Shakespeare. Did he mean that no matter what name The Country would still "smell the same"?;

"Juliet:
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2)
Romeo Montague and Juliet Capulet meet and fall in love in Shakespeare's lyrical tale of "star-cross'd" lovers. They are doomed from the start as members of two warring families. Here Juliet tells Romeo that a name is an artificial and meaningless convention, and that she loves the person who is called "Montague", not the Montague name and not the Montague family. Romeo, out of his passion for Juliet, rejects his family name and vows, as Juliet asks, to "deny (his) father" and instead be "new baptized" as Juliet's lover. This one short line encapsulates the central struggle and tragedy of the play.


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Posted 15 October 2010 - 04:13 PM

WHAT ON EARYH IS GOING ON HERE?

I am so tempted to post this under Comedistan….
Mi hev onli van eer, mi no unstand wan pipul spik vid split tong.

Note below where it says that Spepanakert was never known as khankenti, yet it goes on referring to ARTSAKH as ԼՂՀ- Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետոթիւն.

Am I so dumb? Am I the only stupid one here?
Read on and see how that ՄԽ whoever they may be, speaks with a forked tongue, when on the one hand they claim that Stepanakert was never known as khankenti, yet goes on … .
When did “օկուպացիա/occupatsia/, տէրմինա/ termina, նորմալ/normal, իմիտացիա/imitatiaon, բուֆեր/buffer … become Armenian “derminolokia”? Does adding «ացիա/ation» to a word make it Armenian? Is "imitatsia" more Armenian than "imitation"?
Can we speak with ONE TONGUE?

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See highlights below. What did I miss?
Why do some take us the Western Armenian Diasporans for idiots when we use Armenian terms for “normal“, “occupation“, ”buffer“ etc.?
Is it because our teacher of Armenian is Varuzhan the Lovable , not Ivan the Terrible?
http://www.azg.am/AM/2010101603
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Տեղադրվել է` 2010-10-16 00:00:04 (GMT +04:00)
ԱՐՑԱԽԻ ՄԱՅՐԱՔԱՂԱՔԸ ԵՐԲԵՔ ԽԱՆՔԵՆԴԻ ՉԻ ԿՈՉՎԵԼ
Oh Yeah!! When did Shushi become called "shusha"?
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[quote]ԱՐՑԱԽԻ ՄԱՅՐԱՔԱՂԱՔԸ ԵՐԲԵՔ ԽԱՆՔԵՆԴԻ ՉԻ ԿՈՉՎԵԼ
Մ. Խ.
Մտահոգություններ ԵԱՀԿ Մինսկի խմբի համանախագահների հայտարարության առիթով
Մտահոգություններ ԵԱՀԿ Մինսկի խմբի համանախագահների հայտարարության առիթով
ԵԱՀԿ Մինսկի խմբի վերջին հայտարարության վերաբերյալ երեկ քաղաքական ուժերից ՀՅԴ-ի եւ «Ժառանգության» ներկայացուցիչներն են անհանգստություն հայտնել: ՀՅԴ Հայ դատի գրասենյակի ներկայացուցիչ Կիրո Մանոյանը մտահոգիչ է համարում «Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի շուրջը օկուպացված տարածքներ» ձեւակերպումը: Նա անհանգստացնող է համարել նաեւ ԼՂՀ մայրաքաղաքը «Ստեփանակերտ/ Խանքենդի» կոչելը` արդեն երկրորդ հայտարարությունն է, Ստեփանակերտին զուգահեռ այդպիսի անուն է օգտագործվում: ՀՅԴ ներկայացուցիչը ենթադրում է, որ դաշտային առաքելության իրական նպատակը հայկական վերահսկողության տարածքներ ադրբեջանցի փախստականների վերադարձն է, մինչդեռ ոչ մի խոսք չկա հայ փախստականներին իրենց նախկին բնակավայրեր վերադարձնելու մասին: Ըստ «Ժառանգություն» խմբակցության ղեկավար Ստյոպա Սաֆարյանի ` դաշտային առաքելությամբ բանակցային գործընթացում իրավիճակ է փոխվում: Նա համարում է, որ ՄԱԿ-ի Գլխավոր ասամբլեայի նիստից Ադրբեջանի բանաձեւը հետ կանչելու պատասխանն է եղել դաշտային առաքելությունը: Իսկ առաքելությունն ամփոփող պատրաստվելիք ԵԱՀԿ ներքին զեկույցը, ըստ Ս. Սաֆարյանի, Ադրբեջանն անպայման կօգտագործի ՄԱԿ-ում կամ ԵԱՀԿ-ում: Նա եւս անթույլատրելի համարեց համանախագահների վերջին հայտարարության «Ստեփանակերտ/Խանքենդի» ձեւակերպումը` դա անվանելով մեր դիվանագիտական պարտություն: Ըստ Սաֆարյանի` բանակցային գործընթացը վտանգված է. «Իրավիճակի նոր շունչ է զգացվում, փորձ է արվում իմիտացիա ստեղծել, թե ամեն ինչ համաձայնեցված է, մնում է միայն իրականացնել համաձայնությունները»: Ըստ նրա` փոխվել է նաեւ ՆԱՏՕ-ի խորհրդարանական վեհաժողովի տերմինաբանությունն` ի վնաս Հայաստանի եւ Ղարաբաղի, որտեղ վերջին զեկույցում խոսք է գնացել, որ եթե նոր պատերազմ լինի, Հայաստանի միջամտության դեպքում կարող է հարված հասցվել մեր ատոմակայանին: Մի խոսքով` Ս. Սաֆարյանն այդ ամենին դիմակա` առաջարկում է իր կուսակցության համադարմանը` ԼՂՀ ճանաչումը, պարզ է, «Ժառանգության» օրինագծով:
Մտահոգություններ ունի նաեւ ԼՂՀ նախագահի խորհրդական Դավիթ Բաբայանը . ըստ նրա` «Ստեփանակերտ/Խանքենդի» բառակապակցությունը ճիշտ չէ, որովհետեւ Արցախի մայրաքաղաքը երբեք Խանքենդի չի կոչվել: Դա Ադրբեջանի հակաօրինական որոշումն է եղել, որով նա սկսել է վերանվանել Արցախի բոլոր բնակավայրերն ու շրջանները: Ըստ Բաբայանի` այդպիսի բառակապակցության օգտագործումն արդեն բացասական իմպուլս ունի իր մեջ բանակցային գործընթացի համար: Իսկ «գրավյալ» անվանված տարածքների վերաբերյալ Դ. Բաբայանն ասել է, որ այդ տարածքները Ղարաբաղում չեն համարում այսօր ոչ օկուպացված, ոչ բուֆերային, ոչ ազատագրված: Դրանք ԼՂՀ տարածքներն են` ամրագրված երկրի սահմանադրությամբ: Մինչդեռ ՀՀԿ-ական Արտակ Զաքարյանն առաջարկում է ԵԱՀԿ Մինսկի խմբի հայտարարությանը նորմալ վերաբերվել` ընդամենը առաքելության ընթացք է ներկայացվել, քանի որ Մինսկի խումբը կարգավորման ողջ ընթացքում միջնորդական առաքելությունը փորձում է հավասարակշռության մեջ պահել, բանակցությունները շարունակվում են, միջնորդներն էլ ստիպված են օգտագործել որոշ պայմանական ձեւակերպումներ` մինչեւ ԼՂՀ ինքնորոշման իրավունքի լիարժեք իրացումն ու անկախ պետականության կարգավիճակի միջազգային ճանաչումը: Նա հույս է հայտնել, որ ԵԱՀԿ Մինսկի խումբն, ի դեմս համանախագահների, իր որդեգրած սկզբունքը (բնակավայրերի կրկնակի անունների օգտագործումը) կտարածի նաեւ Ադրբեջանի օկուպացրած ղարաբաղյան տարածքների ապագա դիտարկումների վերաբերյալ ապագա հայտարարություններում:[/quote]

Edited by Arpa, 15 October 2010 - 04:25 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2010 - 10:48 AM

WHAT ON EARYH IS GOING ON HERE?

I am so tempted to post this under Comedistan….
Mi hev onli van eer, mi no unstand wan pipul spik vid split tong.

Note below where it says that Spepanakert was never known as khankenti, yet it goes on referring to ARTSAKH as ԼՂՀ- Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետոթիւն.

Am I so dumb? Am I the only stupid one here?
Read on and see how that ՄԽ whoever they may be, speaks with a forked tongue, when on the one hand they claim that Stepanakert was never known as khankenti, yet goes on … .
When did “օկուպացիա/occupatsia/, տէրմինա/ termina, նորմալ/normal, իմիտացիա/imitatiaon, բուֆեր/buffer … become Armenian “derminolokia”? Does adding «ացիա/ation» to a word make it Armenian? Is "imitatsia" more Armenian than "imitation"?
Can we speak with ONE TONGUE?

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See highlights below. What did I miss?
Why do some take us the Western Armenian Diasporans for idiots when we use Armenian terms for “normal“, “occupation“, ”buffer“ etc.?
Is it because our teacher of Armenian is Varuzhan the Lovable , not Ivan the Terrible?
http://www.azg.am/AM/2010101603
;յան կարգավիճակի միջազգային ճանաչումը: Նա հույս է հայտնել, որ ԵԱՀԿ Մինսկի խումբն, ի դեմս համանախագահների, իր որդեգրած սկզբունքը (բնակավայրերի կրկնակի անունների օգտագործումը) կտարածի նաեւ Ադրբեջանի օկուպացրած ղարաբաղյան տարածքների ապագա դիտարկումների վերաբերյալ ապագա հայտարարություններում:


Soon, not only will all terms be strictly foreign, they will be spelled in the Latin script as well, and our children will utter privet or what's-up instead of ԲԱՐԻ ԼՈՒՅՍ right out of kindergarten.

Edited by Zartonk, 16 October 2010 - 10:50 AM.


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Posted 09 September 2011 - 12:02 PM

HIGH TIME TO RENAME NKR ARTSAKH

Aysor.am
Thursday,September 08

There are two Armenian states - the Armnian Republic which is 30 000
square km and the Nagorno Karabakh Republic 12 000 square km. Very
often the NKR is being presented as Authoritarian Region of Nagorno
Karabakh by the Media which is violates the Constitution of the NKR,
said Grigor Beglarian during the meeting with the journalists today.

According to him presenting NKR as Authoritarian Region of Nagorno
Karabakh they not only distort the reality but also violate the
legal act.

The cartographer reminded that the geodesic-cartographic center has
published a national atlas in 2000 where the NKR territory is marked.

Grigor Beglarian stressed that it is high time to rename Nagorno
Karabakh into Artsakh.

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 12:46 PM

HIGH TIME TO RENAME NKR ARTSAKH

Aysor.am
Thursday,September 08

There are two Armenian states - the Armnian Republic which is 30 000
square km and the Nagorno Karabakh Republic 12 000 square km. Very
often the NKR is being presented as Authoritarian Region of Nagorno
Karabakh by the Media which is violates the Constitution of the NKR,
said Grigor Beglarian during the meeting with the journalists today.

According to him presenting NKR as Authoritarian Region of Nagorno
Karabakh they not only distort the reality but also violate the
legal act.

The cartographer reminded that the geodesic-cartographic center has
published a national atlas in 2000 where the NKR territory is marked.

Grigor Beglarian stressed that it is high time to rename Nagorno
Karabakh into Artsakh.

Some people don't listen or they have an otic and ocular handicap. How many times have we said that the name of that Independant Armenian State is not nagorno-kakorno-kara-kaka %&^$ poopoo!!! Yet, our own media uses that disgusting name a million times in one post and shyly suggests "ARTSAKH.
We should totsally boycott, not read or respond to any srticles and news, be they by our own, third parties or even the so called Emabassy of NKR in Washington until and unless they CLEAN UP THEIR LANGUAGE.

First off that damn furko-russky name is not an "authoritarian" but "autonomous".
Look above and see how many times our friend used that blasted furko-russky name except in the headline and way at the bottom as Artsakh.
WHERE IS THE LANGUAGE POLICE? :angry:
I have said this before. You will not see mention of Artsakh in the Hanragiatarn unless you know that it is listed under ԼՂԻՄ/LGHIM, Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Ինքնավար Մարզ/Lernayin gharabaghi Inqnavar marz.
Of course, after so many years we are still assuming that mos-cow and bokhu are the capitals of Armenia.
Look at this news item and read the emblem;

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Yerevan citizens dislike law on language
15:34 • 07.09.11

The amendments to Armenia's laws that came into force on July 17 specified some functions of Armenia's Language Inspection. The amendments mostly deal with billboards.

At his Sept. 7 meeting with journalist Sergo Yeritsyan, acting chairman of the Language Inspection, said that the amendments have resolved the problem.

This year, the Language Commission has registered 60 violations of the Law on Language in Yerevan, with 21 of them involving billboards. "However, economic entities can rectified the errors before we go to law," Yeritsyan said.

Most of the violations are registered in Yerevan. In Armenia's regions banks are mostly violating the law.

The fines for violating the Law on Language have been raised from AMD 50,000-75,000 up to an amount equal to 300 minimum monthly wages.

Advertising must only be in literary Armenian, Yeritsyan said.


Edited by Arpa, 09 September 2011 - 01:26 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 12:00 PM

Arpa your wish has been granted  :ap: NKR has been renamed  to Artsax :)


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 05:10 PM

Artsakh Votes for New Constitution, Officially Renames the Republic

By Weekly Staff on February 21, 2017

NKR Renamed ‘Artsakh Republic’ as it Adopts New Constitution, Moves to a Fully-Presidential System of Government

STEPANAKERT, Artsakh— Following the constitutional referendum in the Nagorno-Karabagh Republic (NKR/Artsakh) on Feb. 20, the NKR Central Electoral Commission (CEC) announced on Feb. 21 that according to preliminary results 87.6% (69,540 votes) of citizens voted in favor of the proposed constitutional amendments, while 9.7% (7,686 votes) of votes were cast against. Invalid votes constituted about 2.8% (2,202 votes) of the total vote.

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An NKR serviceman votes in the referendum (Photo: Photolure)

The NKR CEC added that 76.44% of eligible voters participated in the referendum.

The new constitution changes the official name of the Nagorno-Karabagh Republic to the “Artsakh Republic” and will change the system of the country’s governance from a semi-presidential to fully-presidential system. Artsakh will no longer have a Prime Minister and the President will appoint government ministers.

“The new Constitution is to continue the traditions of state building enshrined in the first constitution, further strengthen the sovereignty of the country, and promote human rights and the rule of law, to improve public administration, enroot the independent judiciary and reform the local self-government,” read the statement issued by the NKR Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA).

The NKR MFA also stated that the referendum shows that the people of Artsakh are able to “exercise their right in order to determine their own future, as enshrined in fundamental international documents.”

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According to the NKR Central Electoral Commission, 76.44% of eligible voters participated in yesterday’s constitutional referendum. (Infographic: NKR Central Electoral Commission)

Observation missions to the referendum, which comprised of over 104 international organizations from more than 30 countries, 103 local observers, and over 80 media representatives, held a press conference on Feb. 21 in the hall of the Press Center of the NKR Referendum Central Commission.

During the press conference, representatives of the mission presented an evaluation of the election process and discussed its political significance. The press conference was joined by members of the European Parliament, the National Assembly of the Republic of Armenia, European Friends of Armenia, and the European Armenian Federation for Justice and Democracy (EAFJD), as well as delegation representatives from Bolivia, Russia, Germany, Austria, Uruguay, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, the Basque Country, the United States, and Canada.

“The observers highly valued the Referendum as another evidence of consolidation of statehood, expression of free will of Artsakh and a process of democratization,” read the press release issued by the NKR CEC.

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The European Armenian Federation for Justice and Democracy (EAFJD) led election observation delegation meet with Artsakh President Bako Sahakyan and his delegation (Photo: Office of the NKR President)

Members of the European Parliament Frank Engel, Eleni Theocharous and Jaromir Stetina also issued a joint statement on the referendum, which stated that the people of Artsakh want to actively play a role in shaping their democracy. The statement also praised citizens for upholding and protecting the rule of law and the rights of the people.

“A people, a population, a nation who believe in their state and refine their republican institutions should not be ignored by the international community,” read part of the statement. “The people of Artsakh, a nation under constant threat of military attack by an aggressive neighbor, continue to oppose democratic vitality and maturity to the international denial of their state.”

According to Azerbaijan-based reports, countries such as Pakistan, Latvia, Norway, Iran, Georgia, and Turkey joined Azerbaijan in rejecting the referendum, labelling it as an illegal vote.

Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry’s Official Representative Hikmet Hajiyev also told RIA Novosti that the Azerbaijani government will add all the foreign observers to their country’s blacklist.

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Former Canadian parliamentarian, the Hon. Jim Karygiannis with the speaker of Artsakh’s parliament Ashot Ghoulyan, during his visit to observe the republic’s constitutional referendum (Photo: ANCC)

On Feb. 21, Artsakh President Bako Sahakyan received members of the delegations from the U.S., Russia, Canada, Germany, Argentina,and Uruguay consisting of parliamentarians, diplomats, political figures, representatives of scientific-research circles and civil society, as well as journalists, who were in Artsakh as observers.

“The Head of the State highlighted the importance of the observation mission carried out by foreign delegations from the viewpoints of consistent development of democratic institutions in our republic, presenting objective information about Artsakh in various countries and cementing bilateral relations,” read a statement released by the Central Information Department of the Office of the Artsakh Republic President.

Last week, the Co-Chairs of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Minsk Group released a statement that said that they would not accept the results of the Feb. 20 referendum “as affecting the legal status of Nagorno-Karabagh.” “The Co-Chairs also stress that the results in no way prejudge the final status of Nagorno-Karabagh or the outcome of the ongoing negotiations to bring a lasting and peaceful settlement to the Nagorno-Karabagh conflict,” read a part of the statement.






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