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#61 karnoug


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Posted 25 June 2007 - 07:13 AM

QUOTE(Shahan Araradian @ Jun 25 2007, 03:18 AM) View Post
I see. Յստակ չէիր գրութեանդ մէջ: Շնոր. բացատրութեանդ համար:
Yes. In terms of cooking and raising the kids... But not in terms of violence towards them as a cultural phenomenon!
Ես ալ չէի ուզէր տունին մէջ ապրող սպասուհի ունենալ (բացի եթէ շատ գեղեցիկ է՝ անշուշտ... naughty.gif ): Բայց այդ մէկը անձնական որոշում է...

Ի՞նչ է կարծիքդ «robot» ունենալու տունին մէջ, ինչպէս այս մէկը: Կարծեմ թէ $120,000ի կը ծախուիկոր եւ ապագային փոքր ինքնաշարժի գինով պիտի ծախուի եւ «անձնական ծառայ»ի ոեւէ գործերը պիտի կատարէ:

you guys are funny...what a different scope of subjects!

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 09:30 AM

zamalchi!!! zhenshina!!!

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 03:49 PM

yeah well..... ALLAH OU AKBAR YA HA&*&^^*U&*&*..... kezi.!!!!!!!!

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE(Edward @ Jun 25 2007, 01:35 AM) View Post

read the post by Arpa again, if this is your referance then I would say you missread and missunderstood

No it wasn't on this thread. I never misunderstand! tongue.gif

Ed, it was on a different thread. I meant to say it was on this Forum; but not on this particular thread.

If memory serves me right it was either on Armenia's or Artsax's thread.

Edited by Anahid Takouhi, 26 June 2007 - 03:48 PM.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 05:26 PM

If I'm not mistaken this is the thread you guys are talking about. smile.gif

QUOTE(Yervant1 @ Dec 21 2006, 02:37 PM) View Post
By Gayane Abrahamian in Yerevan and Gavar

[12:17 pm] 20 December, 2006

Thousands of women endure beatings, lacking the means to protect

Almost half of Armenia's women have suffered domestic abuse, say
researchers, yet this disturbing problem is being hushed up because
of traditional attitudes.

"Armenian women suffer violence, but they are afraid and keep silent,
as they don't believe that anything can be done about it," said
Consuelo Vidal, United Nations resident coordinator in Armenia at
the launch of a 16-day programme Campaign Against Gender Violence
that continues until December 16.

For 13 years, Hasmik Hakobian has been married to a man from a
traditional Armenian family in the town of Gavar around 100 kilometres
from Yerevan.

She was just nineteen when her father married her off to a young man,
whom she'd only ever seen from the window of her house.

"I have a black eye permanently so the neighbours have long stopped
asking me what the matter is," said Hasmik. "Happiness for me means
not being beaten and blood not gushing from my nose."

Hasmik said she was beaten for the first time three days after her
wedding, and since then she has lost count of the number of times
she has suffered abuse.

"I was pregnant then,' she recalled. "I was baking bread. I don't
know what my mother-in-law had told my husband, but he was mad with
rage when he rushed into the bakery. He snatched the rolling pin
from my hands and hit me on the back and head with it. I came round
in hospital, having already delivered the baby."

Hasmik decided to leave her husband, but her father refused to take
her back home, saying that wives were always beaten by their husbands
and advising her to put up with it and raise her child.

Ethnographer and sociologist Mihran Galstian said that traditional
denigrating attitudes towards women in Armenia has made such violence
possible. Armenian folk proverbs actively encourage beating by
promoting the idea that "a woman is like wool - the more you beat it,
the softer it becomes" or "a woman is made to cry".

Officials and parliamentarians also refuse to acknowledge there is
a problem.

For example, Armen Ashotian, a member of parliament from the governing
Republican Party, said, "Domestic violence is not a feature of our
families. I think that people who want to raise this problem are really
not bothered by the issue but just want to get new grants. They are
lowering the image of Armenia for the sake of their own pockets.

"There are occasionally cases of it, but domestic violence is not on
a big scale in our society. They shouldn't present Armenia as some
kind of African tribe, where people eat one another."

Data collected suggests otherwise. In 2004-2005, the Sociometer Centre
for Independent Sociological Studies conducted a poll of 1200 women
in Yerevan and eight towns and eight villages. Forty six per cent
said they were exposed to violence in their family, a quarter in the
presence of their children.

"Our officials refuse to admit that violence does exist in Armenian
families and that serious measures need to be taken to fight it," said
Susanna Vardanian, director of the Women's Rights Centre in Yerevan.

"Moreover, they accuse others of destroying our traditionally strong
families in order to get grants."

"Unfortunately, many see the abuse of women as normal.

The belief that violence is an integral part of married life originates
in early childhood: first a girl is beaten by her brother, then by
her husband, and she comes to think that that's the way it should be,"
said Adibek Aharonian, director of the Sociometer centre.

According to Sociometer, 45 per cent of the women suffering abuse
in their families keep quiet about their problem. Only 0.3 per cent
resort to divorce, and no more than 0.4 per cent contact the police.

Vardanian said women had no faith in the police to protect them and
they were afraid of the consequences, "After the police leave, [a
victim] may be subjected to still greater violence, as it's shameful
to wash your family's dirty linen in public."

Gulnara Martirosian (not her real name) now lives in an old people's
home in Yerevan, although she is only 45. Her 25 years of married
life were an endless series of fights not only with her husband,
but also with his mother and brother.

"Anyone who felt like it could beat me," she told IWPR. "If something
was wrong in the house, I was the one who got the blame. They pounced
on me and beat me - all together. Once I tried to defend myself,
I grabbed a chair and hit my husband over the head with it."

This incident, which happened in 2002, cost Gulnara her sight.

"I hit him and darted out of the house, but there was nowhere to run
- my parents are dead, I have no relatives, and I sought refuge in
my neighbour's house," she went on. "My husband came for me there,
and when he saw me, he splashed acid in my eyes. I remember my face
burning, the pain was so bad I lost consciousness. I was taken to
Yerevan and operated on there, but my sight never returned."

No one from the family comes to see Gulnara and she says her children
have been told that she is dead.

"I couldn't stand up for my rights, as I had no money, no relatives to
run around the courts for me. That's how my life has passed," she said.

Since the Centre for Women Rights opened seven years ago,
more than 10,000 women, including over four thousand victims of
domestic violence, have called its hotline, asking for help. Another
organisation, the Motherhood Foundation, has been open for four years
and has dealt with 3,000 women, who said they were exposed to abuse.

"These are rather high figures for Armenia, considering that women
suffering violence tend to seek help from their relatives and friends,
and only those in a hopeless situation turn to organisations like
ours," said Anna Badalian, a psychologist at the foundation.

IWPR randomly polled ten women in Yerevan on the street. Four of them
said they had been beaten by their husbands more than once. And there
was a clear difference in outlook between the generations.

"If couples divorced because of beatings and abuse, there would be
no families left in Armenia," said accountant Satik Kintoian, 78.

"I remember my grandfather saying that a man, when choosing a wife
for himself, should beat her first, and if she cowered in the corner,
that meant she would make a good wife, and if she ran away, then
she wouldn't.

"I was beaten and loved too. They say the more he beats you, the more
he'll love you. I have no regrets about my life. I'm not saying that
a wife should be beaten every day, but when she crosses the line,
she should have a beating."

Zaruhi Minasian, a 26-year-old translator, takes a different view. She
said she has never been subjected to physical abuse but she has
experienced psychological pressure.

"I have no respect for men who want to prove themselves by taking it
out against women," she said.

"That only proves that these men are weak."

Gayane Abrahamian is a correspondent for Armenianow.com.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 05:32 PM

QUOTE(Yervant1 @ Jun 26 2007, 07:26 PM) View Post
If I'm not mistaken this is the thread you guys are talking about. smile.gif

Yes Yervant jan; Thank you and I was going to display or refer this here to them; but there was another thread as well that mentioned that 60% of women were being abused in ROA. I don't remember who put it out there but I read it and I've been looking now for a while and I can't seem to find it.

Well Yervant, the one you just displayed is also giving a lot of numbers.

Edited by Anahid Takouhi, 26 June 2007 - 05:35 PM.

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