Jump to content


- - - - -

-= ARMENIAN DUDUK =-


  • Please log in to reply
42 replies to this topic

#21 Guest__*

Guest__*
  • Guests

Posted 07 January 2001 - 10:23 PM

I want to know if the difference between a student model duduk and a professional one is as critical as the difference between reeds of different qualities.

I have a duduk (the ones sold at arp music, I do not know who made it) and have noted a great difference depending on the reed.

#22 Guest__*

Guest__*
  • Guests

Posted 08 January 2001 - 05:26 PM

Their is a huge difference between this Affordable duduks and Pro duduks

#1 the wood .
it is Apricot but, Master Karlen and Ruben are only using the middle part of the tree ,
if the Wood Lag is 25" wide and 20" long, Master Karlen will only use the Center of the wood, And he will only make 1 or 2 duduks, Master Ruben Will make 4 to 6 Duduks
The Affordable duduks - the same apricot lag will be used to make up to 25 - 30 duduks .

#2 This instruments are made my some amateur ,who has no idea on haw to tune this instruments and haw to make a duduk in different keys.

#3 The reeds on this instruments are not made for individual duduks, it's generic reeds , again made by a amateur.
After MKS or RR have made the duduks #2 step is to make the reed for this individual instrument, it will be tuned my the master , and adjusted to gave you the maximum performance.

This Student or beginner or Affordable instruments are sold all over the internet us a Professional instruments
If you ask me haw good are this instruments , my honest opinion is , not really
if you like a duduk , and if your rely serious , get your self a good duduk made by the PRO.
i recommend you to get Master Karlen MKS or Rubens RR instruments , yes it's more money , but it's not a toy .

The bottom line is $25 duduk is not going to do anything for you , it's only a Affordable Souvenir !!!!
This are the same Duduks that you can find all over the Internet under "Professional Duduks"
This are the same instruments that are sold everywhere alls for $50.0 to $100.00 and claming that it has been hand picked by a professional in Armenia  
I consider this instruments to be Affordable Souvenir Duduks 
This instruments are very affordable, and ideal if you like to have a Souvenir Duduk at home  

If you need a Duduk , and if your Serious on learning and playing duduks !!! you don't need this instruments !!!
What you need a Professional duduk  And i will Guaranty you that it will help your learning process
They are prosaic instruments and have fingering charts ,each duduk and the reed are tuned by the master  
The Sky is the Limit wan you have High Quality Duduks and Reeds 
No more confusion, no more guessing what key is your duduk, no more wondering ( is it me or is it the duduk )if your duduk was sold for $25.0 to $40 IT IS YOUR DUDUK
Movses



[This message has been edited by MosJan (edited January 08, 2001).]

#23 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,253 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 19 June 2001 - 02:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Hovig:
Hello all,

This is my first message in this discussion. I want to begin studying how to play duduk, but I don't know where to start . I live in Toronto, Canada, and I'm not sure if there are even any teachers here. I need some guidance. Thanks,

Hovig


Hovig stop by at My duduk web page i have some new duduk info . see if this might help you ..


www.DudukOnLine.com

#24 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,253 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 13 December 2001 - 10:59 AM

-= Duduk Instruction Video Vol. 1 =- Available NOW At www.DudukOnLine.com
Posted Image

-= Duduk Instruction Video Vol. 1 =-
Improve your techniques while Developing your own style.


- Instructions and Introduction -
Duduk Video Vol. 1
VHS - 45 minutes - NTSC
Learn The Art Of Armenian Duduk Playing
Easy & Quick Course of Armenian Duduk lessons

Beginners to Professionals will benefit from this informative instructional video, that can be referred to again and again.

Hosted By
Albert Vardanyan And Shea A.J. Comfort

detailed instructions - handling to maintenance,
hand positions, playing tactics, Songs, tuning the duduk and the Reeds, haw to play, haw to practice, and much much more.





www.DudukOnLine.com

#25 Harut

Harut

    Վերնագիր

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,734 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:հորիզոն...
  • Interests:uninterested...

Posted 13 December 2001 - 03:49 PM

yes karnei ksovorei, bayts akhr shat anslukh em.

#26 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,253 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 13 December 2001 - 04:37 PM

HArout jan mi hat portsy ports@ portsanq chi ap heto menq kasenq te sluxov e te voch

#27 Boghos

Boghos

    -= Mr Nobility =-

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,755 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Europe
  • Interests:literature, cinema, chess, history

Posted 14 December 2001 - 05:32 AM

Mos Jan,

Do you know of any Armenian duduk master lost in Brazil ?

#28 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,253 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 14 December 2001 - 09:59 AM

Boghos do you need a master who play's duduk or do you need a master who makes duduk ?
i do not know any one in Brazil, but i will keep it in mind, just in case i get some info I'll let you know.
you have some of the best wood that can be used for duduk in brazil, Brazilian rosewood, i have one that has been made for Vache Hovsepyan in 1972, the sound is totally different, it has something different, like it adds totally different dimension to our traditional Armenian duduk.
Boghos Saro Danyelyan is next to you, in Argentina. he is one of the best Duduk players.

MOvses

#29 SAS

SAS

    -= Nobility =-

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 656 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Moscow

Posted 14 December 2001 - 11:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Harut:
yes karnei ksovorei, bayts akhr shat anslukh em.


Harut,

pzdik vaxt@d xo glxid chen zarge, ap jan, or s@luxd korcrel es?

#30 Boghos

Boghos

    -= Mr Nobility =-

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,755 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Europe
  • Interests:literature, cinema, chess, history

Posted 15 December 2001 - 12:55 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MosJan:
Boghos do you need a master who play's duduk or do you need a master who makes duduk ?
i do not know any one in Brazil, but i will keep it in mind, just in case i get some info I'll let you know.
you have some of the best wood that can be used for duduk in brazil, Brazilian rosewood, i have one that has been made for Vache Hovsepyan in 1972, the sound is totally different, it has something different, like it adds totally different dimension to our traditional Armenian duduk.
Boghos Saro Danyelyan is next to you, in Argentina. he is one of the best Duduk players.

MOvses


Saro Danyelian, good Lord, I didn't know...
Actually I need btha nw pro duduk and a teacher .
Thanks, Movses.

#31 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,253 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 14 December 2001 - 03:55 PM

Boghos jan if you need a Pro-Duduk no problem. i have the best duduks MKS or SAM, if you like one, e-mail me or send me a PM.

MOvses

#32 Harut

Harut

    Վերնագիր

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,734 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:հորիզոն...
  • Interests:uninterested...

Posted 14 December 2001 - 06:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SAS:


Harut,

pzdik vaxt@d xo glxid chen zarge, ap jan, or s@luxd korcrel es?





glxus che zargel, bayts gluxs shat em paterun zargel.

#33 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,253 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 07 July 2002 - 03:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Boghos:
quote:
Originally posted by MosJan:
Boghos do you need a master who play's duduk or do you need a master who makes duduk ?
i do not know any one in Brazil, but i will keep it in mind, just in case i get some info I'll let you know.
you have some of the best wood that can be used for duduk in brazil, Brazilian rosewood, i have one that has been made for Vache Hovsepyan in 1972, the sound is totally different, it has something different, like it adds totally different dimension to our traditional Armenian duduk.
Boghos Saro Danyelyan is next to you, in Argentina. he is one of the best Duduk players.

MOvses

Saro Danyelian, good Lord, I didn't know...
Actually I need btha nw pro duduk and a teacher <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">.
Thanks, Movses.

Boghos jan good friend of mine Daryl Finley is moving to BRAZIL this year - his a good jazz artist and a good Duduk player - if you like i will lat you know when has in Brazil

MOvses

#34 Arpa

Arpa

    Veteran

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,011 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Culture

Posted 15 November 2006 - 03:59 PM

http://www.calendarl...y?coll=cl-music
MUSIC
It's enough to make you cry
The duduk, with its mournful tones, is a rising Hollywood star.
By Litty Mathew
Special to The Times

October 5, 2006

If red is the color of passion and chocolate the food of love, then the duduk has surreptitiously become the sound of sadness. Most of us can't name the instrument, but we've heard it so often that if we were paying attention, it might almost border on cliché. Almost.

The duduk (pronounced doo-dook), is an ancient instrument from the Caucasus that looks a bit like a recorder. No longer than a forearm and with a range of just an octave, it sounds like a voice crying or wind howling across a mountaintop, its tone fleshy and pulpy, deep and haunting. Anyone who has watched a tear-jerker has probably heard the duduk's mournful echoes. Peter Gabriel's score in "The Last Temptation of Christ" introduced us to it almost 20 years ago — music on which Djivan Gasparian, the duduk's best-known ambassador, played.

FOR THE RECORD:
Duduk player: An article about the duduk in the Oct. 5 Calendar Weekend said Djivan Gasparian had played the instrument on the soundtrack to the film "The Last Temptation of Christ." The duduk soloist in that film was Vatche Hovsepian. —


Like a Hollywood star, the instrument then took a sabbatical, showing up only in an occasional film or a pilot that never made it. In the last 10 years, however, it has made a very steady showing and is now an expected guest at all the right parties.

Its evocative sound surfaces again Friday night when the new season of Sci Fi Channel's "Battlestar Galactica" begins, featuring a soundtrack adorned with what its composer, Bear McCreary, calls "a simple wooden pipe [that] emotes generations of sadness." A duduk solo, with text sung in Armenian, is featured in a McCreary song that follows the first episode's main title Friday.

The duduk's rising star owes a debt to the half-million Armenians that call Los Angeles home. This large Armenian community — the largest in the world outside of Armenia — has provided a steady base of musicians, teachers, instrument makers and, not least of all, fans that helped the duduk transition from ethnic enclave to mainstream culture.

On a trip to Los Angeles to visit his two daughters and their families — as well as to record the scores for "Syriana" and "The Da Vinci Code" — Gasparian, now 76, still seemed surprised by his fame as a master of a once-obscure instrument. "Many years ago, a Russian journalist asked me if I had made the duduk famous or if the duduk had made me famous," Gasparian says. "I still don't have an answer."

How and why did a simple shepherd's flute move from an ethnic curiosity to a staple in the Hollywood composer's arsenal? "I don't think there's anything that sounds as close to the human voice, and there's nothing as compelling to the human ear as the human voice," explains Jon Ehrlich, whose credits include now-defunct TV shows "Invasion" and "The Agency," and who composed a piece for the duduk for his own wedding.

It's a great dramatic tool for composers, Ehrlich points out. "With the duduk, you're pointing to a moment you want to keep alive, making a static moment breathe and be alive," he says.

"Battlestar Galactica" composer McCreary attributes the duduk's rise to "a current trend in films and television to branch away from the traditional orchestral score, which opens the door for unusual instruments and non-Western musical influences."

His roots led him to the instrument. "I first introduced the sound of the duduk mainly as background color in my orchestration, simply as a way to represent my Armenian heritage," says McCreary, who first heard the duduk while researching and writing an opera based on his grandmother's exodus from Turkey after the 1915 Armenian genocide. "I was instantly struck by the haunting, vocal quality.

"However, as the scoring process for 'Galactica' went on, I found it more useful than I had originally imagined, and the producers responded to the intimacy and power of the sound. It was not long before a mournful duduk wailed over the main title."

Although the show last season saw some changes, the duduk remained. "Set against the heavy percussion in the 'Battlestar Galactica' score, the duduk has an even more powerful impact," McCreary says. "During the most dramatic scenes, a melodic instrument will always resonate more with viewers."There is the danger, of course, of going to the well too often. "It seems like composers are getting tired of the duduk or at least they're afraid it will get overused," says Chris Bleth, Gasparian's first American student and a professional duduk player who has worked with Ehrlich and McCreary. "I get asked, 'What's like the duduk but isn't?' "

Yet the duduk's sound is so ephemeral it has yet to be synthesized successfully.

"The depth of perception — the stirring mournfulness that comes from so many years of suffering — at some level we can all relate to that," says Pedro Eustache, a woodwind musician and ethnic instrument disciple who played the duduk in scores for "The Passion of the Christ" and "Munich," among others. But, he adds, "I will not let movies define the duduk. The duduk is the antidote to desensitization."

"It's slowly become part of the musical landscape," Ehrlich says of the instrument. "That's staying power."


The duduk's musical résumé

'Battlestar Galactica': Third season begins at 9 p.m. Friday on the Sci Fi Channel.

To hear samples from the "Battlestar Galactica" soundtrack and learn what composer Bear McCreary says about the instrument, visit his blog at www.bearmccreary.com.

Past movie scores: "The Crow," "Dead Man Walking," "Gladiator," "Hidalgo," "The Hulk," "The Passion of the Christ," "Munich" and "Syriana."

In concert: The Yuval Ron Ensemble, featuring duduk player Yeghish Manukyan, performs at 11:15 a.m. Oct. 19 at the Santa Monica College Conert Hall, 1900 Pico Blvd., Santa Monica. Free. www.smchillel.org. Also: 8 p.m. Oct. 28 at the Chapel of the Sacred Heart, Loyola Marymount University, 1 LMU Drive, L.A. $15 in advance; $20 at door; free to LMU students/faculty. (818) 505-1355
If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at latimes.com/archives.

Copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times

#35 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,253 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 15 November 2006 - 07:11 PM

FOR THE RECORD:
Duduk player: An article about the duduk in the Oct. 5 Calendar Weekend said Djivan Gasparian had played the instrument on the soundtrack to the film "The Last Temptation of Christ." The duduk soloist in that film was Vatche Hovsepian. —


Finely At Last some one has got it !!!
yes it was VAche not Jivan

#36 Johannes

Johannes

    Յովհաննէս

  • Nobility
  • 2,911 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Alép, Syrie

Posted 16 November 2006 - 05:40 AM

Ծիրանի փող
Երբ հայ դուդուկահարները գնացել են Մոսկվա առաջի անգամ, ռուսերն ուզել են գիտենալ այս նուագարանի անունը, հայերն ասել են ծիրանի փող, նրանք չեն հասկացել, եւ այդ գործիքն անուանել են դուդկա, որի հայկական տարբերակն է դուդուկ: Այս տեղեկութիւնը հեռուստացոյցից մի դուդուկահար պատմեց:

#37 MosJan

MosJan

    Էլի ԼաՎա

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 31,253 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:My Little Armenia

Posted 16 November 2006 - 12:19 PM

amen patmatsy mi havata / amen mek @mi tesaki batsatrutyun uni wink.gif

#38 Jenovah

Jenovah

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 1 posts

Posted 28 November 2006 - 12:55 PM

Hi, I'm new to this forum. I just bought a duduk but I'm having a real hard time playing it.
I feel like I have to put way too much pressure to get sound out, also I cant get the high notes
soft, I feel like I should be able to control the softness, but I either get a hard sound or no sound at all...

My duduk is in key of C and was (suposedly) made by Samvel Grigoryant.

#39 vava

vava

    :yawn:

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,234 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Canada

Posted 04 December 2006 - 03:06 PM

Mosjan is the duduk pro around here.

Is your reed wet enough? How about the collar (could it be too tight, or too loose)? Controlling the "softness" as you say, takes practice and patience - your reed, the instrument itself and your embouchure have to all be working together in order to retain control. Duduk.com has some "learn to play duduk" DVDs that are very helpful.

#40 Arpa

Arpa

    Veteran

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,011 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Culture

Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:44 AM

MosJan, this is for you. smile.gif apricot.gif
Do you know him?
Look below. He bought a furkish duduk? huh.gif

QUOTE
AMERICAN LEARN PLAYING ARMENIAN DUDUK

A1+
[01:50 pm] 26 August, 2008

37-year-old musician John is known in the world as JHNO-the inventor of
electronic music. He has been in Armenia since March of 2008. During
an interview with A1+ he said he had come to learn playing duduk
(Armenian national pipe).

"I first heard the tones of duduk in Martin Scorsese's film "Passion
of the Christ" which immediately appealed to me," tells the musician.

Although the music is performed by Armenian duduk-player Vache
Hovsepian John wasn't keen on Armenian duduks at first.

"I bought a duduk from an organisation importing duduks from every
corner of the world. But it was not an Armenian duduk, it was a
Turkish one."

At first the musician couldn't play the instrument. As he says
it is rather difficult to master the skills. "Duduk is a unique
instrument. Though in comparison with a piano duduk is very small and
has only a few holes it makes wonderful sounds", says the American
musician who has played the piano since the age of 4.

Then he moved to France and bought an Armenian duduk from an Armenian
prominent duduk-player Ara Papikian. "He gave me lessons and taught me
to breathe correctly using lungs and stomach. But even after taking
lessons from a professional the American was unable to "subdue"
the instrument.

"I finally realized that I must get acquainted with the homeland
of duduk and breathe Armenian air and drink Armenian water to play
the instrument.

During his visit to Armenia John went to Yerevan, Etchmiadzin,
Dilijan, Vanadzor and Teghut. He says he is warmly welcomed
everywhere. Armenians get surprised seeing a foreigner playing "Dle
Yaman" so well.







0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users