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#1 ara baliozian

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Posted 29 June 2001 - 09:38 AM

SPECULATION
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If we make the safe assumption that no one in his right mind would declare a war in order to lose it, we must also agree that when the Arabs declared war against the Jews shortly after World War II, they had every intention to win it; and one reason they entertained no doubt on that subject is that they were sure the Jews, unlike the Arabs (with their glorious imperial past and alliance with the Almighty Allah) were born losers –a bunch of Shylocks, Fagins, and skeletal survivors of Nazi concentration camps.
As for killer-Jews, like Cain (who slew Abel) David (who slew Goliath) and Samson (who slew Philistines with the jawbone of an ass) they were, literally as well as metaphorically, ancient history.
I doubt very much if there was a single Arab in 1948 who said: "Gentlemen, let us not underestimate these Jews."
And I suspect what drives the Palestinians to irrational extremes today is not their resentment of Jewish military victories but their rage with their own colossal blunder.

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Posted 29 June 2001 - 01:36 PM

Dear Ara,

This was one of the most lucid short pieces I have ever read on the subject. Simple yet to the point, I think a characteristic mark of Ara Baliozian.

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Posted 30 June 2001 - 02:05 AM

Ara, it seems that everytime you get together something intelligent to say, to make amends you have to put together something of total rubbish like this offering!

Lets rename the "culture forum" the "Ara`s soapbox forum" because it is getting to the stage that whenever I see the word culture I reach for the delete button.

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Originally posted by ara baliozian:
[QB]SPECULATION
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If we make the safe assumption that no one in his right mind would declare a war in order to lose it, we must also agree that when the Arabs declared war against the Jews shortly after World War II, they had every intention to win it;



Start to understand more of history, Ara. Countries often declare war because they are put in untainable positions politically, morally, or ideologically. Considerations of defeat or victory have little or nothing to do with their decisions.

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and one reason they entertained no doubt on that subject is that they were sure the Jews, unlike the Arabs (with their glorious imperial past and alliance with the Almighty Allah) were born losers –a bunch of Shylocks, Fagins, and skeletal survivors of Nazi concentration camps.



You seem to want to attack one set of racist views held (according to you - and you alone I think) by Arabs by dishing out your own load of anti-arab racisim.

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As for killer-Jews, like Cain (who slew Abel) David (who slew Goliath) and Samson (who slew Philistines with the jawbone of an ass) they were, literally as well as metaphorically, ancient history.


There is no such thing as "metaphorical ancient history" Ara! The above persons are architypal characters, common to all cultures and specific to none.

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I doubt very much if there was a single Arab in 1948 who said: "Gentlemen, let us not underestimate these Jews."



So you personally asked everyone involved, have you?

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And I suspect what drives the Palestinians to irrational extremes today is not their resentment of Jewish military victories but their rage with their own colossal blunder.




What irrational extremes are you refering to? The desire to be like any other country perhaps?

Steve

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Posted 02 July 2001 - 04:40 PM

I received this recently - some of it is a bit of a distortion, but it is mostly all true.

Steve


Did you know that, now, Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion
of the refugee population in the world?

Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each
year, from the American tax dollars?

Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?

Did you know that over 600 Palestinians have been killed within a nine month period? 76% were shot with live ammunition to the heads and upper body?

Did you know that of this figure 34% were under the age of 18? An incomprehensible figure of 110 children have been
killed?

Did you know that the children shot to death had nothing to do with protests or throwing stones?

Did you know that 45 Palestinian students were killed on their way home from school?

Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds the aid the US grants
to the whole African continent?

Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays two American public
relations firms to promote Israel in America?

Did you know that the second most powerful lobby in the United States,
according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders, is
the Israeli AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee)?

Did you know that four prime ministers of Israel (Begin, Shamir, Rabin, and Sharon) have taken part in either bomb attacks on civilians, massacres of civilians, or forced expulsions of civilians from their
villages?

Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the "living stones" of Christianity because they are the direct
descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ?

Did you know that Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

Did you know that Jerusalem, both East and West, is considered by the entire world community, including the United States, to be occupied territory and NOT part of Israel?

Did you know that Israel currently occupies territories of three sovereign nations (Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine)
in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?

Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews and
the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinian Christians and
Muslims in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is
given to about 400 settlers, while 15% must be divided among Hebron's 120,000
Palestinians.

Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons?

Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that
refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars
international inspections from its sites?

Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely sent assassins into
other countries to kill its political enemies?

Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense
Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were
executed?

Did you know that IDF's web site is hosted by AT&T?

Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have
acknowledged executing prisoners of war?

Did you know that 41 schools have been closed and unable to operate
affected over 20,0000 students?
Did you know that There has been damage to over 2700 buildings, 700
homes (180 completely demolished), 29 Mosques, 12 Churches, and 44 Water
Wells?

Did you know that over 25,000 olive and fruit trees have been uprooted,
along with over 3,000 acres of land bulldozed?

Did you know that daily losses of income have been estimated at over $12
Million a day?

Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party Molodet
- which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied territories?

Did you know that Israel's settlement-building increased in the eight
years since Oslo?

Did you know that Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who attacked a civilian bus and killed several people?

We often hear of Ehud Barak's generosity about an alleged return of 95%
of the Palestinian Occupied Territories. When
Palestinians refused, they were blamed for "missing an opportunity."
Did you know that the Palestinians have already accepted Israel's
existence on 78% of what was Palestine?

WELL, NOW YOU DO! WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT IT!? THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS
LET OTHERS KNOW




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